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Offline wistiti

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7350 on: October 16, 2016, 03:27:31 AM »
Thanks lostfox for sharing your experiment!
it is a real pleasure to see  builders on it! Hope some other quiet reader will jump in!
Hope you receive your mesure instrument soon!
Ciao!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7351 on: October 16, 2016, 12:55:41 PM »
Thank you Wistiti I hope too :)

Those coils are from a 220V AC motor and have many turns.. Are 4 coils with removed the 1 plastic side of each and combined to form 2 bucking coils.
So because no meters around.. I played with connections looking at the bulb to see the gain in light. And the final wiring is like that (pics).
Maybe its not the optimum wiring, or position of coils, but it lights the 220v resistive bulb  ???
I will keep testing and get back to you guys.
Without any scope or meter.. I walk blind... i ll be back

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7352 on: October 16, 2016, 05:40:02 PM »
Hi l0stf0x, wistiti,


i build the little circuit as was presented here:  http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg493565/#msg493565, see picture 1 for layout.

Instead of the "6 watt led bulb" i have a 470 Ohm resistor as load.

The secondary bucking coils both measured 990uH BEFORE i wound the primary across one of the secondaries.

Transistor is a 2n3055, input voltage from my bench PS was set at 3.5V, see picture 2 and it pulls about 600mA when working.

The input signals are shown in screenshot 1.
yellow is input voltage (3.159V rms)
green is input current (current probe controller was set at 100mA/div., so the green value needs to be taken x10) (587.5mA rms)
red is the math function trace (yellow x green) which represents the input power which also needs to be taken x10 due to the current controller setting of 100mA/Div. (1.839W).

The output signals across the 470 Ohm resistor are shown in screenshot 2.
yellow is output voltage (22.46V rms)
green is output current (current probe controller was set at 100mA/div., so the green value needs to be taken x10) (59.48mA rms)
red is the math function trace (yellow x green) which represents the output power which also needs to be taken x10 due to the current controller setting of 100mA/Div.) (1.153W)

So we have a very spikey output signal with peaks up till 140V with only 3.5V in.
Upping the input voltage quickly increases the output spikes, so beware of nasty shocks which also can damage your equipment.

Input about 1.8W, output 1.15W =  63% efficient.

Regards Itsu
« Last Edit: October 16, 2016, 08:35:55 PM by itsu »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7353 on: October 16, 2016, 07:34:43 PM »
Hi itsu!
Thanks for sharing your experiment! :)
63% efficiency... Seem not so good... Have you play with it to see if it is the best result you can have? I mean things like have a variable resistor on the base of the transistor, slide the ferrite core inside the transfo, add cap, etc...?

My mesure instrument are just meter and clamp (and i have be en fool by them some time) but i pretty sure a much better efficiency can be acheive!

As i said before it is much than pleasant to see other people sharing their experiment with respect toward others! :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7354 on: October 16, 2016, 08:32:02 PM »

Hi wistiti,

no, i did not play with it yet, its just the raw circuit and how it performs.

I am sure the efficiency can go up by tuning, like using a potmeter instead of the fixed 220 Ohm resistor or trying to get it into resonance etc.

I will play around some more with it and let you know  :)

Regards itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7355 on: October 16, 2016, 09:02:19 PM »
Thank you! Itsu
It is appreciate .

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7356 on: October 16, 2016, 10:42:49 PM »







Nice to see you have an Output Itsu.

If the Output Current is defined by: V / R = I

What would be needed to Increase the Current on the Output? 

According to my Calculations your Current is very small: 0.04779 through the 470 Ohm Resistor, and only 0.10209 through the 220 Ohm Resistor. Of course this is with the voltage of 22.46 Volts RMS.

Current is the Magnetic Field, so for a very small current like this, there is a very small Magnetic Field! B = μ0NI/L

Where
B is the Magnetic Field B in Gauss.
μ0 is the Permeability - μo = 1.26 × 10−7 T/m/At This is the Magnetic Constant. This could be replaced by your Relative Core Permeability μr: 24.3 in your case.
N is number of Turns in the solenoid,
I is Current in the coil,
L is the Length of the coil. Normally a Lowercase L (l)


So, your:

Input Magnetic Field is: 452.747 Gauss

Output Magnetic Field is: 73.6571 Gauss with the 470 Ohm Resistor

and

Output Magnetic Field is: 157.348 Gauss with the 220 Ohm Resistor


It is worth verifying there is a Magnetic Field Opposition also, just in case there is not. You have to get your Magnetic Fields way up, much higher than they are. I would wind thicker Wire Gague, 18-20 AWG or so. Drop the Impedance right down, getting the Fields way up, also drop your Load resistance some more.

Ideally, you want about the same or close to the same Ampere Turns. Now I have given away way too much.

