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Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8520 on: February 26, 2020, 06:45:25 AM »
#8511:
torus and 2 electro-magnets

Reverse engineering

ES2265253 Jose Luis Ramos Suarez
2x coaxial transformers and 2 permanent magnets


#8512 shows permanent magnetic force amplifying for rotative devices
Rotative devices have a Manko : rpm-max
Static devices have an advantage : they  can be installed in a cryo-chamber
( :o Okay,I exclude this rotative example ES2387293  ::) )

Compared : thermoelectric converter eff. 1sun output : up to 600 W per sqm = 10000 sqcm               

                      cooled the identical converter can transform up to 10W/sqcm ~ 166suns-radiation (CPTV)

How much electricity can flow through the coil a. by ambiental temperature ( + internal resistance/losses)
and b.how much with coil cooling  ?



Transforming a simple "Kern-Trafo"-transformer :
primary Imris capacitive winding
and secondary DE8903484 ( Wolfgang Hagedorn), splitted ! ;)   


Actio and Re-Actio    Infinitiv : agere
Sisto and Re-Sisto     Infinitiv : sistere
hI I'm not too sure what your describing is there any chanc yoy have a sketch of drawinbg shopwing the core layout windings or aqny core gap your using
kind regards

AG

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8520 on: February 26, 2020, 06:45:25 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8521 on: February 26, 2020, 12:12:05 PM »
Hello AG, cause I did not fixed numeric device power in or out numbers I can not give core gap distance et cet. !

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=de_EP&FT=D&date=20070201&CC=ES&NR=2265253A1&KC=A1


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=de_EP&FT=D&date=20120919&CC=ES&NR=2387293A1&KC=A1

This drastic improvement in the performance of the generator compared to conventional ones, is achieved in addition to the fact that said generator (1-2-3) is housed inside a chamber ( cooled at a very low temperature, which can reach 20 ° below zero, for which and through a conduit (9) cold air is introduced into said chamber ( according to the arrows represented in the figures, air flow generated by a fan (10) and which crosses the radiator (11) refrigerator, not shown in the figure.[/font][/size]




http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=U1&LOCALE=de_EP&NUMBER=8903484&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.2&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

here we not read about less transformer input, but material (core,coils )savings !



important scientific facts (and conditioning) ;

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.chemie.de%2Flexikon%2FDichte.html


electricity is a plasma/ ions-gas ´= temperature -dependant





beside primary or/and secondary "partnered output coils" also "partnered output magnets" up to Halbach/Ronbach-array




My first interest is " simple construction" which delivers by simple industrial production process the equipment !
The next : safety !

One question related rotative and static energy conversion :
How do we treat " thrust"                 which is not "F"= force = ma = BIL in formula language !?

Now we find the importance in EE of positive or negative scalar and vector forces arrows  !
How we calculate the power conversion -by gear/transmission- step up/step down change  ?
What compares torque - in Nm and rpm- beside Hz in a static device  ?

Richard Fradella given rotative variable speed generator with nominal 1000 RPM and 1000 W output  :


1000 RPM 1000 Watt          1x1x1

500 RPM     125 Watt           0,5x0,5x0,5

100 RPM          1 Watt          0,1x0,1x0,1        = 1/10 nominal RPM but only 1/1000 the nominal power

An hidden/unvisible " HEBEL-/LEVER"-effect ,which parameter/ physical unit = HEBELARM = canti-/lever arm  ?  8)

( Archimedes "screw" : coil turns x Ampere-turns ~ EE : Biot-Savart law )




What shows us the Kanarev " pulse power calculation"  ?  https://fbadhusha.weebly.com/uploads/3/8/9/5/3895546/ele-pulse-power.pdf

                               15000 Watt  ;)    or really 144,8 W   :o   or correct 1,4 Watt consume  8)   ?


                             
                                                   power expanded to power compact







In our daily consume we have Winrush,Wattpeak and Watt-hour : VARIABLE  !


How behaves a variable speed rotative electric MOTOR,nominal values related  ,analog the Fradella generator parameters ?

How to treat the motoric and generatoric devices as couple,also known in broadcasting as frequency converter or as rotative dc motor-ac-generator = " inverter" function !

How we have to controle the input into static devices to serve perfect the VARIABLE PRIVATE HOUSEHOLD electric consume demand  - served by the static generator output ?

cogito ergo consumer sum
Vale bene  ;)


p.s.: our electricity by grid served by :

                                    Grund-Last-,/Mittel-Last-/Spitzen-Last- ( and we pay : Ah-tarife = Wp dependant )

                                                 Kraftwerke - Verbund
= Nuclear,oil/coal/gas,water,wind,solarthermic/voltaic - combination


