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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 2074566 times)

Offline Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #120 on: January 22, 2015, 02:39:35 AM »
This guy started a thread to present his ideas.

Some people have voiced their opposition...done !

Don't belabor the point...you have voiced your opinions...move on.

Yopu were politele asked to leave his thread.

Please do so, and let people be.

If it turns out he made an error, so what ? 

Its a very cheap build...he is asking for nothing.

The general excuse for hounding people like him, is to save us gullible oafs from sending money.

As this is not the case, and there is no money involved, the gentlemanly thing to do is to leave...as you were politely asked.

The wore that can happen is that we learn from the "mistake".

The best thing that can happen, is that it works...OR...someone makes an important discovery while stumbling around in the dark.

No one here is interested in yet another 'war of the words'.

Regards...


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #120 on: January 22, 2015, 02:39:35 AM »

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #121 on: January 22, 2015, 02:40:57 AM »
However, you should learn when it is appropriate to use AC coupling and how the incorrect use of AC coupling can affect the accuracy of your measurements (particular if your waveforms are not perfectly symmetrical or contain any DC component).

@Picowatt,

And you should get to work and learn some very important Technology placed right in front of you!

Free!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #122 on: January 22, 2015, 02:45:42 AM »
This guy started a thread to present his ideas.

Some people have voiced their opposition...done !

Don't belabor the point...you have voiced your opinions...move on.

Yopu were politele asked to leave his thread.

Please do so, and let people be.

If it turns out he made an error, so what ? 

Its a very cheap build...he is asking for nothing.

The general excuse for hounding people like him, is to save us gullible oafs from sending money.

As this is not the case, and there is no money involved, the gentlemanly thing to do is to leave...as you were politely asked.

The wore that can happen is that we learn from the "mistake".

The best thing that can happen, is that it works...OR...someone makes an important discovery while stumbling around in the dark.

No one here is interested in yet another 'war of the words'.

Regards...

@Cap-Z-ro - Yes, its a terrible debate.... 5 Good pages! 3 Not so good!

@ALL - if I may suggest, I was asked to re-read "The Sea of Energy in Which The Earth Floats"

It is really good, it resonates with the last 5 years of my work! Just the first few chapters! Its excellent!

@Picowatt - I am happy if you want to stay and learn if you leave the crap out of it?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #122 on: January 22, 2015, 02:45:42 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #123 on: January 22, 2015, 02:56:19 AM »
Someone posted results, the setup is still on his bench,  let's debate that instead.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2015, 03:19:55 AM »
@Picowatt - I am happy if you want to stay and learn if you leave the crap out of it?


The proper use of a 'scope is not "crap".

Apparently it is you who does not wish to learn...

PW


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2015, 03:19:55 AM »
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #125 on: January 22, 2015, 03:22:02 AM »
Someone posted results, the setup is still on his bench,  let's debate that instead.

@Alan,

yes exactly!!!

@ALL

I am going to ask for something.

Can anyone working on this, I ask you to please keep extra-ordinary results to themselves, please  ;)

The reason will become evident later on. Most will already know the reason why!

Please describe what you're seeing, any observations and or any improvements you've made and so on. But I ask you please to keep OU Results to yourself for a while.

Just until we get the ball rolling.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #126 on: January 22, 2015, 03:38:40 AM »
Hi folks, Hi emjunkie, well just fired it up and i am using an led bulb to see if it can power things, it lights the led bulb well.
When i use a wire to short the partnered secondary coils, the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input.
My other setup did not do this when a dead short was applied across partnered coils.
So does this sound like the right behavior so far, emjunkie.
Here is a pic of it.
peace love light

@ALL,

SkyWatcher123 has done an excellent job of replicating my experiment! Start at the start, this is the perfect example!

Already SkyWatcher123 is seeing results that are fantastic!

This really is how simple it is!

Some basic Rules:
1: Check Turns Direction's, Phase on each Coil, making sure the phase's add to each other not cancel.
2: Try gapping the Core slightly after trying with no Gap first.
3: Check for any Coil Insulation issues where a short may occur.
4: Try rebuilding again with a fresh mind.
5: Check Frequency, try starting at about 400Hz and slowly move up or down!
6: Check One of the Partnered Output Coils for an Output
7: Ask for help! 

