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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 1870791 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7905 on: March 06, 2017, 09:07:00 AM »
Well here is what I got on sim so far.  It is doing just as described.

The first stacked scope shots to the left are the input current and power at 20vac

The second scope shot is of the cap current, which also hangs around 20vac

The third is the current sense resistor at the top between the cap and the winding resistors

And the final stack is the primary and secondary current sens resistors.


I mean we can dispute that the sim is fraud, garbage or balony, but it does work as described. Just took a little effort.  Now I feel i can sit and make a real setup to do the same.


Here is the code for Falstad free Circuit Sim applet.

$ 1 1.16E-6 0.7087504708082256 38 5.0 43
T 640 272 816 416 0 0.01 3.0 -1.4062607712284625 0.4713399278764555 0.999
r 640 272 640 208 0 0.01
r 864 272 864 208 0 0.01
w 816 464 640 464 0
w 640 464 640 416 0
w 640 208 816 208 0
r 496 464 416 464 0 0.01
v 416 464 416 208 0 1 23700.0 20.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
S 496 208 448 208 0 1 false 0
w 416 208 448 192 0
w 816 464 864 464 0
w 864 272 816 272 0
w 576 208 496 208 0
w 640 464 576 464 0
w 576 464 496 464 0
c 576 208 576 464 0 9.910000000000001E-7 18.91475832637906
w 864 464 864 416 0
w 864 416 816 416 0
w 816 208 864 208 0
r 576 208 640 208 0 0.01
o 7 1 0 289 10.0 0.4 0 -1
o 7 1 1 291 5.0 9.765625E-5 0 -1
o 15 1 0 33 10.0 25.6 1 -1
o 19 1 0 33 0.01953125 12.8 2 -1
o 1 1 0 33 0.0390625 12.8 3 -1
o 2 1 0 33 0.009765625 6.4 3 -1





Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7905 on: March 06, 2017, 09:07:00 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7906 on: March 06, 2017, 09:22:59 AM »
I copied the code from the posted post and it differs for some reason when importing to the sim. It works perfect from the saved code on the desktop, but it leaves out the last scope shot of the sec stacked with the primary which shows the phase also when stacked. Messed with it for a bit here and all i can say is load the code and set up a scope shot of the far right sec resistor.  Have to be careful with these scope shots when working with this sim. It depends on which way you put a part on the screen as to how the shot looks. If you draw one resistor downward and draw the other upward, this will reverse the phase reading. Same with caps and such. But these are correct.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7907 on: March 06, 2017, 10:40:51 AM »
Well here is what I got on sim so far.  It is doing just as described.

The first stacked scope shots to the left are the input current and power at 20vac

The second scope shot is of the cap current, which also hangs around 20vac

The third is the current sense resistor at the top between the cap and the winding resistors

And the final stack is the primary and secondary current sens resistors.


I mean we can dispute that the sim is fraud, garbage or balony, but it does work as described. Just took a little effort.  Now I feel i can sit and make a real setup to do the same.


Here is the code for Falstad free Circuit Sim applet.

$ 1 1.16E-6 0.7087504708082256 38 5.0 43
T 640 272 816 416 0 0.01 3.0 -1.4062607712284625 0.4713399278764555 0.999
r 640 272 640 208 0 0.01
r 864 272 864 208 0 0.01
w 816 464 640 464 0
w 640 464 640 416 0
w 640 208 816 208 0
r 496 464 416 464 0 0.01
v 416 464 416 208 0 1 23700.0 20.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
S 496 208 448 208 0 1 false 0
w 416 208 448 192 0
w 816 464 864 464 0
w 864 272 816 272 0
w 576 208 496 208 0
w 640 464 576 464 0
w 576 464 496 464 0
c 576 208 576 464 0 9.910000000000001E-7 18.91475832637906
w 864 464 864 416 0
w 864 416 816 416 0
w 816 208 864 208 0
r 576 208 640 208 0 0.01
o 7 1 0 289 10.0 0.4 0 -1
o 7 1 1 291 5.0 9.765625E-5 0 -1
o 15 1 0 33 10.0 25.6 1 -1
o 19 1 0 33 0.01953125 12.8 2 -1
o 1 1 0 33 0.0390625 12.8 3 -1
o 2 1 0 33 0.009765625 6.4 3 -1





Mags

So what is the power value being dissipated by the resistors and coils ?.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7907 on: March 06, 2017, 10:40:51 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7908 on: March 06, 2017, 10:58:17 AM »
So what is the power value being dissipated by the resistors and coils ?.


