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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8730 on: April 08, 2020, 04:32:02 AM »
F=BIL is one kind as formula for the Lorentz force on  current-carrying coil

But partnered output coils are ≥1 = min 2
So we have to calculate the Lorentz force with the Biot-Savart law conditioning :

this in combination is called "Ampere force law",strictly to differ from "Ampere law"
What here is called partnered output coils,by Victor Arestov " combined double winding" are in use as same as Dr.Pavel Imris his used "capacitive band/foils windings" :

applied "Ampere force law" converter


To know this is one side from the medail,to get far from prototypes development   Alpha-stage to relyable production with compareable costs/KWh experience another !
2025 global " open source" mass production will be more realistic !
The first granted prototype was the Jorge Ferreira cap-windings motor in the portuguese INPI patent office 2009 !
No hurry !Solar cells are now also more than 100 years known and in less than 1% global  private household their use

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8731 on: April 08, 2020, 04:39:22 AM »
Thanks for the information Chris, I've been extremely busy with life things, will try out some things this week. I tried to build it based on what you recommended, 180 turn per pair 20 gauge, 22 turns  14 gauge input. COP is less then 1. Still have a lot to try. It has been so long since I messed with electronics I forgot how to do half of everything. I took 6 years off from experimenting so I could buy a fixer up house, I finally got to the point where I could pay it off and this stupid virus hit, just my luck. Will try to post more later.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8732 on: April 08, 2020, 04:45:00 AM »
F=BIL is one kind as formula for the Lorentz force on  current-carrying coil

But partnered output coils are ≥1 = min 2
So we have to calculate the Lorentz force with the Biot-Savart law conditioning :

this in combination is called "Ampere force law",strictly to differ from "Ampere law"


Thanks for sharing lancaIV!

I have tried for a long time, I cant calculate the proportionality's, I can get close by guessing some things, but always there is some fiddling.

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8733 on: April 08, 2020, 04:47:33 AM »
Thanks for the information Chris, I've been extremely busy with life things, will try out some things this week. I tried to build it based on what you recommended, 180 turn per pair 20 gauge, 22 turns  14 gauge input. COP is less then 1. Still have a lot to try. It has been so long since I messed with electronics I forgot how to do half of everything. I took 6 years off from experimenting so I could buy a fixer up house, I finally got to the point where I could pay it off and this stupid virus hit, just my luck. Will try to post more later.


Hey Drak,

Apologies, in the Images, the wire looked much smaller than 20 Gauge.

Just when you get time, no stress.

What was your COP?

The list I gave you is the best place to start for the moment. With anything, things evolve, it takes time to learn and understand, as we gain a greater understanding we can make further improvements.

Best wishes,
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8734 on: April 08, 2020, 06:00:00 AM »


I should explain further;

The Rate at which the Partnered Output Coils Interact Together is important!

Of course this Interaction, is the magnetic Fields Slapping Together very hard, or very soft, a lazy action. If the Action is lazy, then little Voltage and little Current will be available. This action can be visualised by the Actions in this Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BE9mwZQucIw


Two Waves, each having Velocity, each traveling in opposite directions, meeting at a point, and the Velocity of the Waves determines the Voltage "Generated".  ;)

This action, the Slapping together of the Waves, have a Resonant Frequency, we can reach maximum amplitude for a minimum Input, very low Internal Impedance. This is what I call the Reduced Impedance Effect.

The Interaction between these fields are what Sends Power back to your Input Power Source. The greater this Interaction, the greater the Power sent back! Of course this is all Polarity Specific! So you have to learn how to get all this right. The best way to achieve this, is, build the Transformer first, Secondary Coil, Turns X, then Input over the top, as you have done. Use the Right Hand Grip Rule to configure Input Current and Output Current, Polarity. Once this is done, Benchmark, see if you have a fairly efficient Transformer! If not - Find out why!

Once your Transformer is fairly efficient, then Add your Tertiary Coil. Make sure the polarity is Opposing your Secondary in the same way we made the Secondary Oppose the Primary. Many paths led to Rome! Lots of ways work, I have tried to give you the easiest. Once this is working, go through my list, making sure you makes steps forward all the time, documenting the circuits you have tried and what the results were.

