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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7575 on: January 02, 2017, 05:05:22 AM »




For a long time, I have suggested a very simple experiment:


Please try a simple experiment!

you will need:
   1: a Coil, 200 or so turns, No Core!
   2: A Neo Magnet
   3: Short the Coil, tie the ends together.

Sweep the Neo Magnet past the Coil, observe the Magnetic Field Interactions. A Dead Short on the Coil will Invoke Lenz's Law and the Fields will (On Neo Entry to Coil Proximity) Oppose each other!

This is SUPER Important to Understand!

Field Opposition!!! Charges in the Coil are already Separated, Current is the Cause of the Magnetic Field (Lenz's law), but the Current was already available, already on the Terminals!!! Waiting to Flow through a Load!!!


Understanding the absolute most basic concepts of Electrical Energy "Generation" is critical!


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« Reply #7576 on: January 02, 2017, 05:22:23 AM »



@PartzMan - In GG's device, you must realise, once the Sync Rect is switched, once the Flow of Current reverses, there is no stopping this flow by Switching the Fet back on again!!!

I have said this before, this switching you have mentioned, is a one shot thing per Cycle!



A test, I have seen this many times here on this forum!!!

What LED's will Light:

   D1: ?
   D2: ?
   D3: ?



Fets as you already know, when off, are only good for a single Direction of Current Flow, not both, we are seeing both directions of Current! Current flow the other way, the Internal Diode will just conduct, there is no OFF on the Mosfet in this Direction of Current Flow!!!

Gunny says at:

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Video @1:04:06

We're stuck with a technology that only works in one polarity, but its close, to what he requested in one of his (Nikola Tesla) books.

So this big pulse here, appears when the Mosfet is switched off for a small but precise amount of time. And some of the things in what I call the Chain oscillator here set that time.

So there is a number of delay Circuits, that are arranged in a Ring, and they sort of pass the baton to one and the next, right, so we have one delay creates this wave, and it passes it on the next one, and a third one and so forth, and that branches off to another delay circuit, that looks right here and creates a delay until here (SR Switch off), runs another delay until right there (SR Switch on), and that particular delay turns off the Mosfet on the on the Output Circuit.

When it does, it breaks the Current, there's Flux Imbalance in there, and when the Circuit is broken, the voltage is no longer defined by us, its defined by the Magnetic Field. And the Magnetic Field's want to equalise, like if we just had a fish tank with the water level here and there (Hands showing Water Levels), and a piece of cardboard in the middle of the tank, and then like magic, just make it vanish, what would happen to the water? (Hands show equilibrium of water levels), and so that's what we see in the output current, that's the water sloshing.


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Video @1:34:06

He said, I'm just Open Circuiting the Output and that's what's giving me the Spike and the answer is yes.


I think this Critical Point has been missed by many.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7577 on: January 02, 2017, 09:35:58 AM »
It is much simpler, and can be condensed into one simple sentence :


magnetic field is the source of energy.

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« Reply #7578 on: January 02, 2017, 09:47:38 AM »
It is much simpler, and can be condensed into one simple sentence :


magnetic field is the source of energy.




Hey Forest,

I agree, but this is not the source of the Electrical Energy. This, the Magnetic Force, does work on the Charges inside the Copper Wire, to Separate the Charges, pushing the Charged Particles, which have a Magnetic Moment of their own, which also have Mass of their own, to one end of the Wire. This is the Potential Difference in Charge, Voltage.

These charged Particles are a Composition of the Atomic Structure of the medium, in our case Copper.

For example, swipe a Permanent Magnet past a Wire made of Carbon Fibre, No EMF is "Generated"! Only in a Conductive element can Electrons Move!

Floyd Sweet also says the same thing:

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Quantum mechanics state not all electrons in copper are free to carry charges. Then it’s time to set the wheels in motion to free them from binding magnetic forces. Once this is done, conductivity will improve and resistance decrease as we are dealing only with electrons. Copper will not change to another metal as atoms which are mostly empty space would have many electrons to spare anyway.