Remember there are 3 Configurations that work that I have found, but I have only covered two of them! I will cover the other configuration at a later stage.

Well Done SkyWatcher123! Nice work!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #126 on: January 22, 2015, 03:38:40 AM »
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #127 on: January 22, 2015, 04:43:12 AM »
I said that I was going to wait until some people started reporting results so I could comment but I can see that this thread is in serious trouble so I am going to make comments in order to hopefully get it on track.  I am going to be real with no gloss so please just deal with it.

Chris, if you don't show your build details, your measurement techniques, and your results, then it's highly unlikely that you are going to win over anyone so that they will be willing to replicate your project and effectively you will be killing this thread yourself.  Get your transformer out of your box, do the setup and fully document what you are doing on this thread with tabular results including all input and output waveforms and power calculations, and with one or more credible YouTube clips.  That is clearly what your your audience wants.  Your links are vague and very general and frankly in terms of helping people to do a successful replication, they suck.

Skywatcher123 is lighting an LED light bulb.  I am going to assume that it's an LED light bulb with the electronic guts still in it.  That is not the setup.  First of all, if it was an LED light bulb stripped of guts, then you should all know at this point that it's essentially impossible to measure the power going into an LED.   If the LED light bulb still has the electronic guts that are designed to convert 120 VAC into DC, then it's doubly impossible and basically nonsensical.  Skywatcher123 should take Chris's advice and get rid of the LED light bulb and start experimenting with different values of load resistor and a true-RMS multimeter.  The LED light bulb is nothing more than instant-gratification eye candy and should be completely ignored for this project.  Also, these comments from Skywatcher123, "the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input."  The input to this device is by definition an AC waveform, and from what he says in the quoted text it looks like he is talking about DC measurements.  So it would appear that something is not making sense.

TK and Picowatt are absolutely correct that you must use DC coupling on your scope.  Their knowledge and experience with with respect to electronics and power measurement far surpasses Chris' knowledge.  All of you, starting with Chris himself, would be fools to ignore their advice.

Chris's comments about keeping your results to yourself should be ignored if you have any common sense.  This is an open-source forum and that's the very reason you are here in the first place.

If there are people that intend to replicate, you actually should start talking about what you are going to do right now in this thread.  You absolutely have to be honest about your knowledge, experience, and skill level.  If you need help, don't be shy and ask for it - don't be a faker.  The most critical thing that you can talk about right now, before you even build it, is precisely how you intend to make your input and output power measurements.  That is what this entire thread is all about.  I'm pretty sure a lot of you will not know how to do it properly, and if you are lucky, people like TK and Picowatt may be willing to give you some solid advice and proper guidance.

From the way this project looks, the build itself is fairly trivial.  Therefore, this project is weighted 80% towards measurements and 20% on the build.

Like I said a few days ago, keep your eye on the ball.  Many people have posted semi-related links or alternative circuits and quite frankly that is counter-productive bullshit.  You know who you are.  Stick to the circuit as suggested by Chris and like I said, the most productive discussion that any of you can have right now before you do a build is how to do your measurements properly.

Do you guys want another RomeroUK farce?  I don't think you do.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #128 on: January 22, 2015, 05:32:03 AM »
Hi folks, thanks for the kind words emjunkie.
The primary inducer is just a joule thief (blocking oscillator) at the moment.
The non-modified led bulb was just to see if any juice was coming out.
I disconnected the led bulb and placed a direct short across partnered coils and the amp draw lowers as stated.
That is all i can say for now about the way it is setup, which is different than any joule thief with secondary i have ever played with.
Go ahead and try it, make a regular joule thief with secondary and short the secondary, the amp draw will definitely increase.
My next approach at this, will be using the simple inverter circuit with two transistors to power the primary inducer, this will give an alternating ac type input.
peace love light

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #128 on: January 22, 2015, 05:32:03 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #129 on: January 22, 2015, 06:07:58 AM »
Hi Sky and Em. I am waiting to recive my ferrite rod before i can try with the reed switch....
But until then i will try your way sky (joule thief primary) on a tv yoke. I am tinking to wind each partner secondary on is respective half of the yoke and then wound the bifilar primary over one partner coil(or one half yoke). Anyway,surely a good way to learn :)
Any advise are welcome!
Ps: sorry for the quite mesurement; im just equip with some dmm...