If the Magnetic Fields are not in opposition, there can be no Gain!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7357 on: October 16, 2016, 11:03:27 PM »

Changing the 220 Ohm base resistor into a 1KOhm potmeter (range from 150 Ohm to 1KOhm) does not improve the efficiency.
The frequency changes from 15KHz @ 150 Ohm to 63KHz @ 1KOhm and the input current (input voltage steady at 3.5V) changes from 800mA @ 150 Ohm to 130mA @ 1KOhm.

Measuring the secondaries inductance shows that the uncovered secondary still measures 990uH, and the covered (with the primary) secondary measures 948uH.
So we have an unbalans in the bucking coils inductances due to the primary.

I am thinking of removing the bifilar primary and install it on a free piece of the ferrite rod so the both secondaries will have balanced inductances.

Itsu

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7358 on: October 17, 2016, 12:23:50 AM »
Sorry, Repost: Last post on the page...









Nice to see you have an Output Itsu.

If the Output Current is defined by: V / R = I

What would be needed to Increase the Current on the Output? 

According to my Calculations your Current is very small: 0.04779 through the 470 Ohm Resistor, and only 0.10209 through the 220 Ohm Resistor. Of course this is with the voltage of 22.46 Volts RMS.

Current is the Magnetic Field, so for a very small current like this, there is a very small Magnetic Field! B = μ0NI/L

Where
B is the Magnetic Field B in Gauss.
μ0 is the Permeability - μo = 1.26 × 10−7 T/m/At This is the Magnetic Constant. This could be replaced by your Relative Core Permeability μr: 24.3 in your case.
N is number of Turns in the solenoid,
I is Current in the coil,
L is the Length of the coil. Normally a Lowercase L (l)


So, your:

Input Magnetic Field is: 452.747 Gauss

Output Magnetic Field is: 73.6571 Gauss with the 470 Ohm Resistor

and

Output Magnetic Field is: 157.348 Gauss with the 220 Ohm Resistor


It is worth verifying there is a Magnetic Field Opposition also, just in case there is not. You have to get your Magnetic Fields way up, much higher than they are. I would wind thicker Wire Gague, 18-20 AWG or so. Drop the Impedance right down, getting the Fields way up, also drop your Load resistance some more.

Ideally, you want about the same or close to the same Ampere Turns. Now I have given away way too much.

If the Magnetic Fields are not in opposition, there can be no Gain!


   Chris Sykes
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7358 on: October 17, 2016, 12:23:50 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7359 on: October 17, 2016, 12:27:50 AM »



Why: Because it is the Magnetic Field (B), and the Time Rate of Change (t) of it, that Invokes Electromagnetic Induction, with Turns (N) is the Value of the EMF!!!

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P.S: A good resource for Calculating the Magnetic Field (B) is: http://www.calctool.org/CALC/phys/electromagnetism/solenoid


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7360 on: October 17, 2016, 05:43:06 AM »








This area I am still learning, the "How to predict a device Mathmatically", this is very hard for me! I thought I had it, but its still not right. Still some guess work involved.

I have done some figures:

Faradays Law:
Area: 7.85398163397448E-05 Meters (m) Squared
Theta: 90 Degrees
B Initial: 0.0001 Tesla
B Final: 0.0452 Tesla
Delta B: 0.000354214571692249 Tesla
Delta T: 1.58730158730159E-05 Seconds
Voltage: 22.3155180166117 Volts
Amperes: 1.48770120110745 Amperes

Where; your POC Coils Turns = 100 each, POC Coils Resisance = 15 Ohms, Flux in the Core = 452 Gauss, Radius = 0.5 cm, Magnetic Field is 90 Degrees to the POC Coils, and Frequency = 63KHz, which is 1/F for CPS.

This Voltage is supposed to be Open Circuit Voltage, not Voltage accross a Load!

Now, using a larger Gauge Wire, dropping the Resistance to 4 Omhs:

Faradays Law:
Area: 7.85398163397448E-05 Meters (m) Squared
Theta: 90 Degrees
B Initial: 0.0001 Tesla
B Final: 0.0452 Tesla
Delta B: 0.000354214571692249 Tesla
Delta T: 1.58730158730159E-05 Seconds
Voltage: 22.3155180166117 Volts
Amperes: 5.57887950415293 Amperes

Hope this gives you some Idea on what and where to look. I guess this is why I have always shown coils with lots of turns but of a reasonable Wire Gauge.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7361 on: October 17, 2016, 02:47:29 PM »
Changing the 220 Ohm base resistor into a 1KOhm potmeter (range from 150 Ohm to 1KOhm) does not improve the efficiency.
The frequency changes from 15KHz @ 150 Ohm to 63KHz @ 1KOhm and the input current (input voltage steady at 3.5V) changes from 800mA @ 150 Ohm to 130mA @ 1KOhm.