Also, please take some time to watch: How Magnets Produce Electricity - 1954 US Navy Training Film

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« Reply #7579 on: January 02, 2017, 01:58:27 PM »
Good question, I'd like to know if really induction cannot happen when the 'wire" is just a carbon fibre or carbon rod as used in zinc-carbon battery. Unfortunately I cannot test it.. Could somebody test it and post video on youtube ?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7580 on: January 02, 2017, 04:41:13 PM »
Chris may want to pull that statement back or qualify it.   Seems there is all sorts of work being done to use carbon fibers for on-chip inductors:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/amse/2014/384917/

Looks to me like if a material is conductive in any way, it can be formed into an inductor.

So con-ductor, in-ductor is a property of the material, as I'm sure the same is true for a capacitor and the dielectric material between the two conductors.


Seems to me the beauty in semi-conductors is their ability to change state--be a non-conductor and act as a dielectric, or be a conductor and act as substrate for an inductor.  I think most of us have tried to visualize such a material that could change state in a running LC circuit and how profoundly the characteristics of such a tank circuit could be altered on the fly.  The next question to ask yourself is if such a material exists that is not a conductor but is conductor at the same time.  Would this material be a self-resonant tank circuit?  Or, would this material simply refuse to oscillate under any conditions?

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« Reply #7581 on: January 02, 2017, 06:35:46 PM »


@PartzMan - Going further...

Smudge was talking directly about the Output Current Wave Form. Like I said:

When a Diver, Dives under a Large Volume of Water, his body takes time to adjust to the Water Pressure, this is more evident on the way back up, The Bends, or Decompression Sickness (DCS).

Magnetic Fields, when the Source is a Current Flow in a Wire, also take Time to adjust to each Other. We know this as the Impedance, the AC Resistance, the Resistance to change of the Magnetic Field. We both know all this already!

When two Magnetic Fields are in such a fashion as to Oppose like this, like I have shown for Years now, things are not as we would expect! What we might expect to see as an Impedance (Z), that can be completely different to what we would expect to see, when we have Magnetic Fields under Stress! The Coils Impedance can be nearly Zero, or even further.

So, amazingly, and no one has touched on this, even though I have bought this up many times, there can be No Resistance to the Change In Magnetic Field!!! This is massively Important!

We can see Magnetic Field Changes in a VERY much shorter Time than we would normally expect! We can see on GG's Scope Shot that the Current, which is also the Magnetic Field, changes, from one Sine to the Other, in a very short time! About 400ns if my Math is correct.

Below, the distance between the two Yellow lines, is the time it takes for the Magnetic Fields to Balance, we have next to no DCS. Simply because the Pressure between the Coils remain High all at the same time as the Magnetic Field is High.

Now, this is Super Important to see: Like in ALL "Generators" the Magnetic Field is going to Change in Time, but the Partnered Output Coils are Now the "Generator" - This means one of the Coils is still in the same state that is was a split second before the switching, this coil can not change its state, it is now the Source of the Magnetic Field in the "Generator"!

As Time increments, the Magnetic Field will slowly decrease, which we see on the scope. The Magnetic Fields between each one of the Partnered Output Coils is Opposite, one + and one -

IMPORTANT: This means One Coil is IN PHASE with the Input, meaning the Magnetic Fields are in the Same Direction, the Flow of Current is in the same direction, one Coil Assists in the Self Oscillation characteristics!!!

Of course GG switched off his input part Cycle, which he must, because the Time for the Magnetic Fields to do work in "Generating" Excess Electrical Energy would overlap on the Input other wise because of his Devices Geometry.

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Chris,

In essence, everything you state above can simply be summed up with one phrase and that is Conservation of Energy as you know.   

The current spike you refer to in Graham's MIT secondary current is the result of a field collapse of one of the secondaries while the other remains on thus creating the bucking condition between the two secondaries.  During this field collapse, the drain voltage of the mosfet that has turned off reaches a high level in a half sine shape and is the reason he uses the expensive Cree high BVdss devices.  What actually happens during this short period is the current in the collapsing secondary charges the Coss or output capacitance (ignoring coil and other circuit circuit capacitance for simplicity) until all the energy that was contained in said secondary is now stored in the Coss minus losses of course.  I think we would agree that if no capacitance was present, the voltage would rise to infinity.  Next, the energy stored in Coss is now discharged or shuttled back into the same secondary which results in the opposite polarity of current in the secondary winding.  Then, via some means of delay, the other secondary is allowed to turn off and with the right combination of PM flux bias in the core, gap energy, leakage inductance, core perm and overall timing, the result is the average output current being close to dc.