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #130 on: January 22, 2015, 06:22:12 AM »
Hi wist, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Just in case it's not clear, my setup as it is, is just like emjunkies original device, except for the bifilar of course.
In the image i posted, the coil on the far right is the bifilar and the coils on the left, are the partnered coils.
Just in case you were confusing this setup with my previous one using the ferrite bead cores.
peace love light

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #130 on: January 22, 2015, 06:22:12 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #131 on: January 22, 2015, 06:54:18 AM »
As TK has stated, it's not the 'scope, it's the operator.

You really should take the time to learn why your 'scope should've been DC coupled instead of arguing with and insulting those that are trying to teach you something very basic about using a 'scope.

When you do figure it out, you will realize how silly (and arrogant) you are being...

PW

Hi EMJunkie,

in the past I was also using my scope on AC coupling to measure AC circuits and DC coupling to measure DC circuits.
At one point I had an AC 90 degrees phase shift circuit which my scope was doing the Math for it and was calculating the power in to be zero or minus while I was dissipating power in a resistive load.
It took a while to find what caused this but the problem was found by .99 and it was AC coupling. I didn't want to believe it at first but once I used DC coupling all the OU calculations went away  :( ... sad but a true fact.

It was a hard lesson learned!... since I had many replicators working on the circuit which were doing the same error. So don't feel bad about learning this, as many are not aware of it.

So I'm afraid , TK, picowatt and MileHigh are all correct about this.

Kind regards

Luc

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #132 on: January 22, 2015, 07:47:40 AM »
@MileHigh,

I said that I was going to wait until some people started reporting results so I could comment but I can see that this thread is in serious trouble so I am going to make comments in order to hopefully get it on track.  I am going to be real with no gloss so please just deal with it.

Yes, some silly posts have been posted.

Chris, if you don't show your build details, your measurement techniques, and your results, then it's highly unlikely that you are going to win over anyone so that they will be willing to replicate your project and effectively you will be killing this thread yourself.  Get your transformer out of your box, do the setup and fully document what you are doing on this thread with tabular results including all input and output waveforms and power calculations, and with one or more credible YouTube clips.  That is clearly what your your audience wants.  Your links are vague and very general and frankly in terms of helping people to do a successful replication, they suck.

I have shown ALL Details regarding the Build! it cant be any simpler! Three Coils, one Core, Fit and go, drive input coil with any driver you wish to start with, H-Bridge, Power Amp, single Transistor/Fett - I have seen so many debates on Measurement Issues over the years. Debating over measurements when learning New Technology is really pointless. Learn the Technology first! Then later on, do the measurements.

That is, if one needs to! There are other proofs that I am not ready to start talking about.

Skywatcher123 is lighting an LED light bulb.  I am going to assume that it's an LED light bulb with the electronic guts still in it.  That is not the setup.  First of all, if it was an LED light bulb stripped of guts, then you should all know at this point that it's essentially impossible to measure the power going into an LED.   If the LED light bulb still has the electronic guts that are designed to convert 120 VAC into DC, then it's doubly impossible and basically nonsensical.  Skywatcher123 should take Chris's advice and get rid of the LED light bulb and start experimenting with different values of load resistor and a true-RMS multimeter.  The LED light bulb is nothing more than instant-gratification eye candy and should be completely ignored for this project.  Also, these comments from Skywatcher123, "the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input."  The input to this device is by definition an AC waveform, and from what he says in the quoted text it looks like he is talking about DC measurements.  So it would appear that something is not making sense.

Yes, I am sure SkyWatcher123 is already well aware of whats next! For someone that has just put the first experiment in this field down, he has done really well. Most everyone here surely already know by now that a Resistive load and nothing but is really important to do real testing.

SkyWatcher123 is using DC, single Fett or Transistor, driven like a Joule Thief configuration. Input is DC!

TK and Picowatt are absolutely correct that you must use DC coupling on your scope.  Their knowledge and experience with with respect to electronics and power measurement far surpasses Chris' knowledge.  All of you, starting with Chris himself, would be fools to ignore their advice.