                                                                          Means :

private household smart-/micro-grid : 1st device : base consume ,low load

                                                                   2nd device: middle consume, medium load

                                                                   3rd device:   peak consume,heavy load
« Last Edit: February 26, 2020, 05:54:20 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8522 on: February 26, 2020, 03:26:59 PM »
Perhaps since this is Now in the Hands of OP here.
better to treat topic with "his" wishes [experiments as explained in his post]
recent disrespect for topics and experimenters here [general forum] has caused a big mess.
I am not trying to preach.. just to be reasonable. there are plenty of good experimenters who
will take interest [respectful and genuine interest]
IMO this is not a place for off topic discussions  [forum is filled with such places]

topic tittle should guide experiments---- Partnered output coils - Free energy
should be a builders board with builder/moderator IMO [Chris ??]
Respectfully Chet K PS EMJunkie quote below from hours ago.////PPS did also post note here http://www.energeticforum.com/forum/energetic-forum-discussion/renewable-energy/13112-bucking-coil-inverter/page16


Note: see post 8516 previous page for Mr. Preva and above unity active links
Will post/add later when I get back home.
Thanks to member here for mentioning links not
Opening in screenshot.



« Last Edit: February 26, 2020, 06:59:08 PM by ramset »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8523 on: February 26, 2020, 06:04:17 PM »
Im currently playing with a creation like this shown it wont work with out the pulse winding
i'm not sure if its OU though you need to experiment with the idea your self

All credit should go to Mr Delamorto as i clame no originality

http://freeenergylt.narod.ru/index/0-48
« Last Edit: February 27, 2020, 01:53:31 AM by Raycathode »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8524 on: February 27, 2020, 12:21:48 AM »
Im currently playing with a creation like this shown it wont work with out the pulse winding
i'm not sure if its OU though you need to experiment with the idea your self

Raycathode, Thank You for sharing!

This is a general post for all interested parties.

What exactly are Bucking Coils? What is the Purpose by applying this very simple technique? This is important, its important that this is thought about in the right way!

I want to quote:

Quote

CLEMENTE FIGUERA
PRINCIPLE OF THE INVENTION - Watching closely what happens in a Dynamo in motion, is that the turns of the induced circuit approaches and moves away from the magnetic centers of the inductor magnet or electromagnets, and those turns, while spinning, go through sections of the magnetic field of different power, because, while this has its maximum attraction in the center of the core of each electromagnet, this action will weaken as the induced is separated from the center of the electromagnet, to increase again, when the induced is approaching the center of another electromagnet with opposite sign to the first one.

Because we all know that the effects that are manifested when a closed circuit approaches and moves away from a magnetic center are the same as when, this circuit being still and motionless, the magnetic field is increased and reduced in intensity; since any variation , occurring in the flow traversing a circuit is producing electrical induced current .It was considered the possibility of building a machine that would work, not in the principle of movement, as do the current dynamos, but using the principle of increase and decrease, this is the variation of the power of the magnetic field, or the electrical current which produces it.

The voltage from the total current of the current dynamos is the sum of partial induced currents born in each one of the turns of the induced. Therefore it matters little to these induced currents if they were obtained by the turning of the induced, or by the variation of the magnetic flux that runs through them; but in the first case, a greater source of mechanical work than obtained electricity is required, and in the second case, the force necessary to achieve the variation of flux is so insignificant that it can be derived without any inconvenience, from the one supplied by the machine. Until the present no machine based on this principle has been applied yet to the production of large electrical currents, and which among other advantages, has suppressed any necessity for motion and therefore the force needed to produce it.


The thought processes of Clemente is important to think about, simply he is investigating Electromagnetic Induction!

Each Coil in Partnered Output Coil's is a Rotor Coil and a Stator Coil of an Electric "Generator" - Does this make sense?

Electromagnetic Induction is encouraged by an Input Coil, but the Partnered Output Coils are the Primary and Secondary Coils in what we would normally think of as a "Generator". I have been through this many time in many different places.

The Mr Preva Experiment shows some basic, elementary principles so one can learn how the Interactions between Two Coils occur at Resonance.

We can only do this together, I am one man, I can not do it for everyone!

Best wishes,
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8525 on: February 27, 2020, 06:21:14 PM »
To Chris Sykes
Did you replicated Mr Preva experiment ? Are you willing to make video thoroughly explaining all aspects of it with attention to what is required to see effect ?  Is it overunity ? Can we make it overunity ?What is the purpose of capacitor and how to find resonant point ?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8526 on: February 27, 2020, 08:07:53 PM »
That bucking thingy  ;D yeah chated to Mr Preva or one of his pals as my Russian is not too good.

i might be able to help you it wont work with DC  ;D
if you only have a few turns like in his video and less on the other side
you have to find the F they both resonate with other wise it wont work
and supose you have 6 on one side and 19 on the other I hope you have a high power
High Freq variable test Feq gen to find its res


its a bit like finding what number 17,5 and 3.9 will devide into but with no remainder  ;D 68.25

Have fun

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8527 on: February 27, 2020, 09:25:48 PM »
To Chris Sykes
Did you replicated Mr Preva experiment ? Are you willing to make video thoroughly explaining all aspects of it with attention to what is required to see effect ?  Is it overunity ? Can we make it overunity ?What is the purpose of capacitor and how to find resonant point ?

