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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7380 on: October 19, 2016, 09:48:25 AM »
Hey Chris!
Yes i know you are in! :)
It goes much for other quiet Reader's/builders who may whant to jump in...
I think sharing on a common simple, low cost project must be interesting!
Anyone interested??





Exactly, no matter your experience, we will all work together, helping each other, doing the best we can to learn as much as we can, no criticism, only positive reinforcement! The more experienced helping and coaching the less experienced!

If you’re reading and want to join in, then please do!

LostFox has set a bit of a Benchmark replicating Wistiti's and Skywatchers work, but this can be learned from, its a positive thing!

Respect, I completely agree Wistiti!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7380 on: October 19, 2016, 09:48:25 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7381 on: October 19, 2016, 10:00:16 AM »
I am in too guys!!! With your help I may be useful :)

wistiti, itsu, EMJunkie thank you all for the extra knowledge! Its much appreciated!  :)

Unfortunately I cant start testing immediately as all my equipment fried on this circuit. :( But I have time to study and get ready different setups until new equipment arrive. And that is what I do..


Just few thoughts...about the core
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Although I had a good output with the first setup, and because I have more from the same ferrites, I wind few more coils and I noticed the whistle on the cores is always present and sometimes loud too.

Even if you tune the coil the whistle is there, you can only change the frequency of the whistle to higher or lower... and even you can't hear it, it doesn't mean its not there.

But we know that noise (parasitic vibration) means core loses (Hysteresis losses which I think I have plenty in my cores)... Yes we know that the core concentrates the fields and increase the inductance, but my felling is that the core has conflict (at the particular setup) and does more harm than good.

That is just my opinion, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Air coils may give much better results if they are arranged the proper way.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2016, 02:07:12 PM by l0stf0x »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7382 on: October 19, 2016, 04:57:23 PM »
L0stf0x,

"noise (parasitic vibration)" does not per se mean losses, it could also be a gain medium (acoustic magnetic generator).
There are patents on and some of us did some experiments with AMR, see f.i. this thread:
http://overunity.com/14307/acoustic-magnetic-generator/msg388945/#msg388945

Anyway, i will try to make a moveable bifilar primary coil so that it can slide over the secondaries for both a tuning capability as a tighter coupling.

Regards itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7382 on: October 19, 2016, 04:57:23 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7383 on: October 19, 2016, 05:56:01 PM »
Great! so at least, we are a little bunch of happy builder who are interested! Am not worry, as long as we go and share with respect, some other may join us... :) (by the way, i propose to ignore the people who just come in to argue or theorize.)

So how do you see it? I think we should start with simple device consisting of easy avalivable parts or salvaged from scrap around us... This way, every budget people can join in an we recycle things! :)


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7384 on: October 19, 2016, 06:03:58 PM »
Hi Itsu, :)
I saw the thread, that is actually more evidence that noise is form of energy.
In the thread's setup someone try to turn vibration (noise) to current, so the opposite can happen.
I think the transformer should be cool and quiet. Noise and heat should be a byproduct in our case. But again I maybe wrong  :-\

I will make a drawing to express what I am saying on our circuit.


L0stf0x,

"noise (parasitic vibration)" does not per se mean losses, it could also be a gain medium (acoustic magnetic generator).
There are patents on and some of us did some experiments with AMR, see f.i. this thread:
http://overunity.com/14307/acoustic-magnetic-generator/msg388945/#msg388945

Anyway, i will try to make a moveable bifilar primary coil so that it can slide over the secondaries for both a tuning capability as a tighter coupling.

Regards itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline l0stf0x

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7385 on: October 19, 2016, 06:26:07 PM »
Great! so at least, we are a little bunch of happy builder who are interested! Am not worry, as long as we go and share with respect, some other may join us... :) (by the way, i propose to ignore the people who just come in to argue or theorize.)

So how do you see it? I think we should start with simple device consisting of easy avalivable parts or salvaged from scrap around us... This way, every budget people can join in an we recycle things! :)

Hey wistiti, :) yeah we are a happy builder team and yes agree with you.. lets start from the begining..

But I think we are already at the begining.. at least me  :-\


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This drawing (done with photoshop) shows the coreless version, as I imagine it to be ideal.
The last 2 days this design is buzzing in my mind.

What the team think about this arrangement? :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7386 on: October 19, 2016, 10:19:45 PM »



@LostFox - Clearly you are gifted like Wistiti.

Like Wistiti, You see well beyond whats right infront of your nose! See oppertunity, and see logic and move ahead with it!

Your imediate, impressive work reflects this!