I've attached a sim below that demonstrates what I'm stating above.  This sim does include PM core bias, leakage inductance, nonlinear cores utilizing gyrator/capacitor models.  Behavioral voltage or BV sources are used for the nonlinear capacitors that model the nonlinear cores along with doing some calculations but we'll skip how this type of modeling works.  It can be a little difficult to follow so I'll
explain the important details.

The current fed full bridge inverter drives the primary.  Each side of the primary is displayed in the plot as V(ps) and V(pf) and if summed together would be sine wave with a small delay at the zero crossing.  Plot math is seen for V(eout), I(L1), and V(pin) and is used as follows.  The BV source B3 calculates the Pin and can be seen to be 2.3593v which really should be read as ~2.36w because the output of BV equations will always be indicated in volts.  The output voltage V(eout) is 9.824v dc which equates to a Pout=4.83w for a COP=2.05.  Compare this to the dc power input of .324 * 40 = 12.96w and also note the reactive power in the primary of ~65w rms. 

Although the waveforms are slightly different compared to G's MIT, the concept is the same with the resulting negative offset in the output current waveform I(V6).

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« Reply #7582 on: January 02, 2017, 08:55:30 PM »
Good question, I'd like to know if really induction cannot happen when the 'wire" is just a carbon fibre or carbon rod as used in zinc-carbon battery. Unfortunately I cannot test it.. Could somebody test it and post video on youtube ?




Hi Forest, yes, Charged Particles, or Particles carrying a Charge can only move in a Conductive Element. Each Charged Particle having a Magnetic Moment of its own, meaning that it can be Polarised with, or by, the applied Magnetic Field.




Chris may want to pull that statement back or qualify it.   Seems there is all sorts of work being done to use carbon fibers for on-chip inductors:

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/amse/2014/384917/

Looks to me like if a material is conductive in any way, it can be formed into an inductor.

So con-ductor, in-ductor is a property of the material, as I'm sure the same is true for a capacitor and the dielectric material between the two conductors.


Seems to me the beauty in semi-conductors is their ability to change state--be a non-conductor and act as a dielectric, or be a conductor and act as substrate for an inductor.  I think most of us have tried to visualize such a material that could change state in a running LC circuit and how profoundly the characteristics of such a tank circuit could be altered on the fly.  The next question to ask yourself is if such a material exists that is not a conductor but is conductor at the same time.  Would this material be a self-resonant tank circuit?  Or, would this material simply refuse to oscillate under any conditions?




Hi Dog-One - You're quite right. Carbon Fibre may not have been a very good choice of material to use in my example. Some Compounds, or Composites of Carbon Fibre can be Conductive, thus meaning they can carry Charged Particles, thus meaning they can be used as Inductors.

I hope the readers see what I mean by what I wrote?

Re: Super Conductor - At this point it is an interesting point to bring up! Whats the best definition we can find:

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Superconductivity is the ability of certain materials to conduct electric current with practically zero resistance.



Interestingly:


Quote from: Floyd Sweet

Once this is done, conductivity will improve and resistance decrease as we are dealing only with electrons.



This we have seen in our experiments already, perhaps not a true Super-Conductor, but on the way to it. I like to think of the Electrons in the Wire, or the Charged particles in the wire as a Buoy in water, waiting to be stimulated, waiting for the tide to carry this Buoy as a Current of Buoy's in a Current of Water.

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« Reply #7583 on: January 02, 2017, 09:41:31 PM »
Chris,

Before we leave the MEI device previously posted, I have several comments before discussing the attached scope pix.

I was a little surprised that you didn't mention the buck configuration of the secondaries in the ME3V_25F schematic.  These windings however do not operate as one might assume from their connected polarities but are rather unique in their operation. 

