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Offline l0stf0x

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7455 on: November 09, 2016, 08:16:44 AM »
Hey EMJunkie, you are very welcome, But I did the obvious!
What we do here is for common good.. sharing is the strong base to build.

Mr. Bedini by the way was a great paradigm of sharing.

This explanation from Floyd Sweet fits exactly with the magnet's roll is our system.. the tidal kinetic energy in our case is the magnetic field of the magnet !!

Actually there are 2 cases of how the magnet could be helping in the system. One is the example you post.
and the other is the case of .. the magnet act as stopper of the smaller tidals that are coming from the opposite direction of the ships direction (using your example), something like magnetic diode imagine. Because if you add another one on the same core either by extending the strength of the first one or either applying it on another point on core you get either no change or more input current needed.
This needs testing too :)

But in any case of the two the magnet's field helps.

Thank you EmJunkie, You are leaving library!! You scare me some times ;)
« Last Edit: November 09, 2016, 10:51:16 AM by l0stf0x »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7455 on: November 09, 2016, 08:16:44 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7456 on: November 09, 2016, 09:19:31 AM »



I am a very happy man to hear that you can see that L0stf0x!!!

Yes, my goal is to try to share with others what I have learned, but not direct others, merely to give guidance or a path ahead, if its what they are looking for. We are all our own leaders and we are all just as important as the next person.

I am a student of life and I try to listen, and I am guided by, all. Some of what I have posted is not always 100% correct, as I have learnt a lot along my path also, but I have always tried to post the most accurate detailed data I can, most all of it has been some result of my experiments.

That Voice within, its very much more powerful than many think! Some follow it, some ignore it.

After turbulent times ahead, we will have such a glorious future! I agree, we are leaving a Blue Print for the future. It really is them that we work for!


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P.S: A Magnetic Diode is a good analogy! I like that.

P.P.S: If I told you how many times I have read the Floyd Sweet Papers before I understood them you would laugh at me! Its only because I had some understanding of these Coils before I obtained the Papers, that I could understand as much as I have. It works, as we have been told, it takes a lot of understanding and observation, but it works! John.K1 was spot on in his observations with the MrPreva Circuit, this is part of the solution as we already know. The other is a combination of frequency, turns and the strength of the Magnetic field. Mostly Faradays law of Electromagnetic Induction.






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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7457 on: November 09, 2016, 10:18:06 AM »

Still waiting for you guys to surpass my 80% efficiency on the simple circuit we started with.
How are you coming along with your builds / results???

Regards Itsu

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« Reply #7457 on: November 09, 2016, 10:18:06 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7458 on: November 09, 2016, 09:30:36 PM »
Still waiting for you guys to surpass my 80% efficiency on the simple circuit we started with.
How are you coming along with your builds / results???

Regards Itsu




Hi Itsu,

Back in 2011 I posted results: http://overunity.com/10773/physicsprof-steven-e-jones-circuit-shows-8x-overunity/msg289287/#msg289287

19 times more Electrical Energy out than I put in. I show Scope shots there also.

If you study this closely, there are many correlations to this circuit and Partnered Output Coils, why?

Mosfett Gate Capacitance and Capacitor C1's, Capacitance in the Trigger Coil keep the Coil in a High State for some time during the Cycle, At switch off, where you see the Spike in the output wave, the two coils become Partnered Output Coils.

You can see, there is some similarity, a large sharp Spike in my Sinusoidal wave form, in my scope shots to Graham Gunderson's MIT Scope Shots, but 5 years before, when I was working with Professor Steven Jones, Replicating his work.

You will also see that the Input Current is Sinusoidal in nature, indicating Reactive, Ping Pong Power Component! VR2 plays an important role, this only works if one is not over driving the Coils, Limiting the Current on the Input, so as to not over drive the Coils, Over Driving the Coils presents a Non Working Device.

I have reposted here for your convenience.


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NOTE: I have only one scope, 2 Channel, measurements were taken separately from input to output. No ground loops were present.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7459 on: November 09, 2016, 10:01:08 PM »


Huh?  I was under the impression that we as a team would start building the simple circuit that was presented here:
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg493565/#msg493565

I build severall versions now with a max efficiency of about 80%.