My List again:


Several things:

   1: Input Coil Impedance is Important. Few Turns of Thick Wire Gauge, I had 22 Turns 1.6 mm.
   2: Increase your Input Voltage, shorten up your Duty Cycle.
   3: Gap the Core. Some Cores are Slugs, a gap is sometimes needed.
   4: Partnered Output Coil Impedance may be too high - Too many turns of too thin Wire Gauge. Increase the Wire Gauge on the POC.
   5: Shorten up all leads / Wires.
   6: Check you have Current being returned to the Power Supply. If not, then you need to focus on this part. There may be a Polarity problem, however your waveform is good!
   7: The Conduction between the Coils, Delaying the Conduction slightly can increase your Voltage: Current I = Voltage V / Resistance R, so look at increasing your Output Voltage. The Coils Slapping together is Important, see below image.

Lots of other little things can improve the Machine. Above are the main ones for the moment. Basic Generator Principles are mostly accurate for these machines, Wire Gauge, Cross Sectional Ares and so on!



The quote: "Little Steps for Little Feet" - Sir Richard Feynman. Floyd Sweets First VTA was reported to be 6 Watts, his last VTA, Generation Six, was over 5000 Watts. So keep expectations real! Don't let your expectations get out of the frame of reality. Aim for a few Watts initially. This is not a hard goal to achieve.

If you want to invest in a very handy little Measurement Block - Kit, these are very useful! Monitoring Current is extremely useful! Image below:

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8735 on: April 08, 2020, 08:37:55 AM »
Just as you I've been following Floyd Sweet's work.

One of my coils radiates very strongly with very little input.
I don't know what is it yet, but it is messing with electronics in vicinity.
I took advice from my friend and Nelson, not to expose myself, but only for short periods of time.
All electronic around is affected.

My bucking fields loves short bursts.

My thought is (tied to Floyd's work) :
Can clashing of fields may disrupt permanent magnet field just for a moment,
and when it comes back, can it induce current in that same coils with same power or more?

Like switching permanent magnet field with bursts of bucking fields.
Did not tried this yet, but it came to me this morning reading all of this posts.

I know you are also deep in Floyd's work, that's why I am writing this.

Can bucking fields be used to push away permanent magnet field?
Did you ever thought about this?

Looking at Floyd's designs it seems that he is using same coils for input and output,
which implies what I wrote above.
Of course, it is just thought along with the morning coffee.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8736 on: April 08, 2020, 11:23:19 AM »


@Whatisit,

It is easy to speculate on phenomena, I have done it in the past also, sometimes I still do. I have learned that speculation is very rarely helpful. Sometimes in fact it brings confusion. Confusion is difficult to deal with, its that area in between. No persons land. Much of the time confusion can send you backwards.

I try to stick with facts. Build a Map with Facts, then one can connect the Dots on the Map. This is not always easy to do! If one is able to get into this habit, then in the long run, its easier to make progress.

Identifying the Change in Current, thus the Magnetic Field, then Identifying the Coil Polarities vs the Right Hand Grip Rule, I have found this helpful.

Where ever there is Magnetic Field Change Between any Two Coils, there is individual Actions occurring.

   1: Primary Coil Power as an Action.
   2: The Secondary Coil sees the Primary Action and has its own Reaction.
   3: The Primary sees the Secondary Reaction and a Counter-Reaction occurs.


The Attached Image shows this below:

This works as a big Loop, its the Reactance, or Self Induction, BEMF, but really, the term should Back MMF. Perhaps I have over simplified this, however its an analogy.

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8737 on: April 08, 2020, 11:41:18 AM »
Mr.Sykes,do you know about what kind of international/global  "Physics"-level we discuss ?




Germany : Max-Planck Institut fuer Festkoerperphysik,Dresden for example  https://www.ifw-dresden.de/de/ifw-institute/institute-for-theoretical-solid-state-physics/

Industrial level : western world (G7) GE,SIEMENS,HITACHI R&D  laboratories


Investor investment richdome grade : chinese gouvernment,Al-Fayed,Gates Foundation,et cet. ......