The basic MEI device can be modeled as two back-to-back delay lines with the common (primary L2) open circuited and the outside secondaries connected in various configurations to a load.  Due to this structure, the primary L2 couples to the secondaries L1/L3 via the distributed capacitance between the windings and therefore, the device appears as a capacitive reactance to anything connected to it's input.  As a result, the distributed displacement currents (so called) operate in a unique manner in the low side secondary, in this case L1, in that positive current flows out each end of L1 while L3 operates in a normal manner comparatively.  In addition, the phase of the voltage (not shown) at the junction of L1/L3 is difficult to explain due to these unique interactions within the coils.  IMO, the excess energy and the >90 degree phase shift between the input current and voltage is due to energy extraction from the aether in the distributed capacitance between windings.

Now, in regards to the current usefulness of this device, I've attached a scope pix of a version with certain changes that operates from a pulsed input and dc supply.  CH1(yel) is the input pulse, CH2(blu) is the input current to the device, CH3(pnk) is the output voltage across 51 ohm non-inductive load, and the Math(red) channel is the instantaneous input power over time and shown in mean watts.  It can be seen that the input current is negative for ~50% of the input pulse positive duty cycle and this negative energy can be (and is) recirculated back to the supply with proper circuit design.  The resulting pulsed input power is 88.52mw.  The output power calculates to 145mw resulting in a COP of 1.64.  With refined improvements including power output, the device could be integrated into or added to cell phones or other mobile devices for perpetual charging. 

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« Reply #7584 on: January 02, 2017, 10:21:17 PM »




Hi PartzMan, Energy Conservation is real, its valid, it is a Law that binds all Non Asymmetric Machines!



Chris,

In essence, everything you state above can simply be summed up with one phrase and that is Conservation of Energy as you know.   

The current spike you refer to in Graham's MIT secondary current is the result of a field collapse of one of the secondaries while the other remains on thus creating the bucking condition between the two secondaries.  During this field collapse, the drain voltage of the mosfet that has turned off reaches a high level in a half sine shape and is the reason he uses the expensive Cree high BVdss devices. 




I don't agree with the terminology, the Field is not "Collapsing" - It is a Forced Full Reversal (in approx. 400us) with slightly less amplitude. Yes the Field's Between the Two Output Coils Buck, Currents are in Opposite Directions.

The Current Spike is a direct result of a Very Fast Change in the Output Coils Magnetic Fields, again about 400us.




What actually happens during this short period is the current in the collapsing secondary charges the Coss or output capacitance (ignoring coil and other circuit circuit capacitance for simplicity) until all the energy that was contained in said secondary is now stored in the Coss minus losses of course. 



Yes, the Output Capacitances are charged at this time, as I indicated in my last image, from the Red Arrow to the Black Arrow is the Energy "Generation" Cycle, because the Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field is responsible for the "Generation" of Energy, and because this Configuration, Two Output Coils, can allow for very fast changes, because of the very low AC Resistance we see this big Spike.



I think we would agree that if no capacitance was present, the voltage would rise to infinity. 


Yes.


Next, the energy stored in Coss is now discharged or shuttled back into the same secondary which results in the opposite polarity of current in the secondary winding.  Then, via some means of delay, the other secondary is allowed to turn off and with the right combination of PM flux bias in the core, gap energy, leakage inductance, core perm and overall timing, the result is the average output current being close to dc.



This is part yes and a part no. The Total Charge being delivered and the Total Charge coming back will only occur at Current Zero Cross, will it not?

An example:
   Discharging a pulse into a LC Resonant Tank can only occur if the potential of the Pulse is greater than the value of the Potential of the LC Tank at that point in time.

Other wise, no Pulse will be delivered.

So, in the below image, the small Black portion of the wave, after the Red Arrow, is where Current is moving back from the Output Capacitance into the Coil again. Before that, Current is being delivered to the Output Capacitances.



I've attached a sim below that demonstrates what I'm stating above.  This sim does include PM core bias, leakage inductance, nonlinear cores utilizing gyrator/capacitor models.  Behavioral voltage or BV sources are used for the nonlinear capacitors that model the nonlinear cores along with doing some calculations but we'll skip how this type of modeling works.  It can be a little difficult to follow so I'll
explain the important details.

The current fed full bridge inverter drives the primary.  Each side of the primary is displayed in the plot as V(ps) and V(pf) and if summed together would be sine wave with a small delay at the zero crossing.  Plot math is seen for V(eout), I(L1), and V(pin) and is used as follows.  The BV source B3 calculates the Pin and can be seen to be 2.3593v which really should be read as ~2.36w because the output of BV equations will always be indicated in volts.  The output voltage V(eout) is 9.824v dc which equates to a Pout=4.83w for a COP=2.05.  Compare this to the dc power input of .324 * 40 = 12.96w and also note the reactive power in the primary of ~65w rms. 

