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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7365 on: October 17, 2016, 11:48:16 PM »
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« Reply #7366 on: October 17, 2016, 11:52:07 PM »
Dont worry!
The experiment i did give to me the certitude that poc are precious...
Take care!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7367 on: October 18, 2016, 01:13:00 AM »
Dont worry!
The experiment i did give to me the certitude that poc are precious...
Take care!




Hey Wistiti - I know, but isn’t this just stupidity!

It is the, "What we can’t achieve because we think we know better" syndrome!

In my path to Partnered Output Coils, I realised its importance as soon as it came to me!

it was a flash of In-Sight from a very much Higher Dimension, The Records Room I believe! Still, I am left with unanswered Questions and I have a lot to still Learn.

It is Key, where a single concept arises more than once, in many more than one Device, then the single Concept is critical, we have shown this already, without a doubt!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7368 on: October 18, 2016, 01:47:32 AM »







For your, the Readers, information. I have been showing this technology since: July the 18th 2011.

Since then, we have had some major milestones reached!

More replications of devices with varied geometry’s of the same basic concepts have been shown today than ever before! More that are not public.

While History has shown maybe one Device per Decade, we have seen perhaps eight Devices in less than 2 Years!

If half are measurement error, then this is a very significant Era to live in right now!!!


Quote from: Jeane Manning: A New Physics for a New Energy Source / Free Energy - Making the Impossible Possible


"On rare occasions, Sweet saw this effect, called self-oscillation, occur in electric transformers"




Quote from: Energy From The Vacuum by Tom Bearden


"Sweet was also a transformer designer and expert, and he remarked that he had also observed specialized self-oscillation in certain transformers. "




My first public showing: http://www.hyiq.org/Updates/Update?Name=Update%2018-07-11



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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7369 on: October 18, 2016, 03:25:48 AM »






Back to Tech:

@Itsu - Have you checked the few things above I asked?

Some things to look at:

50 Turns (N) x 0.5875 Amps (A) = 29.375 Ampere Turns (AT) = Gilberts (Gb) = 36.914

100 Turns (N) x 0.05948 Amps (A) = 5.948 Ampere turns (AT) = Gilberts (Gb) = 7.474
100 Turns (N) x 0.05948 Amps (A) = 5.948 Ampere turns (AT) = Gilberts (Gb) = 7.474


36.914 / 7.474 = 4.939 times less Magnetic Field in the Partnered Output Coils.


Which is not going to be close enough for any real work to be done! You really need to get your Magnetic Fields up on the Partnered Output Coils!

Also, its really important, you need Magnetic Fields Opposing! Please verify with the above circuit.



The BIGGEST Problem that you (People that don't yet get this) is that Conventionally, BUCKING means no Electric Field on the Output, which is the Conventional idea behind the term Bucking - That's why I don't use the Term!!!

This thinking (Bucking) is Wrong! Period! - Fields Oppose for a totally different reason! I have already explained why - Lenz's Law, Flow of Current. E.G: Magnetic Field.


You HAVE to stop thinking "Driving the Coils with Current" - Think Induction! An EMF is Induced.... Not Wired to "BUCK", the Coils oppose because of Lenz's Law... Wired to Add Electrically, but the Magnetic Fields Oppose...





Quote from: Floyd Sweet


Current is deemed as a quantity or number of charged particles moving from P1 to P2 in time t, or as the charge transferred in one second by a current of one ampere. The coulomb is the charge on 6.24 x 1018 electrons. Electric fields are due to the presence of charges. Magnetic field effects are due to the motion of charges. Current is the net rate of flow of positive charges. This is a scalar quantity.

In the specific case of positive charges moving to the right and negative charges to the left, the effect of both actions is positive charge moving to the right. Current to the right is: I = + da+/dt + da-/dt. Negative electrons flowing to the left contribute to the current flowing to the right.





