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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7725 on: February 13, 2017, 06:55:39 AM »
I am referring to the current flow within a PM,that maintains the PMs powerful magnetic field.

Look at the magnet as a pump,where the virtual photons are ejected out one end,and sucked back into the other-just like a water pump draws/sucks water in one end,and forces it out the other.

How do we access this current/energy, that continually pumps these virtual photons in a continual loop.


Brad



I am a little surprised to see so little posts! So little activity!

I have been away for a couple of days, attending to some things, and there is only 4 Posts. but: 7324 thread reads in the last 4 days.

Often when something is discovered, time is needed, to understand and figure out where the absolute most fundamental concepts lay, to "Understand" exactly how a device works. I understand that some will be taking time to go through these steps...


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P.S: Have you ever seen a more simple, more straight forward, Simple to construct, Cheaper to construct, Free Energy Machine? Three Coils, One Input Coil, Partnered Output Coils, Energy Above Unity!!!

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« Reply #7726 on: February 13, 2017, 01:25:02 PM »


I am a little surprised to see so little posts! So little activity!

I have been away for a couple of days, attending to some things, and there is only 4 Posts. but: 7324 thread reads in the last 4 days.

Often when something is discovered, time is needed, to understand and figure out where the absolute most fundamental concepts lay, to "Understand" exactly how a device works. I understand that some will be taking time to go through these steps...


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P.S: Have you ever seen a more simple, more straight forward, Simple to construct, Cheaper to construct, Free Energy Machine? Three Coils, One Input Coil, Partnered Output Coils, Energy Above Unity!!!

I have ordered a larger toroid transformer,so as we can reduce measurement error,by upping the power levels being measured.

Also started my new job-back into the truck's.

Will be doing east/west runs this time,so will be away for weeks at a time.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7727 on: February 13, 2017, 08:24:28 PM »

I have ordered a larger toroid transformer,so as we can reduce measurement error,by upping the power levels being measured.

Also started my new job-back into the truck's.

Will be doing east/west runs this time,so will be away for weeks at a time.


Brad



Hey Brad - You're quite right, the CSA or Cross Sectional Area is a factor where we can improve the over all Induction. Because in Transformers: N = E 108 / 4.44 B A F


Of course this Equation can be rearranged to return another variable if required: E = 4.44 N F B / 108


Where:
   N = number of Turns
   E = EMF or Voltage
   B = Magnetic Field in Gauss
   A = Cross Sectional Area
   F = Frequency (Sinusoidal Hz)


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7728 on: February 13, 2017, 09:31:29 PM »



Brad, we talked about some time back, how a Magnetic Field may not be bound to the local region it appears to be confined to, and that it may extend past the local boundary:


@Shylo - No, its Induction!!!

See: http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.msg45207#msg45207


Quote from: EMJunkie link=http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.msg45207#msg45207


For Everyone: Asymmetric Fields! Next to no Pushing, but at the same time opposition, allowing a force to Attract another Force. An addition to Newtons Third Law! How could this possibly work? Does a Magnetic Field extend past the Repulsive Force of another? Where is it that interaction of Fields are Really Occurring?



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I really don't like to advertise Over Unity Research because of their behaviour when I went over to them after being hammered by the OU Goons here, they were just as bad as the OU Goons!!! Changed the name of the Thread, demanded Proof, and were not willing to put any effort at all into learning anything of value!!! Just a bunch of spoiled children!!! Who has egg on their faces now??? Independent Replications


I put the top bit about the Fields in quotes because it was important.

Here, in Partnered Output Coils, we see Magnetic Field Interactions well beyond where we would expect to see them. Many Magnetic Fields at the Same Time in the same region of Space, eg: Inside the Core material.

Floyd Sweet, in the Lab Notes, it says:

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Once moving, the flux grows and decays at the excitation frequency and apparently induced, by Flux Linking, a current in the output Coils which was in this case measured at 4.6A x 24.2V = 111.32 Watts – measured twice, observed by 3 persons.