Although the waveforms are slightly different compared to G's MIT, the concept is the same with the resulting negative offset in the output current waveform I(V6).

pm



A nice Circuit Partzman, looks good in many areas. However, I am sorry, either I don't understand what you're trying to show, or if I do, then I don't agree that this circuit is close to Gunny's or my work at all. This circuit misses all the characteristics of "Generating" Electrical Energy! Maybe its more like "Winson Ali" line of work? http://www.winsonali.com/



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« Reply #7585 on: January 02, 2017, 10:53:25 PM »
Chris,

Before we leave the MEI device previously posted, I have several comments before discussing the attached scope pix.

I was a little surprised that you didn't mention the buck configuration of the secondaries in the ME3V_25F schematic.  These windings however do not operate as one might assume from their connected polarities but are rather unique in their operation. 

The basic MEI device can be modeled as two back-to-back delay lines with the common (primary L2) open circuited and the outside secondaries connected in various configurations to a load.  Due to this structure, the primary L2 couples to the secondaries L1/L3 via the distributed capacitance between the windings and therefore, the device appears as a capacitive reactance to anything connected to it's input.  As a result, the distributed displacement currents (so called) operate in a unique manner in the low side secondary, in this case L1, in that positive current flows out each end of L1 while L3 operates in a normal manner comparatively.  In addition, the phase of the voltage (not shown) at the junction of L1/L3 is difficult to explain due to these unique interactions within the coils.  IMO, the excess energy and the >90 degree phase shift between the input current and voltage is due to energy extraction from the aether in the distributed capacitance between windings.

Now, in regards to the current usefulness of this device, I've attached a scope pix of a version with certain changes that operates from a pulsed input and dc supply.  CH1(yel) is the input pulse, CH2(blu) is the input current to the device, CH3(pnk) is the output voltage across 51 ohm non-inductive load, and the Math(red) channel is the instantaneous input power over time and shown in mean watts.  It can be seen that the input current is negative for ~50% of the input pulse positive duty cycle and this negative energy can be (and is) recirculated back to the supply with proper circuit design.  The resulting pulsed input power is 88.52mw.  The output power calculates to 145mw resulting in a COP of 1.64.  With refined improvements including power output, the device could be integrated into or added to cell phones or other mobile devices for perpetual charging. 

pm     




PartzMan - NOW were talking!!!

YOU Have completely nailed the whole point of what I have tried to bring to the table: "unique interactions"

The Magnetic Field, changing in Time, is the Pumping Action, Electrons/Charged Particles are Pumped by the Magnetic Field!

Two Coils in a Transformer show Symmetry, Three Coils in a Transformer show Asymmetry, where Two Coils are Partnered Output Coils, can Increase the Conductivity and invoke Excess Energy Output.

Many Configurations work, many don't, but as long as there are Two Coils acting Together, Electromagnetic Induction, and other things like Magnetic Fields, Frequency and so on are satisfied then this works!

Electrical Energy is Pumped, once state X is reached, then Electromagnetic Induction occurs again for a second time, between the Partnered Output Coils.

I agree, a Capacitive Reactance does exist between these Coils, They have Capacity, I have said that before.

Please forgive me, I am slow today, not thinking as clearly as I would like. Some of what I am typing is not coming out right.


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« Reply #7586 on: January 03, 2017, 06:57:03 PM »



Hi PartzMan, Energy Conservation is real, its valid, it is a Law that binds all Non Asymmetric Machines!

I agree and will add that it can be used to create OU when properly applied such as in circuits that achieve clockwise BH curve rotation.

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I don't agree with the terminology, the Field is not "Collapsing" - It is a Forced Full Reversal (in approx. 400us) with slightly less amplitude. Yes the Field's Between the Two Output Coils Buck, Currents are in Opposite Directions.

The Current Spike is a direct result of a Very Fast Change in the Output Coils Magnetic Fields, again about 400us.