This so called "overunity"-effect ( output > input, but never output > device average nominal rated capacity) is by which known mechanism possible and what this gain is ?

                            atom reactor,hydrogen reactor,fission reactor ,fusion reactor ( developments for peace )



For this the interested people has to read and study ( doing own calculations and comparisons a. theoretical then practise : experiment model/prototype ) :   


 https://overunity.com/2238/cheap-wind-farming/msg544460/#new           reply #5






For later development we can look for " coils bundle systems"                            https://contest.techbriefs.com/profile?user=29520


and look for

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931012&CC=US&NR=5252176A&KC=A

A good question of this system is how a particle such as a photon traveling at the speed of light could be further accelerated as it passed through this crystal. The answer to that question could be that the crystal accelerator provides an energy gain from its strong nuclear forces to the particles which shows up as an increase of their effective mass. Another answer is that the energy law E=Mc@2 is changed when radiant energy units are subjected to certain forces such as the nuclear forces in the crystal. The speed of light is no longer limited and it conforms to the new equation E=McX. The value of X in the crystal approaches 3.times.10@20 meters per second.




Van der Waals,Casimir double plates, TMR-effect and this then in future based by Fullerene-foils devices,super-cooled ambient

https://books.google.pt/books?id=w_xpdFx0C4MC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=speed+behaviour+nanotubes&source=bl&ots=wFRRwpFOeU&sig=ACfU3U2d8lt39pEBhoiM1jJGEfexXlpyPw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiEudyV0NjoAhWk4YUKHRZgDPAQ6AEwCXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=speed%20behaviour%20nanotubes&f=false


only as short example from hundreds of studies during the last two decades : speed/velocity in (Carbon) Nano Tubes : "magnetoresistive effect ; electroresistive effect ?"


btw :




also #5 understandings related : Ampere force law






    for AC and pulsed DC electricity      ( V x Hz) x A      or  V x ( A x Hz)   ?                " gearbox and accelerator pedal " kinematic process ?


  AMPERE TURNS  google or other search machines or classical textbooks  : speed vs velocity scalar/vector




average velocity = minimum and maximum velocity let give "average"   


   DC line / AC line                          AC up            action            AC down              reaction                        energy and heat up  ?  energy and heat/cold ? down


   AC : positive and negative current  !        pulsed DC  ; positive and negative current ?






                                                                      Pulse Power calculation and measurement



https://www.gsjournal.net/Science-Journals/Communications-Mechanics%20/%20Electrodynamics/Download/1180


1 Wh as same as 3600 Ws only valid for "pure DC x A" for other electricity kinds : WRONG !

Time and his period is a important calculation factor ! Fermi-second to Astro-Light-second : DIFFERENCE ? ::)


Often is "Time" hidden in a " physical cgs unit" : hidden for newbies !

 8) Are you all up to date : since 2019 new " Ampere" definition by international convention !


#8734 :

The quote: "Little Steps for Little Feet" - Sir Richard Feynman. Floyd Sweets First VTA was reported to be 6 Watts, his last VTA, Generation Six, was over 5000 Watts. So keep expectations real! Don't let your expectations get out of the frame of reality. Aim for a few Watts initially. This is not a hard goal to achieve.


Let us take the VTA Generation 6 : 5000 W            a. power density ? W/Kg   and what is to read by Floyd Sweet papers about the output : DC or AC or pulsed DC ?!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8738 on: April 08, 2020, 12:29:44 PM »

@Whatisit,

It is easy to speculate on phenomena, I have done it in the past also, sometimes I still do. I have learned that speculation is very rarely helpful. Sometimes in fact it brings confusion. Confusion is difficult to deal with, its that area in between. No persons land. Much of the time confusion can send you backwards.

I try to stick with facts. Build a Map with Facts, then one can connect the Dots on the Map. This is not always easy to do! If one is able to get into this habit, then in the long run, its easier to make progress.