This is exactly what we see, Flux Linking, with some Flux Cutting at the same time, and yes of course the Flux has to be moving, this is the Magnetic A Vector Potential! Also, Importantly, we see: "the flux grows and decays at the excitation frequency" exactly as was said!!! In other words, we control the devices with our input Frequency.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7729 on: February 14, 2017, 03:00:56 PM »
Hi Chris and all

As i had a toroidal transformer at disposal, i decided to replicate Wistiti's experiment

Good and encouraging results so far. I hope there is no mistake in the measurement, but i try to be very carefull when we get such efficiency. Of course feel free to correct me if you notice some error.

https://youtu.be/Z3RQkQEv59k

Will reread this thread to better understand what is going on here. But not so much time at the present.

Hope this helps

Thank's to all of you for your work

Laurent


Edit: please read itsu's comment and my answer (next 2 posts). It is very likely that the results on the video is erroneous due to a faulty clamp meter.
« Last Edit: February 14, 2017, 07:41:14 PM by woopy »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7730 on: February 14, 2017, 05:30:38 PM »
Hi woopy,

please be aware that the input current could be NO sine wave anymore and therefor the sine wave crest factor is not the 1.414 that your clamp meter expect.
See this webside:  http://www.programmablepower.com/blog/what-is-crest-factor-and-why-is-it-important/

Best is to use a csr (current sensing resistor) or current probe to view / calculate the current and compare with the voltage.

A little test with a similar setup (220V-220V (iso)transformer into a 220V-12V transformer, all toroids, loading a 6V / 2W bulb) shows this input voltage/current on the
220V-12V toroid, see screenshot.


The voltage yellow (lowered by a variac) is kind of sine wave, but the current green (using a current probe) is not.

Furthermore, you have the probes grounds connected to both the input as the output at the same time which could give problems.
I think it would be better to measure first the input, then the output to avoid groundloop problems.

Nice demo,   regards Itsu


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7731 on: February 14, 2017, 07:35:56 PM »
Hi itsu

Thank's very much for your input

I have checked the current trace with a CSR  (1 ohm and also 0.1 ohm) on both side input and output. The current trace is a nice sine wave as per the voltage BUT

The RMS current is much higher on both side too. So the input is about 65 mv =ma and no more 40 ma as per my clamp meter, and the output current is about 433 mv= ma and no more 365 mA

So the efficiency drop to about 80 % , so nothing to see here, and i wonder why  the true RMS clamp meter ( a very expensive one) shows so wrong measurement because i doubt that this is the scope which is wrong. I checked the clamp meter  battery and it is OK.

I have rechecked with a digital ampmeter (no clamp) and it also shows as the scope higher mA draw.

Youp another time big problems with those  measurements, and i wonder if Wistiti has the same issue with his clamp meter ??

On youtube  Gotuluc says that he will  also replicate the Wistiti's experiment, i will wait for his results and eventually  i will suppress my video because missleading.

I will check if i made a mistake with the bucking coils (wrong winding eventually ?)

OK anyway thank's for sharing your great experience in the measurement.

Laurent


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« Reply #7732 on: February 14, 2017, 08:24:08 PM »
I used clamp meters for many years in industry.  They are not good for accuracy because of the loose coupling between the wire and the clamp.  They are only good for a close approximation which is good enough if you want to know if a motor is being seriously overloaded or a circuit is not drawing any current when it should be.  For the most accurate use of a clamp meter the wire needs to be right in the center of the  clamp and the clamp needs to be very close to perpendicular to the wire.  Laying the clamp meter down so the wire is close to parallel to the clamp will throw off the accuracy.  They certainly have their place in industry but are not good for accurate circuit analysis.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7733 on: February 14, 2017, 08:42:33 PM »
Hi Chris and all

As i had a toroidal transformer at disposal, i decided to replicate Wistiti's experiment

Good and encouraging results so far. I hope there is no mistake in the measurement, but i try to be very carefull when we get such efficiency. Of course feel free to correct me if you notice some error.

https://youtu.be/Z3RQkQEv59k

Will reread this thread to better understand what is going on here. But not so much time at the present.

Hope this helps

Thank's to all of you for your work

Laurent


Edit: please read itsu's comment and my answer (next 2 posts). It is very likely that the results on the video is erroneous due to a faulty clamp meter.



Hey Woopy - Nice Replication! Thank you for sharing!

About the re-reading the thread, its a massive mess of posts, we might be better to go through and start with questions and so on from here.