Here we can agree to disagree if I understand your position.  My question is what causes the "forced full reversal" you mention?  My view is that charging an inductor in any configuration results in a local stress of the aether.  When the charge source potential is removed, the stressed aether attempts to return to it's prior state due to COE.  This action can be seen by viewing the various fields, voltages and currents during this action which is demonstrated in the attached scope pix.

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Yes, the Output Capacitances are charged at this time, as I indicated in my last image, from the Red Arrow to the Black Arrow is the Energy "Generation" Cycle, because the Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field is responsible for the "Generation" of Energy, and because this Configuration, Two Output Coils, can allow for very fast changes, because of the very low AC Resistance we see this big Spike.

Yes.

This is part yes and a part no. The Total Charge being delivered and the Total Charge coming back will only occur at Current Zero Cross, will it not?

I think I agree but I'm not certain about your statement.  Viewing the scope pix makes it clear that the energy once contained in the inductor has now been transferred to the circuit capacitance at the current zero crossing.  I believe this is what you meant.
 
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An example:
   Discharging a pulse into a LC Resonant Tank can only occur if the potential of the Pulse is greater than the value of the Potential of the LC Tank at that point in time.

Other wise, no Pulse will be delivered.

Here I will disagree but again I may not be fully understanding your point.  A resonant network IMO can be fed additional energy at any point in time with numerous methods depending on the circuitry used.   

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So, in the below image, the small Black portion of the wave, after the Red Arrow, is where Current is moving back from the Output Capacitance into the Coil again. Before that, Current is being delivered to the Output Capacitances.

Yes.

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A nice Circuit Partzman, looks good in many areas. However, I am sorry, either I don't understand what you're trying to show, or if I do, then I don't agree that this circuit is close to Gunny's or my work at all. This circuit misses all the characteristics of "Generating" Electrical Energy! Maybe its more like "Winson Ali" line of work? http://www.winsonali.com/

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Thanks and I apologize for the sim due to it's odd modeling.  No, it will not produce any excess energy due to the software being written to obey classical laws, but it really does model G's device with a fair amount of reasonable accuracy.  I wish we had a view of Graham's simulation he mentioned.

Regarding the scope pix, the inductor used is a 2"OD ferrite with 2 windings.  One winding is driven while the other is shorted allowing us to produce a fast pulse due to the small leakage inductance between the windings.  CH1(yel) being the gate drive pulse for the mosfet switch, CH2(blu) is the voltage at the mosfet drain, CH3(pnk) is the dc voltage supplying the coil, and CH4(grn) is the coil current measured with a current probe.

BC1 shows the charging phase of Lleak and from this we can derive the inductance using L=E*t/di = 139.4uH.

BC2 shows a magnified view of the collapse event and that the peak current reached in Lleak = 316.6ma resulting in a stored energy of 6.98uJ.

BC3 allows us to reasonably calculate the Coss of the mosfet using C=i*t/de = 59.4pfd.

BC4 allows us to calculate the energy stored in Coss to be 6.29uJ for a transfer efficiency of 90.1%.  Note the rise of voltage on CH3 due to lead inductance which accounts for some of the loss.  Also note that the current is near zero crossing but slightly out of phase due to the above lead inductance.  IMO, the collapsing magnetic field due to aether stress relief has now transferred most of the energy created in Lleak during the charging phase.

BC5 simply shows the energy transfer from Coss to Lleak which ends up in this case to be 5.25uJ.

I think where we differ in our views is the mechanism that creates the initial current decrease or collapse in the inductance.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7587 on: January 03, 2017, 09:16:20 PM »
I agree and will add that it can be used to create OU when properly applied such as in circuits that achieve clockwise BH curve rotation.

Here we can agree to disagree if I understand your position.  My question is what causes the "forced full reversal" you mention?  My view is that charging an inductor in any configuration results in a local stress of the aether.  When the charge source potential is removed, the stressed aether attempts to return to it's prior state due to COE.  This action can be seen by viewing the various fields, voltages and currents during this action which is demonstrated in the attached scope pix.

I think I agree but I'm not certain about your statement.  Viewing the scope pix makes it clear that the energy once contained in the inductor has now been transferred to the circuit capacitance at the current zero crossing.  I believe this is what you meant.
 