Hi Forest,

Yes I shared one of my replications here on this forum many pages back, it was at that stage I was banned. At the time other members also replicated the Mr Preva Experiment, Partzman, Itsu, they got very good results.

https://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg495740/#msg495740


Remember, The Mr Preva Experiment by itself is not Above Unity! It is a learning tool, you can observe how a standing wave can at least double Current.

Best Wishes,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8528 on: February 27, 2020, 09:38:01 PM »
That bucking thingy  ;D yeah chated to Mr Preva or one of his pals as my Russian is not too good.

i might be able to help you it wont work with DC  ;D
if you only have a few turns like in his video and less on the other side
you have to find the F they both resonate with other wise it wont work
and supose you have 6 on one side and 19 on the other I hope you have a high power
High Freq variable test Feq gen to find its res


its a bit like finding what number 17,5 and 3.9 will devide into but with no remainder  ;D 68.25

Have fun


Yes, the Mr Preva Experiment is best if it is Resonance, the Parallel Capacitor indicates the Resonance, to show the best effects.

The Experiment can be done with DC, the Problem is a very specific DC pulse is required into a very well designed Coil. The pulse must resemble 1/4 wave shape.

It amazes me, looking back on the old experiments, how far some of us have come.

You will note: 2.8 + 2.3 = 5.1 Amps!

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8529 on: February 27, 2020, 10:28:02 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8530 on: February 28, 2020, 12:12:11 AM »
Chris Sykes,
For your referance interupted DC is no longer DC as Mr Previn pointed out was something I had over looked
once i found the resonabnt frequency I got results.
Steven Mark uses that statment then also quickly says interupted DC is AC at 600khz

Raymondo

Raycathode, you have your opinion.

One must define a particular situation, for example, a Pulse of DC, is just that, it is not AC as simply the Current does not Alternate at the Source. So in this situation, one is not supplying AC as you state, it is a DC Pulse and the AC you refer to is occurring at the Input Coil, not at the Source.

I think being clear and precise in such situations about the specific topic and what is being spoken about is important to avoid confusion! I do so despise confusion! Even more so when it is bought about my intentional means!

The Tank Circuit does no require AC, it is DC that is supplied to the Circuit, however it is AC we observe in the Tank Circuit itself.

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« Reply #8531 on: February 28, 2020, 12:40:15 AM »
I should go a little further. DC is only Current Polarity, implying by definition a Voltage Polarity, Direct Current, Direct in one Direction from Source to Load.

In the Below Image, I have shown how easy it is to have a DC Output with a DC Input:

To Asymmetrically Regauge an Electromagnetic Machine, a tiny, very short Input, yet you can see a long expanded out, Output. It is easy to see how Asymmetrical this is. The Input was 3000 Hz at a 10% Duty Cycle.

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« Reply #8532 on: February 28, 2020, 01:04:30 AM »
In your shown wave form your sample an oscilloscope display you are not using direct coupling and so the DC content is removed so where is zero or ground ? You have effectively got capacitive coupling thus making the zero point some where between rail to rail.

In effect this point is not worth arguing over if this is your thread I will stop here.
If your going to keep stalking me and If you don't have anything nice to say why bother.

you made your point clear as 'Anti.Semitic'
 
The floor is all yours. over and out!

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Raymondo
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« Reply #8533 on: February 28, 2020, 01:08:23 AM »
In your shown wave form your sample osciloscape display you are not using direct coupling and so the DC content is removed so where is zero or ground ? you have efectivly got capacitive coupling thus making the zero point some where between rail to rail.

Raymondo

I am sorry Raycathode, you are wrong, I am using DC Coupling. Both Channels are DC Coupled. Your argument is mute, invalid.

http://www.cheniere.org/images/EMfndns1/sm%20Asymgage.jpg
http://www.cheniere.org/images/EMfndns1/sm%20Asymgag2.jpg

I should point out for those that may not know, this means the Probe Zero Graticule Line is indicated by the small Arrow on the side of the Scope. In other words, almost all of the Waveform is above the Zero Graticule Line, meaning we have a DC Input and a DC Output.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #8534 on: February 28, 2020, 08:11:18 AM »
In your shown wave form your sample an oscilloscope display you are not using direct coupling and so the DC content is removed so where is zero or ground ? You have effectively got capacitive coupling thus making the zero point some where between rail to rail.

In effect this point is not worth arguing over if this is your thread I will stop here.
If your going to keep stalking me and If you don't have anything nice to say why bother.

you made your point clear as 'Anti.Semitic'
 
The floor is all yours. over and out!

!

Regards

Raymondo

Raymondo, I am sorry if you took offence to my reply! Would you rather me beat around the bush and butter you up instead?  ::)

Facts will be of benefit, BS will not!!! It is time to be straight up, that is if you wish to advance, make progress. Lets be honest, lets be straight, lets progress, together. Its ok if you wish to bow out, I get it.

Closely studding the most basic things and learning from those simple things in small steps will prove to be of much greater benefit than allowing Textbook Assumptions guide you! Look at Cause and Effect when a Charge is moving. Especially when the Charge is moving in a Magnetic Field.

Best wishes,
   Chris Sykes

 

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