According to comments that is the bare minimum and there should be room for improvements.

Up till now i have not seen any other results from you guys of this simple circuit so therefor my question  "How are you coming along with your builds / results???"

Regards Itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7460 on: November 09, 2016, 10:18:12 PM »

Huh?  I was under the impression that we as a team would start building the simple circuit that was presented here:
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg493565/#msg493565

I build severall versions now with a max efficiency of about 80%.

According to comments that is the bare minimum and there should be room for improvements.

Up till now i have not seen any other results from you guys of this simple circuit so therefor my question  "How are you coming along with your builds / results???"

Regards Itsu






Yes, you're quite right, apologies.

I was merely pointing out that 80% has been well surpassed already:


Still waiting for you guys to surpass my 80% efficiency on the simple circuit we started with.


Also trying to give constructive push for all experimenters, with some observations that will be of use. For if we work blindly, then we are fumbling in the dark.

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P.S: I did make a suggestion to make use of prior advances I had already made in earlier years: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg494080/#msg494080


@Partnered Output Coil Research Team (POCRT) ;)

We could start by learning from works of old. The Joule Thief Circuit could be optimised in accordance to works just shown.

The advancements I made with Physics Professor Steven E Jones, replicating his work, we could learn from those works.

Below is a simple Circuit that uses my implementation of the Steven E Jones Circuit with POC's.

There are two implementations of this circuit, one where L2 and L3 could be the same Coil. Thus eliminating one Coil in your device.

Note: I have only one scope, I will be taking measurements separately from Input to Output. If you have Earth leads on both Input Earth and Output Earth at the same time, there is going to be a Ground Loop. So be wary of this possibility.




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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7461 on: November 10, 2016, 12:54:04 AM »
Hi guys!

Itsu for me the important point here is to, as a teamwork, to share and improve around the bucking field concept (POC) It is not necessary to stay stick at the first concept. Lostfox already have made great improvement by changing the core configuration, adding ground coil, etc. ...

I have not share so much right now cause i just dont have much spare time to give to it... Im not retired so i work everyday to bring the bread at home ;)

With that said im still working on it in my head and will build it when having the time with the improvement lostfox and other will bring to this community.

Im still hopping other quiet builders (cause im sure there are many) will jump with us when they acheyve something "unusual" with this POC so we can improve the concept together.

Ciao!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7462 on: November 10, 2016, 01:51:52 AM »
Hi guys!

Itsu for me the important point here is to, as a teamwork, to share and improve around the bucking field concept (POC) It is not necessary to stay stick at the first concept. Lostfox already have made great improvement by changing the core configuration, adding ground coil, etc. ...

I have not share so much right now cause i just dont have much spare time to give to it... Im not retired so i work everyday to bring the bread at home ;)

With that said im still working on it in my head and will build it when having the time with the improvement lostfox and other will bring to this community.

Im still hopping other quiet builders (cause im sure there are many) will jump with us when they acheyve something "unusual" with this POC so we can improve the concept together.

Ciao!



Agreed Wistiti, Observe and learn from what's right in front of you, keep trying, keep learning, see what makes it better, like I said, try limiting Input Current, or increasing it.

Add turns to the Coils, or remove some, adjust Frequency...

Again, the rules of Electromagnetic Induction, Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field, faster the field more V and therefore I...

Look at the direction of the Currents in the Coils, like I have said many times now, observe the Fields at time t and see what's going on.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7463 on: November 10, 2016, 05:19:59 AM »



An analogy:

Think of Partnered Output Coils as a Kettle Full of Water.

You can only get X Volume of Water out of the Kettle - The Parameters of Electromagnetic Induction! (Magnetic Field Strength, Time Rate of Change, of it, Turns, Resistance of the Turns and so on...)

If one were to put more water into the Kettle, than one could get out of the kettle, then we see a Leaky Vessel, there is no real use to what we are doing, Water is wasted!