Brad

Each scope shot can show the power if you rt click and choose that shots menu. I even turned off the voltage in the shots as it will only show the graphs and voltage value if both V and A are chosen. Here like in the diagram, we are looking at currents only and that is what I am showing. The transformer cannot be scoped. I havnt tried if the sim has probes or not. Ill check. But I believe the goal of that experiment was to see it in action and understand why it is happening. Im there. Whats next.
Once it gets into resonance the input becomes minimum and the oscillations carry on strong, just like an LC. But the interesting part is the transformer action to me. And I dont even know why Im interested yet. I had just never encountered that before.   

Its interesting and I want to see more. Im not looking for ou in this 1st experiment as Chris said it is not, yet. Whats next?

Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7909 on: March 06, 2017, 07:01:18 PM »
While screwing around with sim, I did some mods to the transformer. I did a 1-1 ratio and it just acts like an inductor where both windings are always in sync.

And I tried 1-10 ratio. Then they are 180 out but there isnt as much current induced out of the larger winding to feed the primary in opposition to the input and or varing cap voltage, even though the sec should be trying to produce even higher voltages than the input, the current ability diminishes.

So Im not certain, even though it is brought up in Chris vid as a posibility, if 1-3 is a magic number here.  But I do know that the lower number turn/lower inductance is the one that is inducing the larger number turn winding as the larger turn winding needs to build up more pressure with current capability than the input in order to help with sending current through the primary. Ive tried 1-2, 1-6, all of them up to 1-10. And the closer we get to around 3 the better the currents from the secondary as it should be producing pressures higher than the input and the closer the sec is to 1-1, the more current capability there will be in the sec.  But since the pressure is lower closer to 1-1, less current flows in the sec to supplement the primary with the input. At 1-1.1 ratio it acts very similar to just 1-1 just a bit higher freq than 1-1 and both are in phase as the eye can see but im sure there is a shift there though small.

So with this part of the 'getting to know partnered coils' id say to find if 1-3 ratio is best that I test other ratios around that to get the most current out of the sec vs the input/cap.  I was happy that the ratio setting could do 1-1.1 and such. The slider only does increments of 1 up to 10. So just enter the 1.1 or which ever and it works.
That sim is very handy for what it is. It has helped me a lot through the years. There are some things it lacks but it does great with this stuff for pretesting things.

Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7909 on: March 06, 2017, 07:01:18 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7910 on: March 06, 2017, 07:05:50 PM »
Just thinking, but gota git...   so cant check right now but I suppose between 1-1 ratio and 1-3 we have all the other phase shifts from 0 to 180 inbetween there. Is it advantageous to have 90deg phase shift? I remember some talking about this before.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7911 on: March 08, 2017, 12:37:43 PM »
Played more on sim and I was mistaken about the 1 to 1.1 ratio.  Checked and rechecked.  Got it down to 1 to 1.01 ratio and the closer to 1 to 1, the less that enters the primary and the more the sec supplies the primary.  After a reset ya have to wait for the circuit to settle.. Seems to work with anything above 1 to 1.  But again, what can we do with that?


Code

$ 1 1.16E-6 1.2182493960703473 38 5.0 43
T 640 272 816 416 0 0.01 1.05 0.4627695199014563 -0.4084919462729011 0.999
r 640 272 640 208 0 0.01
r 864 272 864 208 0 0.01
w 816 464 640 464 0
w 640 464 640 416 0
w 640 208 816 208 0
r 496 464 416 464 0 0.01
v 416 464 416 208 0 1 2300.0 20.0 0.0 0.0 0.5
S 496 208 448 208 0 1 false 0
w 416 208 448 192 0
w 816 464 864 464 0
w 864 272 816 272 0
w 576 208 496 208 0
w 640 464 576 464 0
w 576 464 496 464 0
c 576 208 576 464 0 9.92E-7 19.95001656283452
w 864 464 864 416 0
w 864 416 816 416 0
w 816 208 864 208 0
r 576 208 640 208 0 0.01
o 7 1 0 289 10.0 0.2 0 -1
o 7 1 1 291 2.5 9.765625E-5 0 -1
o 15 1 0 33 10.0 3.2 1 -1
o 19 4 0 41 0.00244140625 0.8 2 -1
o 1 1 0 33 0.01953125 6.4 3 -1
o 2 1 0 33 0.01953125 6.4 3 -1


Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7912 on: March 08, 2017, 12:40:26 PM »
Same as before in the above pic

left stack scope shots are input current and power

next is cap current

top csr  and stacked csr for each winding

Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7913 on: March 11, 2017, 02:19:09 AM »
Ok. Seems to have an unusual effect im finding on sim.  The more I sim the more I will be familiar with the real circuit.

I decided to change the power input resistor to a higher number than 10mohm. I would have thought that there would be a reduction in currents flowing in the windings and cap respectively. But its not.  Also, jumping from 10mohm to 1ohm, the currents in the windings did not change at all, in fact, from fresh reset, the 1ohm allowed the currents to build and settle quite a bit faster than with the 10mohm. ???   And even at 100ohm, the situation didnt reduce much as in currents flowing, but, the time to settle was somewhat more than the 1ohm.

The 3 shots were taken after a reset and stopped when the circuits settled, going by the currents in the primary.   Interesting, to me. The time when stopped in in the bottom right corner of each shot.


Just going through some cores. I have one core that already has 2 windings of equal number on opposite sides of the core. Each reads around 8.5mh, of which my sime transformer is 10mh. Close enough. Now just remove some turns from one and get started.

Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7914 on: March 12, 2017, 10:28:08 PM »
Ok, here is my first go at it...

Using a 1 uf cap and a 50t to 60t ratio which is 1 to 1.2 .

It should be in the audio range hopefully below 10khz.

Just finished it. I used non inductive resistors throughout, .015 ohm on each winding each made with .03ohm pairs and been wanting to try my 1ohm csr I made from 8 8ohm non inductive from RS and finally 2 20ohm in parallel to be 10ohm on the input as it is an audio amp I dont want to hurt, but according to sim testing it should work well.

Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7915 on: March 12, 2017, 11:04:45 PM »
Nice job Magluvin!

Happy to see there some folks on it!
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7916 on: March 12, 2017, 11:26:01 PM »
Nice job Magluvin!

Happy to see there some folks on it!
 :)

Thanks. Just givin it a go.  If sim says it does what they say it does, then for this simple circuit it should do what they say it will.

Here is a sim shot with all components edited to match the board. Hoping to be around the 6.63khz in the real test. I doubt it will be exact. But will be neat to see if it is close, and if it is, then hopefully it inspires others that the sim can do a good job on simple circuits before building.

Just cleaning off the bench. Will be using an audio amplifier and my phone as a sig gen. Some of the app sig gens are sweet for this kind of stuff.

Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7917 on: March 15, 2017, 12:24:37 AM »
What if you put a transistor on each ground side of the coil. Then wrap the wire around the coil for the pickup for the bases on the transistors like a  bedini moter. 8) 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7918 on: March 15, 2017, 02:45:14 AM »
So far on the board I havnt been able to get a resonance that produces the amps through the windings as shown in the sim.  I scoped the windings and then the winding csr's and its strange. The voltage across the windings is in sync but, the voltage across the csr's is inverted.  I looked for scope probes on sim and they are there. And the sim shows the same, in sync on the windings and out of sync(180) on the csr's, seemingly no matter what freq the input.

When scoping the csr's I used the top of the resistors as common gnd and testing the windings I used the bottom of the windings as the gnd. Its just odd.

I did find a freq around 1khz that the input is minimized which would indicate a resonance or say a band block filter effect.

My core I scraped off the coating and the resistance is high resistance of 8kohm, so it is not sucking up the power in the windings I dont think like a very conductive core might.

Still messing with it.

Mags

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7919 on: January 20, 2018, 10:58:33 PM »

 

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