I don't doubt for a single second that they are very switched on guys! I am very disheartened that they have come to a thread I started and started rambling about a topic that I have already decided not to discuss on this thread. Again, my measurements are not up for discussion on this thread!

If this thread WAS about the measurement of this device then I would be more than happy to discuss further their concerns.

I actually already know what they are talking about, problem is, I have already checked and it does not apply.... DC Offset = none! Change in the Wave does not occur from DC to AC like they were suggesting!

Chris's comments about keeping your results to yourself should be ignored if you have any common sense.  This is an open-source forum and that's the very reason you are here in the first place.

People are Free to do what they wish! I would like this thread to remain for Experiment only, not get tangled in debate on "Measurement" of a device that others have not even measured before and have no idea on how it works!

If people want to post their results that's fine, but I would like to get the ball rolling first before the whole thing turns to porridge like it is already starting to - for the very same reason I did not want to get into...

If there are people that intend to replicate, you actually should start talking about what you are going to do right now in this thread.  You absolutely have to be honest about your knowledge, experience, and skill level.  If you need help, don't be shy and ask for it - don't be a faker.  The most critical thing that you can talk about right now, before you even build it, is precisely how you intend to make your input and output power measurements.  That is what this entire thread is all about.  I'm pretty sure a lot of you will not know how to do it properly, and if you are lucky, people like TK and Picowatt may be willing to give you some solid advice and proper guidance.

Yes I agree - I have already made it clear, my electronics is OK, my Magnetic is much better! I don't know everything, and yes sometimes I don't get it all right. After 5 Years of work, I have something to share and I think it is really important! I am sure when others start experimenting on this Technology they will see it too!

From the way this project looks, the build itself is fairly trivial.  Therefore, this project is weighted 80% towards measurements and 20% on the build.

The Build is trivial, it really is, its easy - Understanding how and why it works is very much harder than many may imagine!

Like I said a few days ago, keep your eye on the ball.  Many people have posted semi-related links or alternative circuits and quite frankly that is counter-productive bullshit.  You know who you are.  Stick to the circuit as suggested by Chris and like I said, the most productive discussion that any of you can have right now before you do a build is how to do your measurements properly.

Do you guys want another RomeroUK farce?  I don't think you do.

MileHigh

MileHigh, I respect your post, thanks for your words of wisdom! But I am trying to do the best I can to get the technology in the minds of individuals. Without complications, with open minds to move forward. Trying to help people look in places not normally looked into. To also experiment very cheaply and Simply.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #133 on: January 22, 2015, 07:54:03 AM »
But until then i will try your way sky (joule thief primary) on a tv yoke. I am tinking to wind each partner secondary on is respective half of the yoke and then wound the bifilar primary over one partner coil(or one half yoke).

Hey Wistiti,

Please NOT Bifilar, no such thing used in these devices!!!

All Coils are Single Filament Standard Wound Coils with only one difference, One of the Secondary Coils is wound in a different direction to the first! EG: Partnered output Coils

Please check my pdf as to why we should NOT be using the term!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #134 on: January 22, 2015, 07:59:26 AM »
Hi EMJunkie,

in the past I was also using my scope on AC coupling to measure AC circuits and DC coupling to measure DC circuits.
At one point I had an AC 90 degrees phase shift circuit which my scope was doing the Math for it and was calculating the power in to be zero or minus while I was dissipating power in a resistive load.
It took a while to find what caused this but the problem was found by .99 and it was AC coupling. I didn't want to believe it at first but once I used DC coupling all the OU calculations went away  :( ... sad but a true fact.

It was a hard lesson learned!... since I had many replicators working on the circuit which were doing the same error. So don't feel bad about learning this, as many are not aware of it.

So I'm afraid , TK, picowatt and MileHigh are all correct about this.

Kind regards

Luc

@Luc,

I hear you and agree, Measurement errors can easily occur!

Again, the device works if one follows the instructions I have given! TK and Picowatt came to this thread and went about the whole thing wrong!

This thread is NOT to discuss Measurements on this device! It is only for building and Discussion of the device! I made this clear at the start of the thread, Experiments and serious discussion only!

This Technology presents MUCH more to learn than just measurements!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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