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Offline alan

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #195 on: January 23, 2015, 01:16:16 PM »
Both secondaries can be seen as each others primary. But, doesn't the 2nd secondary see the magnetic field of the primary in addition to the one of other secondary, cancelling the charge separation?  This confuses me.

I'm planning to use an old stand alone  cd player with audio input for signal,  to power  the coil via speaker output, should I watch out for something?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #196 on: January 23, 2015, 01:23:25 PM »
Both secondaries can be seen as each others primary. But, doesn't the 2nd secondary see the magnetic field of the primary in addition to the one of other secondary, cancelling the charge separation?  This confuses me.

I'm planning to use an old stand alone  cd player with audio input for signal,  to power  the coil via speaker output, should I watch out for something?


@Alan,

Yes Sir, this takes some understanding like I have said! It's not easy to grasp! It takes a little time!

This is why it is So important to Experiment! Feel the device and feel what it likes and doesn't like!

Don't allow it to be Choked Off! This is the biggest problem!

To answer your question: Loose Coupling! This is why its important! Also, one will re-in-force the Primary, one will oppose!

Give it a try, it should do at least something!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #197 on: January 23, 2015, 02:09:15 PM »
@EMJunkie:

I have enough material cluttering my house to try your partnered coil idea. Thinking about a test set up some question come to my mind.


core:


1) Is it better to use a simple Ferrite rod (e.g. 6 mm diameter, length 60 mm) or rather a core from a TV fly back transformer? I also have various transformer cores (consisting of two parts, like two U-shapes or two E-shapes)? Or a steel core (steel bolt or softer nail)?


number of turns for the windings (see attached drawing taken from your Video):


2) Is the number of turns specified in the attached drawing reasonable? (If not, please suggest a useful number of turns.)


placement of the input coil (green wire in the attached drawing):


3) Is the primary (green) wound over just one of the partnered coils or over both?

4) The partnered coils are wound directly over the core and the primary is wound on top?


input signal:


5) In your video you seem to have some sort of square wave as input (to the green coil = primary). Could it alternatively be a sine wave signal from an audio amplifier?

6) Is it better to use a square wave signal or a sine wave signal (pure AC) as input?


frequency of the input signal:


7) The frequency of the input signal must some how depend on the core material. In your tests, in what frequency range was the input signal (e.g. 50 Hz to 30.000 Hz)? Must the frequency of the input cycle be varied to find an optimum output?

8: If it was a square wave signal, is a 50% duty cycle o.k., or should the duty cycle be varied to find an optimum output?


what to do with the output:

9) The partnered output coils are connected in series as in the attached drawing?

10) Is it o.k. to shorten the partnered coils (which are connected in series) with a shunt (e.g. 1 Ohm or 10 Ohm or 100 Ohm) in order to measure output with a scope probe over the shunt?


Chris, you could copy and paste my questions and just add a short comment to each (most of them need only a Yes or No or a few words). I know it is a lot to ask, sorry.

Greetings, Conrad

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Offline hanon

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #198 on: January 23, 2015, 03:35:25 PM »
Both secondaries can be seen as each others primary. But, doesn't the 2nd secondary see the magnetic field of the primary in addition to the one of other secondary, cancelling the charge separation?  This confuses me.


Exactly this is my main concern. I wrote post #32 with a totally simetrical setup which could get rid of that problem. That setup was based on Clemente Figuera patents.

I guess that by now just want us to test the simpler device and avoid going into modifications without testing the basic scheme.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #199 on: January 23, 2015, 05:43:54 PM »
I had it ready from other project and I intent to change it with E and I laminations connected the way Jensen describes. Also Jensen uses a feedback coil connected as Meyer's one, but with no diode.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #200 on: January 23, 2015, 05:57:02 PM »
Hi folks, Hi jeg, my primary inducer is on the right, it is two 24awg. magnet wires, wired in parallel (aka bifilar), there is at least 100 turns per wire.
Each partnered secondary coil has around 200 turns of 24awg. magnet wire.
Thanks for your continued help chris/emjunkie, i think i am starting to comprehend this more.
One of the partnered coils is like sticking two permanent magnets in attraction mode, reinforcing primary, due to what's induced in the other partnered coil.