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« Last Edit: October 18, 2016, 08:19:54 AM by EMJunkie »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7370 on: October 18, 2016, 09:03:44 AM »
I am not that experienced as you guys, please forgive my silly questions if there are...

Can someone explain why are we using bifilar coil and not a regular coil as a primary?

As we know bifilar coils decrease the inductance of a coil because the windings are wound in such a way as to cancel the each-others magnetic field. Don't we get less magnetic force at the core too?

Have anyone tryed to use as a primary a regular coil?

Also has anyone tryed this circuit with pancake bifilar coil as primary and pancake bucking coils (or bifilar as well) as secondary?

Thanks

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7371 on: October 18, 2016, 09:53:50 AM »
to l0stf0x


interesting stuff which i want to try in near future but with 3 pancake coils one  on one side other on other side and betwean them primary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYNEzVIXDeM


and some random stuf from same guy  -->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxKVftU3w1w


coil have 2 sides  but usualy we use only one :)




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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7372 on: October 18, 2016, 02:51:54 PM »
Lostfox you are completlly righ .
There are many way to create the primary magnetic field. And this one it is not the more efficient one... As all its about magnetic field, we should try different way for creating it.
I have not try with pancake coil. It might be a good idea!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7373 on: October 18, 2016, 09:24:31 PM »
Gyvulys666 thank you! Nice videos! good info!

Wistiti, I will try pancakes as well :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7374 on: October 18, 2016, 09:58:45 PM »
I am not that experienced as you guys, please forgive my silly questions if there are...

Can someone explain why are we using bifilar coil and not a regular coil as a primary?

As we know bifilar coils decrease the inductance of a coil because the windings are wound in such a way as to cancel the each-others magnetic field. Don't we get less magnetic force at the core too?

Have anyone tryed to use as a primary a regular coil?

Also has anyone tryed this circuit with pancake bifilar coil as primary and pancake bucking coils (or bifilar as well) as secondary?

Thanks




Hi l0stf0x, No such thing as a silly question.

The idea/concept here is twofold, Increase Electromagnetic Induction and also reduce the Reflective Magnetic Component back on the Primary. This bit is Lenz's Law.

I really dispise the term Bi-Filar because by definition these coils are not Bi-Filar. Partnered Output Coils are two separate and distinct Coils on the same core. Bi-Filar by definition are Parallel wound, side by side.

Partnered output Coils, it may be worth reading the PDF I wrote: Guidelines to Bucking Coils

Also these videos may help:

Opposing Magnetic Field Interactions - Partnered Output Coils
Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation
Partnered Output Coils - Why it's Important to have Current Flowing!
Opposing Magnetic Field Interactions - Partnered Output Coils
Self Assisted Oscillation or Field Effect Amplification of an Induced Rotating Magnetic Field
Explanation of Partnered Output Coils


You can see I have spent many thousands of hours on this Tech. Trying to learn the Interactions between two Output Coils, Partnered Output Coils. My Channel has many more videos, the above are the most important to get started.

In the Video: Partnered Output Coils - Why it's Important to have Current Flowing! you can see at the end, there is an Increase in the Wave Amplitude shown at the end. This is due to an increase in Electromagnetic Induction, More Charge is separated, as a result, the Magnetic Fields opposing, Electromagnetic Induction is Increased!!!

This is a critical principle!!!

There is a Lot to learn, but I always believe, Little Steps for Little Feet is the key, I am still learning, and always will be learning!

You at least have a working device that you can learn from, sitting on the bench, and it’s very obviously performing very much better than the average device. So you’re well on your way! Use the Oscilloscope to study your wave forms.

Re Pancake Coils, I am not a fan. I think it’s more important to study what we have and learn as much from this as possible first. Then move to other ideas later on.