It is very likely that Itsu's device is saturated, thus the non sinusoidal wave form. Most here know that it takes very little power to saturate a small ferrite toroid. Itsu, it may be worth checking out a very handy page: http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/type_43_ferrite_b-h_curve.htm this way you can see where your toroid hits saturation.


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« Reply #7734 on: February 14, 2017, 09:07:05 PM »
Hi itsu

Thank's very much for your input

I have checked the current trace with a CSR  (1 ohm and also 0.1 ohm) on both side input and output. The current trace is a nice sine wave as per the voltage BUT

The RMS current is much higher on both side too. So the input is about 65 mv =ma and no more 40 ma as per my clamp meter, and the output current is about 433 mv= ma and no more 365 mA

So the efficiency drop to about 80 % , so nothing to see here, and i wonder why  the true RMS clamp meter ( a very expensive one) shows so wrong measurement because i doubt that this is the scope which is wrong. I checked the clamp meter  battery and it is OK.

I have rechecked with a digital ampmeter (no clamp) and it also shows as the scope higher mA draw.

Youp another time big problems with those  measurements, and i wonder if Wistiti has the same issue with his clamp meter ??

On youtube  Gotuluc says that he will  also replicate the Wistiti's experiment, i will wait for his results and eventually  i will suppress my video because missleading.

I will check if i made a mistake with the bucking coils (wrong winding eventually ?)

OK anyway thank's for sharing your great experience in the measurement.

Laurent



Woopy - don't give up, you're very close, just need to over come the Toroid Losses.

Input:
   V: 27.7 VAC
   I: 0.65 A


Output:
   V: 3.78 VAC
   I: 0.433 A


Your POC Toroid has the following estimated values:

   Resistance: 42.6153846153846 in Ohms. (Ω)
   Phase Angle: 88.6557608932097 degrees. (Φ)
   Inductive Reactance XL: 42.604 in Ohms. (Ω)
   Capacitive Reactance XC: 42.6036566066035 in Ohms. (Ω)
   Impedance (Z): 0.999724794017781+j42.604 in Ohms. (Ω)
   Inductance (L): 0.135611650854612 Henries. (H)
   Real Resistance: 0.999724794017781 in Ohms. (Ω)
   LC Network Capacitance: 7.47142174022813E-10 in Farads. (F)

If my Math is correct, then the 88.65 Degrees Phase Shift (theta) will put your input Power at: P = V x I x Cos(88.65) = 0.424194199 Watts and your Output Power at P = V x I = 3.78 x 0.433 =  1.63674 Watts Maybe you could verify the Phase Angle?

There is a few small things that can be done to get this working better. This will get your efficiency very much higher. Your Turns ratio needs to be increased. Currently you have 27.7 : 3.78 which is approximately 9:1 Turns Ratio - You want to aim for around 3-5:1 - So this means you need about 3 times more turns on your Partnered Output Coils, getting the voltage on the output to about 9 Volts.

Why are turns important? Because the turns with Current I is the Magnetic Field! B = μNL Where μ is the Relative Permeability, N is Turns and L is the Inductance. The Magnetic Field is what is doing the work. When each Magnetic Field is sufficient to start the Charge Separation Process, then more Charges can be separated. If the Magnetic Field is not sufficient, we just see a standard Transformer with standard Efficiency: 80 - 95%


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7735 on: February 14, 2017, 09:23:42 PM »

Woopy, 

good to see you found the problem, allthough i would have liked it to be not so.

Carroll is right, those clamp meters are not accurate, i tried mine on my setup, but could not get any reading, probably because of the low (9mA rms) current that was flowing.



Chris,

it does look like the toroid (steel) was saturated, but it puzzles me how as i only had a 6V/2W bulb as load (its a 15VA steel toroid transformer).
I still think it is some kind of impedance mismatch between the 2 (steel) toroid transformers, but i am not sure now.

I will check out your referenced page to see if i can check my toroid for saturation.



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« Reply #7736 on: February 14, 2017, 09:34:23 PM »
Woopy, 

good to see you found the problem, allthough i would have liked it to be not so.

Carroll is right, those clamp meters are not accurate, i tried mine on my setup, but could not get any reading, probably because of the low (9mA rms) current that was flowing.



Chris,

it does look like the toroid (steel) was saturated, but it puzzles me how as i only had a 6V/2W bulb as load (its a 15VA steel toroid transformer).
I still think it is some kind of impedance mismatch between the 2 (steel) toroid transformers, but i am not sure now.