Identifying the Change in Current, thus the Magnetic Field, then Identifying the Coil Polarities vs the Right Hand Grip Rule, I have found this helpful.

Where ever there is Magnetic Field Change Between any Two Coils, there is individual Actions occurring.

   1: Primary Coil Power as an Action. 5kW
   2: The Secondary Coil sees 5kW the Primary Action and has its own Reaction.
   3: The Primary sees the Secondary Reaction and a Counter-Reaction occurs. Output 5kW
Standard transformer action.


The Attached Image shows this below:

This works as a big Loop, its the Reactance, or Self Induction, BEMF, but really, the term should Back MMF. Perhaps I have over simplified this, however its an analogy.

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

So, you know how Floyd device operates and for you it is nothing new,
or you speculate as well?

What is it from those two?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8739 on: April 08, 2020, 10:04:58 PM »
@lancaIV

I have no response for you. I do not see what you are trying to get to. I do not understand your post. Is it a question or a statement?

Bets wishes,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8740 on: April 08, 2020, 10:14:48 PM »
Mr.Sykes,both ! Statement and question !


Have you a G.U.T. by hands ? I not !


Nice success


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« Reply #8741 on: April 08, 2020, 10:28:21 PM »
So, you know how Floyd device operates and for you it is nothing new,
or you speculate as well?

What is it from those two?


Whatisit,

From study and experiment of Floyd Sweets work, I have been able to progress beyond the Unity Boundary set by Physics.

I am not yet at Floyd Sweets 5KW level, but getting there slowly.

I used the provable facts and discarded all the non-sense, stories told, that have no basis in Science. One example, The Below Image and the following Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dz0MUv09nQ


Tell us Floyd Sweets VTA had Vibrations, lots of Noise associated with it. How do Coils make lots of Noise?

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8742 on: April 08, 2020, 10:39:06 PM »
Mr.Sykes,both ! Statement and question !


Have you a G.U.T. by hands ? I not !


Nice success


OCWL


Hi lancaIV,

Having my morning Coffee now, I should be able to reply better to questions after Coffee - Apologies.

Everyone can build a machine, its not hard, three Coils. Magnetic Field Interactions. This mirrors one half Cycle of the Electric "Generator" actions. Shaft Torque is redirected between the two Partnered Output Coils.

Bets wishes,
   Chris Sykes

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« Reply #8743 on: April 08, 2020, 10:53:39 PM »
Okay,you have not the G.U.T. ! ( Not much need in their day-by-day this theory)


The priority is to get the coffee hot,probably with milk ! And the heater electricity generating device ! And for the milk cooling fridge function !




Have a nice morning and day


OCWL




p.s.: How do coils makes a lot of noise ? :o  Is this real a question ,researcher question ? Is the format from a loudspeaker in physic strongly defined ? I think not !
                                                       
                                                     thermalacoustics
 https://www.google.com/search?q=thermalacoustics&rlz=1C1AVFC_enPT797PT797&oq=thermalacoustics&aqs=chrome..69i57.7708j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


                                                  to soundwave energy

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8744 on: April 08, 2020, 11:20:45 PM »

Whatisit,

From study and experiment of Floyd Sweets work, I have been able to progress beyond the Unity Boundary set by Physics.

I am not yet at Floyd Sweets 5KW level, but getting there slowly.

I used the provable facts and discarded all the non-sense, stories told, that have no basis in Science. One example, The Below Image and the following Video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dz0MUv09nQ


Tell us Floyd Sweets VTA had Vibrations, lots of Noise associated with it. How do Coils make lots of Noise?

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

In video of 4 sec he said no vibrations!

Are you fucking me or you are serious?

Look Chris, I know from you got materials about Floyd Sweet.
If there is interaction between magnets and coils, magnets will jump around from the power between coils and magnets.
If you look at the tape which holds magnets, it is cartoon, they don't hold anything.

Drink your morning coffee, maybe some bourbon as well.
I am still not your enemy, but the job I am doing on daily basis is to know what opponent has on mind before he even thinks of it.
I am doing that for the last 25 years.

Drink your coffee and get serious.

 

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