Here I will disagree but again I may not be fully understanding your point.  A resonant network IMO can be fed additional energy at any point in time with numerous methods depending on the circuitry used.   

Yes.

Thanks and I apologize for the sim due to it's odd modeling.  No, it will not produce any excess energy due to the software being written to obey classical laws, but it really does model G's device with a fair amount of reasonable accuracy.  I wish we had a view of Graham's simulation he mentioned.

Regarding the scope pix, the inductor used is a 2"OD ferrite with 2 windings.  One winding is driven while the other is shorted allowing us to produce a fast pulse due to the small leakage inductance between the windings.  CH1(yel) being the gate drive pulse for the mosfet switch, CH2(blu) is the voltage at the mosfet drain, CH3(pnk) is the dc voltage supplying the coil, and CH4(grn) is the coil current measured with a current probe.

BC1 shows the charging phase of Lleak and from this we can derive the inductance using L=E*t/di = 139.4uH.

BC2 shows a magnified view of the collapse event and that the peak current reached in Lleak = 316.6ma resulting in a stored energy of 6.98uJ.

BC3 allows us to reasonably calculate the Coss of the mosfet using C=i*t/de = 59.4pfd.

BC4 allows us to calculate the energy stored in Coss to be 6.29uJ for a transfer efficiency of 90.1%.  Note the rise of voltage on CH3 due to lead inductance which accounts for some of the loss.  Also note that the current is near zero crossing but slightly out of phase due to the above lead inductance.  IMO, the collapsing magnetic field due to aether stress relief has now transferred most of the energy created in Lleak during the charging phase.

BC5 simply shows the energy transfer from Coss to Lleak which ends up in this case to be 5.25uJ.

I think where we differ in our views is the mechanism that creates the initial current decrease or collapse in the inductance.

pm





Hi PartzMan - If I may say, I find it odd, your thinking surrounding the entire Electrical Energy discussion we have had, does not spend any time on the "Generation" of Electrical Energy?

All your posts focus on the direct injection of Charge, into Coils/Capacitors and shuttling this already "Generated" Electrical Energy around. Clearly you know your Electronics inside out and back to front, you know your Math inside out and back to front, which I commend you for! You're well ahead of me in this area!


Thinking out loud here: Generalising

Electronics enforces a tainting, a subconscious mentality, that we must use a V/I Source, already Charged with "Generated" Electrical Energy! If the Source is not Charged, it is "Dead" - Terminology implying that it is no longer of use.

There is a series of CLOSED DOORS at every point, as soon as any Electrical Energy is "Generated", it is called a Parasitic Inductance - Implying it is no use and not wanted, not desirable!

An of course in many cases a Parasitic Inductance might be undesirable for the Circuit as it will change the Characteristics of the Circuit, introducing Noise, damaging Hardware and so on!



Question:

   Does a Parasitic Inductance follow the same Laws as Electromagnetic Induction, and does Electromagnetic Induction not Charge our V/I Source? The one we consider "Dead" if it is not Charged?



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7588 on: January 04, 2017, 09:28:20 PM »


An example, Parasitic Inductance, best I have seen is actually TK's, where an EMF is "Generated" in a Wire Wound Resistor that was used as a Current Sensing Resistor.

Electric OU: Spurious Current Amplitudes Caused By Inductive Current Sense Resistors

TK has done an excellent job showing us so many wonderful things over the many years he has shared his knowledge.

Again, the Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field, which is the Current Flow which is also changing in Time, the Current IS the Magnetic Field, induces an EMF in the Conductors in the Proximity, in accordance to the equation: E.M.F = -N dPhiB/dt

So, again, we want exactly this effect, we want Electromagnetic Induction, between two Current Carrying Conductors, Partnered Output Coils, increasing the Total Electromagnetic Induction, and also because of Asymmetry back on the Primary, and the Symmetry of the Partnered Output Coils, showing very little, or no Reflectance back on the Primary.

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« Reply #7589 on: January 05, 2017, 10:46:49 PM »
Hi Chris thanks , by cumpliments . Wish you a great new year !



Hi Nelson, I wonder if you would like to explain how the below Circuit works?

There is some similarity to one of my early experiments: My Experiment from a long time ago

For those that wish to learn a little more, Nelson has a Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S4lCUvzn0E and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjK6OlYO9Aw


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