If one were to put a little Water in, then this Volume of Water would be less than we potentially get out of the Kettle. What I mean here, is that you cant over drive this technology, at least as far as I have seen, there are limiting parameters, where the Total Potential output can only be up to a certain value.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7464 on: November 10, 2016, 08:44:54 AM »
@ Wistiti, :) Yeah I understand you!
The free time is a major enemy in what we doing. But You can rely on me and Itsu, specially Itsu with his great experience and great instruments that he has and of course EmJunkie (the knowledge Giant) to en-light and help us.. So don't worry we are a cool team here ;) Take your time :)

@ Itsu, :) I will tell you my understandings until now..
 At the straight ferrite core, waves from primaries and secondaries are mixed together, no mater how well you will tune it. All the waves travel accross the same pool (a mess of waves). And there is the problem in my opinion, the waves of primaries disturb the natural gain working of POC arangement at secondaries. I have done already more than 6 variations on the straight ferrite core with no good results. In my opinion the straight ferrite core is a waste of time.

I know, building transformers and testing takes much more effort and time than trying different circuits. But as I show at my video this 3 core setup is very easy to make, its easily changeable for testings and is working.
It will be great if you could verify it with your cool instruments :)


@ Team
I am about to order all materials, parts and modules that I need to make a better POC transformer and be fitted in a closed loop system (using pure sine inverter). I know, you think that its too early to talk about "closed looping", but I believe we are close.

So while I waiting for the parts, I will try to clear up the earth connection (with the same 3 core setup), because this -0.05A is buzzing my mind. What I know for sure is that the voltage in battery go crazy and its impossible to take a measurement. What that means? Maybe AC is trying to bypass the battery? Maybe I need to place a diode or two? Capacitors?

I ll be back.









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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7465 on: November 10, 2016, 04:32:01 PM »

Thanks for the comments guys, i understand your positions and enthusiasm.

My position however is somewhat different as that i am just a simple replicator.

I try to replicate circuits / contraptions etc. from which the "inventor" says that it "makes more light coming out then put in" (whatever that means), or
"the voltage will rise over time", or "there is more output then input" or "the cop = >1" etc. etc.

I must have made over 100 replications these last years, and in ALL cases (so 100%) i was not able to replicate the claimed effect.
Even when the inventor was around and able and willing to provide guidance, which is mostly NOT the case as suddenly the inventor has dissappeared, does not react on questions
or keeps on producing similar but different contraptions at a high rate, unable to be verified.

I understand that you guys promote to be creative and try different setups etc. to find "the effect", but thats not me.

I need a fixed setup from something that the inventor claims it does something special and i thought lostfox / wistiti claimed that in the by me above linked circuit diagram.
My tests of this circuit shows after 3 different build a max. efficiency of 80% and i understand from your comments that that is low.
So please show me a working setup that does better and i will try to replicate.

In the mean time, by all means try to be as creative and "out of the box thinking" as you possible can to reach the ultimate goal: "excess energy"



Regards Itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7466 on: November 10, 2016, 11:44:47 PM »
Thanks for the comments guys, i understand your positions and enthusiasm.

My position however is somewhat different as that i am just a simple replicator.

I try to replicate circuits / contraptions etc. from which the "inventor" says that it "makes more light coming out then put in" (whatever that means), or
"the voltage will rise over time", or "there is more output then input" or "the cop = >1" etc. etc.

I must have made over 100 replications these last years, and in ALL cases (so 100%) i was not able to replicate the claimed effect.
Even when the inventor was around and able and willing to provide guidance, which is mostly NOT the case as suddenly the inventor has dissappeared, does not react on questions
or keeps on producing similar but different contraptions at a high rate, unable to be verified.

I understand that you guys promote to be creative and try different setups etc. to find "the effect", but thats not me.

I need a fixed setup from something that the inventor claims it does something special and i thought lostfox / wistiti claimed that in the by me above linked circuit diagram.
My tests of this circuit shows after 3 different build a max. efficiency of 80% and i understand from your comments that that is low.
So please show me a working setup that does better and i will try to replicate.

In the mean time, by all means try to be as creative and "out of the box thinking" as you possible can to reach the ultimate goal: "excess energy"



Regards Itsu







Hey Itsu - Please don't take this the wrong way, I mean to be constructive, not destructive!

In the last 2 years we have seen more proof, than ever before - I think we would have to agree on this point!