I will check out your referenced page to see if i can check my toroid for saturation.



Itsu



Hey Itsu - Good to know. I can only make assumptions on my end, I try to help where I can. I don't know everything and am wrong sometimes.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7737 on: February 14, 2017, 09:51:44 PM »
It can be demonstrated by simulation and bench tests that a normally operating transformer constructed of a primary 'A' and connected bucking secondaries 'C' and 'D' will exhibit no output across the bucking secondaries with input to the primary under the following conditions:  The secondaries are identical in all their parameters ie turns, dcr, wire size, height and width, and have identical coupling factors and capacitances to the primary.

If output is obtained from two bucking secondaries on a transformer with the primary driven, then one or more of the above parameters is no longer equal and balanced.  The higher the unbalance between parameters, the higher the output. 

Scramble winding secondaries over already somewhat scramble wound primaries on a toroid will produce unbalanced parameters in the bucking secondaries and therefore output.  Winding a pair of bifilar secondaries over a layer wound bobbin style core or precisely placed windings on a toroid will result in reasonably well balanced buck windings that will produce little to no output.

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« Reply #7738 on: February 14, 2017, 10:02:21 PM »

I used clamp meters for many years in industry.  They are not good for accuracy because of the loose coupling between the wire and the clamp.  They are only good for a close approximation which is good enough if you want to know if a motor is being seriously overloaded or a circuit is not drawing any current when it should be.  For the most accurate use of a clamp meter the wire needs to be right in the center of the  clamp and the clamp needs to be very close to perpendicular to the wire.  Laying the clamp meter down so the wire is close to parallel to the clamp will throw off the accuracy.  They certainly have their place in industry but are not good for accurate circuit analysis.

Carroll




Carroll is right, Clamp Meters have a lot of problems. Stray Magnetic Fields and so on... Measuring low power they are not accurate. Not as accurate as we need, but this is all some have and is as you say, a good approximation.





EDIT-i forgot to mention--to achieve these results,i had to use a square wave,and a frequency of 12.2KHz.

Still looking for the error,but here are the results so far-measured with both DMMs and scope using a CVR.
The scope and DMMs had only a 2% difference with value's,so an average was taken from the both results.All DMMs were swapped around,and came within +/- 1%
Tried using the clamp on meter,but currents are to small to register.

P/in-6.8vRMS @ 19mA=129.2mW
P/out 1-1.8vRMS @ 41mA=73.8mW
P/out 2-1.83vRMS @ 42mA=76.8mW

So seems to be running at 116% efficiency. :o




Brad's measurements were made on the scope, as others have and we are still getting good results! So a Clamp meter, although they have higher inaccuracys, are still showing us some degree of direction.


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« Reply #7739 on: February 14, 2017, 10:26:09 PM »

It can be demonstrated by simulation and bench tests that a normally operating transformer constructed of a primary 'A' and connected bucking secondaries 'C' and 'D' will exhibit no output across the bucking secondaries with input to the primary under the following conditions:  The secondaries are identical in all their parameters ie turns, dcr, wire size, height and width, and have identical coupling factors and capacitances to the primary.

If output is obtained from two bucking secondaries on a transformer with the primary driven, then one or more of the above parameters is no longer equal and balanced.  The higher the unbalance between parameters, the higher the output. 

Scramble winding secondaries over already somewhat scramble wound primaries on a toroid will produce unbalanced parameters in the bucking secondaries and therefore output.  Winding a pair of bifilar secondaries over a layer wound bobbin style core or precisely placed windings on a toroid will result in reasonably well balanced buck windings that will produce little to no output.

pm

   



Partzman - There are two types of Bucking!

   1: Non-Inductive - No Output - Conventional
   2: Inductive - Output - MrPreva Experiment Style - Which is an Auto Transformer, of sorts, with an additional Winding.

I have tried to explain this for nearly two years now, seems this is very hard to grasp?

Simply Put, One needs an Output Voltage, The current in the Partnered Output Coils must Oppose, this is the Bucking, Current and Magnetic Fields Buck... Both types of Bucking can produce Excess Power, but Type 1 is very much harder than Type 2.


So I only partly agree with your post.

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