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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7395 on: October 21, 2016, 12:33:20 AM »
Here my 3th build, again with the 20/2cm rod, 2x 100 turns bucking secondaries, but now with the bifilar primary slidable across the secondaries.
Together with the 1KOhm potmeter i can adjust/tune both the frequency and input power as well as the coupling between the primary and the secondaries.

The both secondary bucking coils measure 1574uH and have a 1mm gap between them, see picture.
 
After many settings/positions of the potmeter/primary coil, the max. efficiency comes to 44%.
This max. efficiency is when the primary is straight over the secondary with the OTHER winding direction (40% versus 44%).

No real peaks or dips are found when sliding the primary along the both secondaries.

The reduced efficiency compared with the first 63% probably is due to again the coupling factor primary/secondary as now there is about 0.5mm mylar between the
primary and secondary while in the first attempt (63%) the primary was directly wound over the secondary.

I measured the current in both legs of the output coils, see diagram below with probes in red, with the primary exactly in the middle.
The resulting currents can be seen in the screenshot, where white is the current in one leg, and green the current in the other leg.
I believe this shows that the currents are opposite to each other, so in bucking mode.
Trying to measure the magnetic field with a hall sensor gives distorted readings, i believe due to the primary near by.


Will fiddle around with this setup for a while.


Regards Itsu






@Itsu - There are huge problems in your circuit. With respect, this is very likely due to a lack of understanding of the Coils and what they are supposed to do:


The BIGGEST Problem that you (People that don't yet get this) is that Conventionally, BUCKING means no Electric Field on the Output, which is the Conventional idea behind the term Bucking - That's why I don't use the Term!!!

This thinking (Bucking) is Wrong! Period! - Fields Oppose for a totally different reason! I have already explained why - Lenz's Law, Flow of Current. E.G: Magnetic Field.


You HAVE to stop thinking "Driving the Coils with Current" - Think Induction! An EMF is Induced.... Not Wired to "BUCK", the Coils oppose because of Lenz's Law... Wired to Add Electrically, but the Magnetic Fields Oppose...



I recommend you build and study the latest works we did with the MrPreva Circuit and also study very closely what Floyd Sweet says here:


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Current is deemed as a quantity or number of charged particles moving from P1 to P2 in time t, or as the charge transferred in one second by a current of one ampere. The coulomb is the charge on 6.24 x 1018 electrons. Electric fields are due to the presence of charges. Magnetic field effects are due to the motion of charges. Current is the net rate of flow of positive charges. This is a scalar quantity.

In the specific case of positive charges moving to the right and negative charges to the left, the effect of both actions is positive charge moving to the right. Current to the right is: I = + da+/dt + da-/dt. Negative electrons flowing to the left contribute to the current flowing to the right.



A quick throw together of the MrPreva Circuit showed 82% Efficency as is, thats not with any work other than a straight replication.

Current (I) = Voltage (V) / Resistance (R) - so the Voltage stepped up 3x with sufficent lack of Resistance will increase this result.

When I say: "sufficent lack of Resistance" - this is Coil Resistance and Load Resistance! A Coil of 100 Ohms, with a Potential of 1 Volt, will have a max Current of 0.01 Ampere.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7395 on: October 21, 2016, 12:33:20 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7396 on: October 21, 2016, 03:04:28 AM »
Here my 3th build, again with the 20/2cm rod, 2x 100 turns bucking secondaries, but now with the bifilar primary slidable across the secondaries.
Together with the 1KOhm potmeter i can adjust/tune both the frequency and input power as well as the coupling between the primary and the secondaries.

The both secondary bucking coils measure 1574uH and have a 1mm gap between them, see picture.
 
After many settings/positions of the potmeter/primary coil, the max. efficiency comes to 44%.
This max. efficiency is when the primary is straight over the secondary with the OTHER winding direction (40% versus 44%).

No real peaks or dips are found when sliding the primary along the both secondaries.

The reduced efficiency compared with the first 63% probably is due to again the coupling factor primary/secondary as now there is about 0.5mm mylar between the
primary and secondary while in the first attempt (63%) the primary was directly wound over the secondary.

I measured the current in both legs of the output coils, see diagram below with probes in red, with the primary exactly in the middle.
The resulting currents can be seen in the screenshot, where white is the current in one leg, and green the current in the other leg.
I believe this shows that the currents are opposite to each other, so in bucking mode.
Trying to measure the magnetic field with a hall sensor gives distorted readings, i believe due to the primary near by.


Will fiddle around with this setup for a while.


Regards Itsu

Ayeayeaye!!!
Poor result itsu....
So i think we have to beat this 63%... Maybe this first setup have to be replaced by a new different one..?
Anyway, thank you for sharing your experiment and for being in the builder team! :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7397 on: October 21, 2016, 02:06:15 PM »
@Itsu - don't be disappointed, its obvious that the setup has problems..

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I made a mistake at the balancer description.. You can't use 2 same coils as bucking coils (lets say the secondaries of two identical transformers).. you need to unwind the one and wind it opposite direction. Except if they are extracted from inductor electronic component which use opposite wounded coils.

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I found 3 identical transformers in a core (its a 3 phase transformer) and their primaries are perfect for primaries.. I already unwounded the one and wound it again to be opposite direction.. I will keep the third for testing it as is for later testing.

The wire width of primaries is ~0.8mm (is a bit big.. anyway)

For the secondaries I got two sizes of wire... 1.3mm or 2mm.  I will start with the 1.2mm first.

Now, I am about to balance the primaries, then I will wound the secondaries and balance them too.