Because Graham Gunderson has the best measurement data and equipment I have to start with him first. We know pretty much everything there is that needs to be known about this device. Graham held no secrets, gave to the world all he knows about his MIT.

It is as I have said for 5 odd years, Three Coils:
   1: Input Coil - LCR Resonant, Reactive Power.
   2: Two Output Coils, Partnered Output Coils.
   3: A little bit of Circuitry for Timing.

Has anyone been able to replicate Grahams work, COP = 8.3 / 1.5 = 5.53, none have as of yet. At least as far as we know. Many are trying, but all gave up before getting to the Finish Line - Why do people give up so easy? Why do people even try, if they are not going to stick it out?

As Wistiti has pointed out, time is an issue, Income is another, and people just do not have enough patience and insight to get to the next step. Lack of fundamental observations, a total lack of proper understanding of fundamental concepts.

Look, I cant stress enough, the basic understanding is so extremely important! You need to understand basic Electromagnetic Induction, its a CRITICAL basic step, you need to know what you're working towards - I have tried to explain this so many times, provided a TON of Data, Videos and Papers from our piers!

Graham Gunderson tells you the same things, watch carefully his videos, look at the differences from the First one to the Second one, Graham makes a massive swing to Electromagnetic Induction as the main principles although he does briefly cover them in the first video.

Energy is Pumped not Made in the Inductor, after all, what is an Inductor, what's the definition?

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noun: inductor; plural noun: inductors

1. A component in an electric or electronic circuit which possesses inductance.

2. A substance that promotes an equilibrium reaction by reacting with one of the substances produced.




Ok, what's an Inductance?



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/ɪnˈdʌkt(ə)ns/

noun Physics

noun: inductance; plural noun: inductances


the property of an electric conductor or circuit that causes an electromotive force to be generated by a change in the current flowing.
"the inductance of the winding"


•a component with the property of inductance.




Again this is basic fundamentals, if you want it, you're going to have to learn some of this, unless you're super lucky and get it right the first time. Then you wont be able to replicate it or trouble shoot it if needed.

Energy comes from Mass/Energy Equivalence! It is Einstein's E = MC2 - I have covered this so many times in the last two years, here. See: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg469023/#msg469023


96 Times is the max downloads of the Documents I provide there, no one is interested except those 96 people. it should be 1 Million by now!


After some 439 Pages, I hope we have now got a message of hope through to people running blindly down dark alley ways!

Induction is Induction, Electrical Energy comes directly from Matter/Mass - This is known as Mass/Energy Equivalence! It is Einstein's E = MC2

Surely the supporting evidence I have provided give's at least some people a step in the right direction:

Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 1
Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 2
Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 3

Electric Motors DC Motors and Generators - Part 1 - 1961 US Army Training Film
Electric Motors AC Motors and Generators - Part 2 - 1961 US Army Training Film
Electricity & Electronics - Current - 1974 US Air Force Training Film
Electricity & Electronics - Voltage - 1974 US Air Force Training Film
How Magnets Produce Electricity - 1954 US Navy Training Film

So, two equations, two ways of Inducing an EMF in a Conductor: EMF = Bvl and EMF = dPhi/dt

Here I show you some basic first principals: Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation

and, some more Principles: Opposing Magnetic Field Interactions - Partnered Output Coil

Three Coils:
   1: Input Coil
   2: Partnered Output Coils - Two Coils working together to Self Assist in the Frequency of Operation!

A good example of this is given here: Partnered Output Coils: Anti-Lenz effect - from: Юрий Лиховид (Yuri Likhovid) - Orriginally invented by Wistiti - Partnered Output Coil Toroid Feb 25, 2015

Note: There must be Current flowing in the Partnered Output Coils for this to work!

Please, always remember, Lenz's Law is a Magnetic Drag, fix the Magnetic Drag and you have got Free Energy!!! Magnetic Field is Current Flowing in the Coil Conductor.

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P.S: When others are set in their ways, its not just their Potential that they limit, its others that listen to their advise. See with Logic and open Eyes, not through others.




Following a Schematic is not enough with this Tech!

All devices vary some what!

All devices will have different characteristics, these I can only put down to changes in Local Environment, Magnetic/Gravitational and other...