My flip flop circuit, ac type input, is only drawing no load, 50 milliamps with this 24awg. input coil setup at 3.7 volt input and with double that voltage 7.4 volts, the no load input only climbs to 60 milliamps.
So i think the duty cycle isn't high enough, it may be being choked off as you are saying.
I'll have to think about what to change to get more through put and still maintain good frequency, maybe a flip flop with capacitors as you've shown.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #201 on: January 23, 2015, 07:22:12 PM »
Thanks sky watcher :)
Today I made a more proper testing on this device. First of all yesterday when I first tried it, a horrible ringing noise from yoke side, was making system behaving very unstable. Today for some unexplained reason this noise stopped and I managed  to see some things that I describe to the testing video that I will attach later on. At the output i take only voltage and no current at all. The waveform that you will see is about 1Kv pk-pk!!! Only voltage! I wonder how we can turn it in a useful energy. I will try to tune the output with the appropriate capacitor to see if any current will appear at the output! Indeed the output gives a clear voltage as Floyd describes...

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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« Reply #203 on: January 23, 2015, 08:26:21 PM »
Hi Guys, I just want to ask you.  The primary should be above one half of the partner coil ,right? The question is - does it makes any difference which way is the primary wound (same or opposite to the coil below)??  In mine setup I have  the primary in the same direction.  One more question- is it transformer ratio sensitive?  I mean for example if you go over some ratio like 1:10 will it kill the effect?

In my setup I have small bulb on my partnered coil to establish current flow. I have no light on it. I have measured more than 0.5A in that loop and from the battery it takes around 0.4A.  On the central tap I have high voltage and if I connect there a bulb 220V 25W with right  length of the wire on the other side of the bulb (to match impedance)  I have a light. But that small bulb (12V) on the partnered loop shows absolutely nothing. Why?

I have it as a air core and feed is from SG + mosfet IRFP460 and battery 24V.

Jeg:  Have you tried also to make a gap between the yoke's halfs (with some paper)? ;)

 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #204 on: January 23, 2015, 08:54:30 PM »
Hi John
Nice idea for experimentation. Your bulb doesn't light because there is no current inside the partner loop. Pure voltage only. Can you try a cap between your bulb and your output coil ends? I have no time today to test it but looks logical. 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #205 on: January 23, 2015, 08:59:08 PM »
Keep rereading the pdf, it will increase your understanding, at least for me.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #206 on: January 23, 2015, 09:12:34 PM »
Hi folks, Hi jeg, try putting your blue primary coil in between the partner coils, not on top of them and see what you get.
That is how mine is essentially and since you are using DC pulsing, you might see output and a lowering of current when loaded, maybe, at least that's what mine does.
Then again, mine is driven with a trigger wire, so that is different to yours.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #207 on: January 23, 2015, 09:15:45 PM »
@EMJunkie:

I have enough material cluttering my house to try your partnered coil idea. Thinking about a test set up some question come to my mind.


core:


1) Is it better to use a simple Ferrite rod (e.g. 6 mm diameter, length 60 mm) or rather a core from a TV fly back transformer? I also have various transformer cores (consisting of two parts, like two U-shapes or two E-shapes)? Or a steel core (steel bolt or softer nail)?

No limits really! I prefer to use a Closed Core, E.G: C Cores but that just my preference for this type device.



number of turns for the windings (see attached drawing taken from your Video):


Yes good start! 40-60 AWG 32 or around there for input, 200 or so turns of AWG 18-22 or so on the output. Approx!

This may change depending on the core. Coercivitity and all those things...

2) Is the number of turns specified in the attached drawing reasonable? (If not, please suggest a useful number of turns.)

Again yes good to start around here.


placement of the input coil (green wire in the attached drawing):


It can be anywhere you like, I have drawn like this to show, that, its best to couple to one coil more than the other.

3) Is the primary (green) wound over just one of the partnered coils or over both?

same as above, above, underneath or to one side of the coil. Try to fine the best results for you.