Measuring the secondaries inductance shows that the uncovered secondary still measures 990uH, and the covered (with the primary) secondary measures 948uH.
So we have an unbalans in the bucking coils inductances due to the primary.

I am thinking of removing the bifilar primary and install it on a free piece of the ferrite rod so the both secondaries will have balanced inductances.

Itsu

Thank itsu for sharing your experiment!
I think rebuild it is a good idea. I have build many of these circuit and i still dont understand why some show good result while others dont...? This is why i think building it ajustable, sliding coil, can save some time. I also think different core configuration, different way of excite the primary have to be test...

For now, the best result i acheive with this poc (bucking coil) as output coil is a reduce primary power when a load is connect on output and on some rare occasion unity of just little over...But for sure this configuration can be much more efficient than a regular commercial transformer....

Many may say my result are discutable cause of my cheap mesure instrument and they are probably righ.
This is why im glad to see folks Like you with great skills and equipment working on it...

The most important, dont conclude if the first build didnt work... Try different way!

Ciao!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #7362 on: October 17, 2016, 10:07:54 PM »
Thank itsu for sharing your experiment!
I think rebuild it is a good idea. I have build many of these circuit and i still dont understand why some show good result while others dont...? This is why i think building it ajustable, sliding coil, can save some time. I also think different core configuration, different way of excite the primary have to be test...

For now, the best result i acheive with this poc (bucking coil) as output coil is a reduce primary power when a load is connect on output and on some rare occasion unity of just little over...But for sure this configuration can be much more efficient than a regular commercial transformer....

Many may say my result are discutable cause of my cheap mesure instrument and they are probably righ.
This is why im glad to see folks Like you with great skills and equipment working on it...

The most important, dont conclude if the first build didnt work... Try different way!

Ciao!




Hey Wistiti - Re the equipment, this is a stupid excuse from nothing more than Sceptics!!!

Graham Gunderson has shown exactly the same Technology that we have worked with for years and they still even question his Equipment and His work. Now anyone with a Brain that works surely has to admit that Graham's Measurements are perhaps the best and most accurate in History!!!


NONE of these Sceptics can replicate Grahams Work either!!! - Try telling Clarke and Hess they have Bad Measurement equipment, you'll have a Law Suit on your hands!!!


Those people will be the last ones to catch the boat!!! If at all!!!

We know, we can see it, we have seen on many occasions, many many occasions, what we do is not possible with standard Transformer!!!

Using standard Battery Formula's and running the Charge Test we did was one of many experiments that show an excess, so those people, the sceptics, are just being idiots! Let’s not forget the many others that also show the same results, Anti Lenz - Yuri Likhovid, using Industry Standard Watt Metres well within their bandwidth, also all the other greats, Don Smith and the many others. All using the Exact Same technology!!!

These people, Arm Chair Know-It-All's are the worst type of people! They are the reason that Dogma exists today! Simply because their tiny brain does not know better! Yet it is them that use the same Metres we use, to take Industry Standard Measurements on known Equipment! Now really, this is Stupid Idiot Behaviour from Jealous Brain Dead Morons!!!

We have tested many different ways, it is not just the metres giving us results that show excess!

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« Reply #7363 on: October 17, 2016, 10:53:15 PM »







Why is it, that NONE of the Sceptics can replicate this work?

The answer is simple!!!

Because they have no idea what to look for, what to Aim for or what they even want from it!!! Blind Alley Ways is what they end up taking, Failing on the first try, and then they proclaim themselves as experts and say: "It doesn’t work"

Dogma!!!

None do their Homework, None Listen, none take the time to think properly about it, none understand Simple Electromagnetic Induction, none comprehend Electrical Energy, none understand Lenz's Law, none understand how a Transformer Works Properly, none understand basic Magnetics.... The List Goes On and On!!!


Yes Experts, I know about them well!!!


I am a Student in the School of Life, always will be, my entire life, never an Expert!!!


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« Reply #7364 on: October 17, 2016, 11:46:28 PM »







What the self-proclaimed Experts "Should" be telling you, is: "Some cheap Multi Metres do have a greater degree of In-Accuracy"

and NOT: "It doesn't Work Because you have Budget Metres" or "Ah, its just a Measurement Error"

Any "Expert" using this statement or anything remotely close is nothing more than an Un-Educated Fool that cant think Logically!

This is the Brain Dead, Moronic, Idiot way to think and explain any device!!!

Again, my view on "Experts" are very low becauce of their self-proclaimed Status! Idiots are not Experts!!!

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P.S: Some may be able to see that I am a bit Cranky about this Dumb Stupid Behaviour! Its got to be evident why by now!!!



 

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