Wistiti's and Skywatcher's names need to be at the top of the list, this is their works and they need to have full credit for it. See: Reply #40 on: January 19, 2015, 01:46:12 AM - For SkyWatcher's orriginal works.

At the time, I looked at it and saw "Joule Theif" and thought this may confuse the Concepts I was trying to introduce. Isnt it funny how things go in Round-Abouts...

So, yes youre spoton, the little things like a good Gauge Wire you have covered spot on! As you can see, Skywatcher specifys 24AWG, which is a good size!

Lets NOT use the term Bi-Filar though, this is confusing and not correct!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7387 on: October 19, 2016, 11:53:37 PM »






@Partnered Output Coil Research Team (POCRT) ;)

We could start by learning from works of old. The Joule Thief Circuit could be optimised in accordance to works just shown.

The advancements I made with Physics Professor Steven E Jones, replicating his work, we could learn from those works.

Below is a simple Circuit that uses my implementation of the Steven E Jones Circuit with POC's.

There are two implementations of this circuit, one where L2 and L3 could be the same Coil. Thus eliminating one Coil in your device.

Note: I have only one scope, I will be taking measurements separately from Input to Output. If you have Earth leads on both Input Earth and Output Earth at the same time, there is going to be a Ground Loop. So be wary of this possibility.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7388 on: October 20, 2016, 01:22:26 AM »
Hi Chris,

I think I see a small error on the schematic.  Shouldn't the top scope probe on the right be labeled V-out instead of I-out?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7389 on: October 20, 2016, 01:38:03 AM »
Hi Chris,

I think I see a small error on the schematic.  Shouldn't the top scope probe on the right be labeled V-out instead of I-out?

Carroll



Thank You Carroll - I have corrected the orriginal and renamed accordingly.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7390 on: October 20, 2016, 04:43:42 AM »
Hey guys! Great start!
Thanks for your both schematic!
Lostfox, it is a quite interesting idea! The best way to see how it be is building it! :D
For now i will try the circuit Chris have share cause i have already wound a ferrite rod. (See the photo)
I have to wait for some component before complete it... :(

I Also found some nice coil (see photo) the left one is salvage from a microwave oven fan 120vac.
The already poc in the middle came from drain pump also 120vac.

Ciao guys!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7391 on: October 20, 2016, 05:56:37 AM »
Hey guys! Great start!
Thanks for your both schematic!
Lostfox, it is a quite interesting idea! The best way to see how it be is building it! :D
For now i will try the circuit Chris have share cause i have already wound a ferrite rod. (See the photo)
I have to wait for some component before complete it... :(

I Also found some nice coil (see photo) the left one is salvage from a microwave oven fan 120vac.
The already poc in the middle came from drain pump also 120vac.

Ciao guys!



Hey Wistiti, Yes good start!

I have drawn the other Implimentation mentioned above, I am not sure yet if it will be any good, will test and try.

Have wound some coils, hope to get a rig running soon.

Circuit below:

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7392 on: October 20, 2016, 02:00:58 PM »
Thank you again Chris for the schematic. :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7393 on: October 20, 2016, 02:45:18 PM »
Thank you Wistiti and EMJunkie

Yes I forgot Skywatcher! The list was in alphabetic order, but I fixed it :).

@EMJunkie  - Wow! That looks a very very very nice circuit! I will move to that immediately :)


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I made a simple bridge circuit for balancing the secondaries before we connect them to the circuit.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7394 on: October 20, 2016, 09:52:23 PM »
Here my 3th build, again with the 20/2cm rod, 2x 100 turns bucking secondaries, but now with the bifilar primary slidable across the secondaries.
Together with the 1KOhm potmeter i can adjust/tune both the frequency and input power as well as the coupling between the primary and the secondaries.

The both secondary bucking coils measure 1574uH and have a 1mm gap between them, see picture.
 
After many settings/positions of the potmeter/primary coil, the max. efficiency comes to 44%.
This max. efficiency is when the primary is straight over the secondary with the OTHER winding direction (40% versus 44%).

No real peaks or dips are found when sliding the primary along the both secondaries.

The reduced efficiency compared with the first 63% probably is due to again the coupling factor primary/secondary as now there is about 0.5mm mylar between the
primary and secondary while in the first attempt (63%) the primary was directly wound over the secondary.

I measured the current in both legs of the output coils, see diagram below with probes in red, with the primary exactly in the middle.
The resulting currents can be seen in the screenshot, where white is the current in one leg, and green the current in the other leg.
I believe this shows that the currents are opposite to each other, so in bucking mode.
Trying to measure the magnetic field with a hall sensor gives distorted readings, i believe due to the primary near by.


Will fiddle around with this setup for a while.


Regards Itsu

 

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