You need to, and cant get away from, fiddle to make this work, there is no way around it, like tuning a Guitar, three winds on the third string is not going to get you to a perfect G!!!


Its just silly to think this way!


ALL you need is:

   1: Three Inductors, one Input Coil, Two Output Coils - Partnered Output Coils
   2: A Source of Excitation - LC Resonance, or DC Switching of some kind on the Input Coil.
   3: Patience and Observations of the most basic fundamentals. Current directions, Turns, Field Strengths and so on.


I have learnt one thing I cant stress enough, if one can not replicate an experiment, its is by no means any sort of proof that the Device does not work, it's only proof that one's experiment has failed to replicate the Device.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7467 on: November 11, 2016, 01:34:25 AM »



I am quite disappointed that the Thread "http://overunity.com/16724/graham-gundersons-energy-conference-presentation-most-impressive-and-mysterious" has stalled. I can only imagine Graham is as disappointed if not more so!

Its really sad that you, the researches here, are potentially going to let this slip through your fingers. Its very sad that there has been some work on the Circuit and nearly no work on the device.

Like I said, a $14 Microcontroller could be used to generate the same signals, I even offered to program it!

Some Data I Posted Here: http://overunity.com/16724/graham-gundersons-energy-conference-presentation-most-impressive-and-mysterious/msg488374/#msg488374 - My initial guess at turns was not quite spot on:

No one has analysed the Coils, none have bought up any points about the device that are critical to understanding the device, all the important stuff, not one here has covered! Not one here has bought any important Data or analysis to the table at all!

E.G: Turn Ratio's which by the way is (Between 2:1 and 3:1 Approx - Step Down) - But, the Input Voltage is 312.7 and Output Voltage is only 9.46 Volts (Sync Rectification is the Reason)

Primary:
12 + 13 + 12 + 13 + 12 = 62 Turns, 75 Turns if another Layer of 13 is present. of Litz Wire, about #2 AWG (6.54304 mm) @ approx 0.512664 Ohms per KM.


Secondaries:
7 + 9 + 11 = 27 Turns x 4 Strand's of about #10 AWG X 2 Sets (Partnered Output Coils) - Each Set is divided into 3 Sets.


So you know, I have done a lot of this work, based on the Input:

Voltage: 312.7
Current: 1.647
Watts Active: 2.0

Phase Angle: 89.6982242524782 degrees. (Φ)
Inductive Reactance XL: 189.858 in Ohms. (Ω)
Capacitive Reactance XC: 189.857718695676 in Ohms. (Ω)
Impedance (Z): 0.999986129490823+j189.858 in Ohms. (Ω)
Inductance (L): 0.000604335888291346 Henries. (H)
Real Resistance: 0.999986129490823 in Ohms. (Ω)
LC Network Capacitance: 1.67657068867457E-13 in Farads. (F)

A quick check shows my figures are pretty close: V * I * COS(Theta) = 312.7 * 1.647 * COS(89.6982242524782) = 2.7125940123 Active Watts

My Error Margin is: +0.7125940123

No one here has detailed the Current Flows Graham has shown. Although some of it is incomplete, none has shown any Field Analysis! No one has calculated the Approx Inductances of the Coils!

If you people want it, you are really going to have to do a lot better than this!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7468 on: November 11, 2016, 06:35:53 AM »



If I were replicating the MIT - I would have started with the Output Coils.

I would have implemented LC Resonant Input Coil.

I would have looked at the Output Coil Circuit, studied it intensely and replicated that first! Which is what we just covered with thanks to John.K1, on the MrPreva Circuit. There is a lot of information to learn there. Opposing Current Flows in Coils like this, Partnered Output Coils, where Electromagnetic Induction is the Source leads to Power Gains greater than Unity, very clearly seen above!!!

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« Reply #7469 on: November 11, 2016, 08:45:58 AM »
#7534 : Energy comes from Mass/Energy Equivalence! It is Einstein's E = MC[/size]2 - I have covered this so many times in the last two years, here. See: [/size]http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg469023/#msg469023[/font][/size]


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 Lorentz Force = Nuclear /Atomic Force : m = decay result from M1 to M2
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