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P.S: Wistiti is exactly right!!! "its about magnetic field" The Magnetic Fields as we know them is the Key to making this work!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7375 on: October 18, 2016, 10:21:25 PM »

l0stf0x,

bifilar coil, regular coil, pancake bifilar coil,  they are all coils, each with their own specifications, also depending on how they are connected (bifilar wise).
The result is more or less capacitance and/or inductance, but they all have them.

So it is very dependent on the purpose of your coil which one to use.

Concerning the primary coil, allthough it is wound as a bifilar coil, as i see it in this circuit, they are just 2 independent coils closely coupled together.

Anyway, i  build another coils system, now using a bigger ferrite rod (20cm / 2cm).
The secondaries are both 1625uH (100 turns each) and not covered by the primary (2x 50 turns bifilar) as it is wound on a free piece of the rod, see picture.

But this primary/secondary setup has severe impact on the efficiency as it dropped to 8%
Input is about 720mW, output 64mW.

So it seems we need a very tight coupling between primary and (one) secondary for increased efficiency.

Regards itsu

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« Reply #7376 on: October 18, 2016, 11:47:33 PM »
l0stf0x,

bifilar coil, regular coil, pancake bifilar coil,  they are all coils, each with their own specifications, also depending on how they are connected (bifilar wise).
The result is more or less capacitance and/or inductance, but they all have them.

So it is very dependent on the purpose of your coil which one to use.

Concerning the primary coil, allthough it is wound as a bifilar coil, as i see it in this circuit, they are just 2 independent coils closely coupled together.

Anyway, i  build another coils system, now using a bigger ferrite rod (20cm / 2cm).
The secondaries are both 1625uH (100 turns each) and not covered by the primary (2x 50 turns bifilar) as it is wound on a free piece of the rod, see picture.

But this primary/secondary setup has severe impact on the efficiency as it dropped to 8%
Input is about 720mW, output 64mW.

So it seems we need a very tight coupling between primary and (one) secondary for increased efficiency.

Regards itsu





@All - This is an important lesson for all to learn.

Any Standard Transformer will be anywhere from: 80 - 95% Efficient. Coupling is important!

From Primary Coil, to Secondary Coil there should be at least an Efficiency of a Standard Transformer. Otherwise there is a LOT of LOST ENERGY to make up!

The Magnetising Force (MMF) which is the Current (I) through the Turns (N) should be approximately equal to each other at Time (t), from Primary to Secondary, which they are, in a properly loaded Transformer.

Asking basic questions, for example, how efficient is the Joule Thief Circuit?

Which is what this circuit is based from, yes some have said the Joule Thief is OU, many years ago we did measure OU, up to 20 times, but this never amounted to anything,  See: http://overunity.com/10773/physicsprof-steven-e-jones-circuit-shows-8x-overunity/msg289287/#msg289287.

Output: 845.8112mW / Input: 43.2972mW = Measured Gain of: 19.54

For those that don’t follow the link, this was way back on: June 02, 2011 with PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones.

So, it seems that Itsu may need to work on the Coupling and get his Efficiency very much better than it currently is.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7377 on: October 19, 2016, 12:40:00 AM »
Hey guys!
What you think of working together on it...?
I mean toward a same objective. Sharing and learning.
First rules: respect.

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« Reply #7378 on: October 19, 2016, 02:37:20 AM »
Hey guys!
What you think of working together on it...?
I mean toward a same objective. Sharing and learning.
First rules: respect.



Hey Wistiti - Yep, I am in.

To be honest, I thought we already were?

I dont want the Blood Suckers to steel our work! I dont want to help others that are not willing to help themselves and others, and I dont want others to take the credit for our work!

I do get a bit carried away sometimes, I am a bit blunt maybe, but the points I make I mean to make respectfully!

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« Reply #7379 on: October 19, 2016, 05:30:35 AM »
Hey Chris!
Yes i know you are in! :)
It goes much for other quiet Reader's/builders who may whant to jump in...
I think sharing on a common simple, low cost project must be interesting!
Anyone interested??

 

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