4) The partnered coils are wound directly over the core and the primary is wound on top?

again, same as above...


input signal:


Input? Sine or square!

5) In your video you seem to have some sort of square wave as input (to the green coil = primary). Could it alternatively be a sine wave signal from an audio amplifier?

yes, drive as you wish.

6) Is it better to use a square wave signal or a sine wave signal (pure AC) as input?

I like a sine wave for this configuration. But any will start you off.


frequency of the input signal:


You need to find the best frequency. Most of my devices have been good at around 50Hz to 5KHz but my friends runs at 33KHz

7) The frequency of the input signal must some how depend on the core material. In your tests, in what frequency range was the input signal (e.g. 50 Hz to 30.000 Hz)? Must the frequency of the input cycle be varied to find an optimum output?

see above

8: If it was a square wave signal, is a 50% duty cycle o.k., or should the duty cycle be varied to find an optimum output?

yes start with 50% dc then work from there. 50% dc will likely be the best for many devices


what to do with the output:


Resistive Loads! Always! Stay away from all others for the moment! Wire wound Resistors can be problematic also!

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9) The partnered output coils are connected in series as in the attached drawing?

yes, you can change later if you wish. Aim to get going first!

10) Is it o.k. to shorten the partnered coils (which are connected in series) with a shunt (e.g. 1 Ohm or 10 Ohm or 100 Ohm) in order to measure output with a scope probe over the shunt?

do what you wish.


Chris, you could copy and paste my questions and just add a short comment to each (most of them need only a Yes or No or a few words). I know it is a lot to ask, sorry.

Ok?

Greetings, Conrad

Happy to see you're back with us Conrad!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #208 on: January 23, 2015, 09:20:32 PM »
Exactly this is my main concern. I wrote post #32 with a totally simetrical setup which could get rid of that problem. That setup was based on Clemente Figuera patents.

I guess that by now just want us to test the simpler device and avoid going into modifications without testing the basic scheme.

Regards

Hey Hanon,

Yes youre right, this is something to keep an eye on!

I have really tried to give the absolute most basic inception of this Technology! It can be improved!

I really don't recommend to go improving it until an understanding on how it works first.

Really important to just understand it first!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #209 on: January 23, 2015, 09:50:22 PM »
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These two are not the same, only one should be considered at all, when you know what you are looking at, the one you want sticks out like a sore thumb.  The other should be discarded because it has absolutely no relation to that which is desired.  In my opinion and experience the idea which is being expressed is that we want to reproduce the conditions found between turns, between coils. 

I have read all you offer Chris, lots of good info.  Like you I'm not interested in the measurements, more in whats happening and why.  My work in this are has led me to conclude that we have two types of magnetic interactions.  Namely the interactions found between turns, and the interactions which take place outside the turns.  You want folks to see what you see, good luck with that, folks have to be able to see it for themselves.  All have been exposed to this from the beginning, hell generator action itself is repeating this condition, and yet, all are oblivious to its significance, its deeper meaning.  Anyway, keep doing what you're doing, if one listens, really listens and gets what you are saying you were successful. 

Things get really exiting when you change your perspective, you find hope in a hopeless situation. 


Regards

@Erfinder and ALL

Yes Sir! This man knows what he is talking about!

What a breath of Fresh Air!

Yes, there is a "Preferred" configuration! Its in 3D, in all my animations. The other should be dropped because it is not really the same. Although it can show results, its not the same!

Agreed, Magnetic Interactions, there are two at least!

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You want folks to see what you see, good luck with that, folks have to be able to see it for themselves.

I really want the world to become what it should be, not what its been limited to! Human Species can do SO much better than where we are at the moment!

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All have been exposed to this from the beginning, hell generator action itself is repeating this condition, and yet, all are oblivious to its significance, its deeper meaning.

Exactly! The poll is showing some good results so far. Some really like the Gremlin entry  ;)

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Things get really exiting when you change your perspective, you find hope in a hopeless situation.

Yes Sir! Exciting, New Hope, a real positive future opens up where there was none before!

People must move forward and evolve of the end will be nigh.

Thank You Erfinder for Posting! I needed to see a post like this!

Kind Regards

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