The transformer will be probably ready by tomorrow..

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7398 on: October 21, 2016, 04:35:30 PM »
I was lucky with the spool sizes and with a little trimming of the plastic edges.. the primaries are perfectly (and evenly) fitted inside the bigger spool.
Now its easier to wind the secondaries on the big reel :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7399 on: October 21, 2016, 05:26:23 PM »

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Will fiddle around with this setup for a while.

the fiddling around included changing out the 2n3055 transistor for others.
Via the 2sc5200 and 2sd1555 which showed similar or even worse efficiency, i presently have a TIP33c installed.
Right away, without changing anything on the coils configuration the efficiency using the TIP33c went from 44% with the 2n3055 to 80%! (665mW input @ 533mW output, see screenshots below).

Again, the current probe controller was set to 100mA/Div. instead of the scopes 10mA/Div., so the current (green) values and math (red) values need to be taken times 10.

So the selection of the used transistor has a hugh impact on the efficiency result of this circuit.


Fiddling some more......Itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7400 on: October 21, 2016, 05:38:07 PM »
 :) Happy to read that itsu!!! Have you mesure the primary power with the load at the output vs no load at the output? Does it reflect the exact difference the load consume?
Thank you!


Lostfox, you are really Lucky guys to have found this perfect fitting coil!!!!! Can waith to read about the result they give! :D

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7401 on: October 21, 2016, 06:04:52 PM »

Wistiti,

when i remove the load resistor (470 Ohm), the input power drops from 665mW to 580mW, so only 85mW less.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7402 on: October 21, 2016, 06:47:52 PM »
So only 85mw diference for a output of 533mw...
Seems good! So the load not completly reflect on the output. :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7403 on: October 21, 2016, 07:10:17 PM »
Hi all, Hi itsu, thanks for sharing your work, you could try the sucahyo pulse drive circuit, here is the circuit i've been using, though you can leave out the diodes in the charging section, since you will be using the output of the partnered output coils.
Also,, i have started a thread at the other forum called, phase shifted induction, it is showing that just like thane heins work, if a certain minimum frequency is reached, the reflection back to input source stops and even decreases.
I'm using the same 3 coil setup i used in the bucking inverter thread or partnered output coils.
peace love light

(https://s12.postimg.org/48zw2zzgd/sucahyo_s_stingo_battery_charger_rev_1_1.png)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7404 on: October 21, 2016, 07:49:55 PM »
Hey Sky! Itsu a real pleasure to see you are still on it :)
Will you share some of your experiment in this forum to?
Take care!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7405 on: October 21, 2016, 09:21:22 PM »

Wistiti,

so you think that is good?  We still use 587mW just to run the circuit without a load.
That means the transistor and the building / maintaining of the magnetic fields.

 

SkyWatcher123,

thanks, but why would i try the sucahyo pulse drive circuit?   Should it be even more efficient?
Do you have any input/output/efficiency data?



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7406 on: October 21, 2016, 10:26:20 PM »
Hi all, Hi itsu, i seem to recall sucahyo, getting in the 80% efficiency range while the coil was loaded.
I suggested using the sucahyo circuit, because if you are using DC pulses, then this circuit can give very sharp DC pulses, by using the coil spike to trigger the PNP transistor.
Plus, sucahyo has said that the reverse orientation as shown, of the PNP transistor, reduces the input amperage greatly, which i think is caused by a much shorter duty cycle.
peace love light

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7407 on: October 21, 2016, 10:48:41 PM »

Sky,

ok,  thanks,  "greatly reduced input amperage" sounds good, i will see if i can combine the both circuits somehow.

The main reason for the original circuit, as i understand it, would be that the bucking coils somehow further increase the efficiency beyond the 100%.


Regards Itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7408 on: October 21, 2016, 11:28:38 PM »
Wistiti,

so you think that is good?  We still use 587mW just to run the circuit without a load.
That means the transistor and the building / maintaining of the magnetic fields.

 

SkyWatcher123,

thanks, but why would i try the sucahyo pulse drive circuit?   Should it be even more efficient?
Do you have any input/output/efficiency data?



 ;D


Itsu

Ooopps! Sorry! Phone corrector...!😉

Hey itsu i dont mean the driving circuit is efficient. The point i highlight is the fact is in a standard circuit, if we add 100w load to a system the total consumption of the system must be something like the driving power +the load power.... But when we had poc on the output, that not seem to be wright... See one of my old test of the same setup.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E7aJmDRK04o
When i connect the load the circuit use less power.  :D

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7409 on: October 21, 2016, 11:52:58 PM »
Ooopps! Sorry! Phone corrector...!😉

Hey itsu i dont mean the driving circuit is efficient. The point i highlight is the fact is in a standard circuit, if we add 100w load to a system the total consumption of the system must be something like the driving power +the load power.... But when we had poc on the output, that not seem to be wright... See one of my old test of the same setup.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E7aJmDRK04o
When i connect the load the circuit use less power.  :D




This is exactly correct! Efficiency is important, one must make small improvements, one step at a time, anyone starting, building, should be starting with at least 80% Efficiency! Or there is terrible problems. 43% and there is something terribly wrong somewhere!

This is simply natural progression, I saw the same thing when I replicated Steven E Jones JT, it took some time and work to make the small improvements to get it working properly.

I found the best Transistor was actually a Fet, J6910 - See Datasheet attached.

High Frequency, this Fet hit the Coils really hard with sharp gradient, Time Rate of Change.

I have wound some coils up and have my JPOC nearly done. I have ordered some parts, and just found they will be a few days. So I will have some data up in a few days.


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