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Void

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #735 on: February 02, 2015, 01:09:32 AM »
Please see the datasheet attached below. I have a few of these that were donated to me during the Ainslie testing. They are pretty inexpensive:

Thanks TK! I will check them out.
All the best...

TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #736 on: February 02, 2015, 01:14:16 AM »
@Picowatt: very well said, thank you.

It has always been beyond my understanding why someone would _take apart_ something they believe is capable of producing OU. Yet it happens a lot. "Oh, the prototype isn't available for testing because __________ ". (Insert favorite "dog ate my homework" excuse). "I took it apart" is just one of many such excuses that make no real sense.

For goodness sakes, if you want to take something apart, _build another one_ and take that one apart! NEVER take apart a "functioning" prototype! Especially if it is made from ten dollars worth of COTS parts.

Unless of course... you do not want it tested for some reason.

Another common pattern is the claim without evidence that gets "replicators" all stirred up trying to reproduce the _claims_ when there is no _evidence_ to reproduce. This inevitably results in the claimant protesting that the replicators (all of whom are working quite literally "in good faith") are incompetent shills who can't tell a soldering iron from a hot screwdriver, when the replicators fail to fulfil the _claims_ of the claimant... even though the claimant won't, or more likely cannot do it either. All while the claimant misuses common terms, redefines ordinary phenomena as somehow special, attempts complex measurements without proper understanding of the equipment and techniques involved, and slings insults at those who try to provide missing knowledge. How many times have we seen that exact sequence of events unfold here on this forum and a few others in the same area?

There is _one thing_ and one thing only preventing proper evaluation of such claims, and that is the attitude of the claimant. And these present threads are perfect illustrations of that fact.

A cooperative claimant would have _instantly_ provided measurements to support the claim, and would have been completely cooperative in performing suggested tests, in trying to understand the use of his equipment, in trying himself to falsify his own claims, in providing full and accurate details of the apparatus concerned including part numbers and sources for COTS items. This is after all an _open source_ forum. OUR may not be quite so "open source" as there may be rather involved "behind the scenes" discussions going on amongst various groups of posters there, but the above comments still apply.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #737 on: February 02, 2015, 01:15:49 AM »
Hi MarkE. Thanks for the reply. Nice drawing! You didn't have to go to all that trouble, but I appreciate the effort.
Yes, OK, I understand that the inductive reactance of the CSR's has to be very small compared to
the resistance of the CSR's to get accurate phase measurements. The CSR's I am using are carbon film type,
I believe, so their inductance should not be too significant. Regarding CSR's, can anyone recommend good
low inductance and high precision 1 ohm resistors (preferably from DigiKey) which I can use as CSR's?

All the best...
Thanks.  I figured one picture could make things very clear.  I see that TK has recommended some resistors.  Those work, particularly if you solder your sense connections right at the resistor body.  I recommend coming off of the resistor with a nice chunk of solid wire, say 20AWG and make a loop connection on one side for the two scope ground clips on the one side and a smaller loop that the probe clip can grab onto on the other side.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #738 on: February 02, 2015, 01:18:54 AM »
Thanks.  I figured one picture could make things very clear.  I see that TK has recommended some resistors.  Those work, particularly if you solder your sense connections right at the resistor body.  I recommend coming off of the resistor with a nice chunk of solid wire, say 20AWG and make a loop connection on one side for the two scope ground clips on the one side and a smaller loop that the probe clip can grab onto on the other side.

Hi MarkE. Right. Keep the leads as short as possible. Thanks.
All the best...

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #739 on: February 02, 2015, 01:30:03 AM »
Hi MarkE. Right. Keep the leads as short as possible. Thanks.
All the best...
You can make the power carrying leads as long as you need or want.  It is the distance to the body of the current sense resistor to the take offs for the scope probes that you want to hold as close to zero as possible.  I think that poynt99 has some videos where he took twisted pair from such a resistor.  That video is instructive.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #740 on: February 02, 2015, 01:45:43 AM »
You can make the power carrying leads as long as you need or want.  It is the distance to the body of the current sense resistor to the take offs for the scope probes that you want to hold as close to zero as possible.  I think that poynt99 has some videos where he took twisted pair from such a resistor.  That video is instructive.

Hi MarkE. Ok, thanks. I see what you mean now.
All the best...

TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #741 on: February 02, 2015, 01:52:34 AM »
Ah, a blast from the past. I don't want to distract from the main discussion too much,  but here's a video I shot showing the difference between the current seen by one of the Ohmite noniductive resistors and an ordinary "cement" wirewound resistor in series, in an Ainslie test situation. Several things that Ainslie claimed were impossible are demonstrated in this video, including the current path _through_ the Function Generator bypassing the CVR, the Common Gate mosfet oscillator configuration, and of course the spurious current amplitudes caused by the use of the inductive resistor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a1plHZwmWg

MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #742 on: February 02, 2015, 03:16:39 AM »
That video really shows that severe mismeasurements can result just from using an inappropriate current sense arrangement.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #743 on: February 02, 2015, 04:20:05 AM »
Conrad
some questions have come up ,I sent you a PM


thx
Chet

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #744 on: February 02, 2015, 12:38:59 PM »
Commemorating 62 pages (50 here, 12 on OUR) of thread with the title "Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy" --

and not a single Joule of Free Energy has shown up.

Sound familiar?




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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #745 on: February 02, 2015, 12:47:25 PM »
Conrad
some questions have come up ,I sent you a PM


thx
Chet

I have some questions myself.

1) Where are the measurements supporting EMJunkie's claim of overunity and free energy?

2) Why does EMJ keep saying that Conrad's test was done with a single output coil, when Conrad clearly used the dual coil-bucking configuration that EMJ said was the proper connection that would produce the claimed effect?

3) How many different ways are there to connect three components? Because it now seems that EMJ is going right through the list: try this, try that, try the other.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #746 on: February 02, 2015, 01:10:29 PM »
One thing that's missing is the basic straight-forward science/electronics/engineering rational analysis of how the circuit or any other variation works.  We know all about transformers, coils, changing flux, turns of wire, turns ratios, EMF generation, etc.  Most of you already use these tools in your heads and on your bench all the time.

So just from that basic 'tool kit' you can simply analyse how Chris' circuit works on paper, and then go on the bench and check for yourself.  It's really not rocket science.

Supposing that your bucking coils are 300 turns.  So then just go on your bench and keep one bucking coil 300 turns, and then try making measurements for when the second bucking coil is 100, then 200, then 300 turns.  Does what you see correspond with what the basic tool kit tells you should be happening?  Apply your intelligence!  Invent a useful experiment like the example I just gave.  You are going to find that your tool kit of knowledge correctly predicts what will happen.

Then, take a look at all the variations on the theme that Chris gave.  Use your tool kit of knowledge, knowledge that is in your head, to figure out how they work.  You don't really have to build all of Chris' variations to know how they will work.  Just do it in your head.  This 'try anything' business from Chris is not sensible.  It's clutching at straws.  I think that you should just stick with the original circuit and test that.

Sprinkled throughout this thread I actually do most of the 'application of the standard took kit.'

The tree of knowledge, bla, bla, bla.  You can't experiment with this giant blind sport in the center of your field of vision and only look at the periphery.  You have to deal with the whole picture and use the whole picture to figure out what is going on.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #747 on: February 02, 2015, 01:17:45 PM »
I have some questions myself.

1) Where are the measurements supporting EMJunkie's claim of overunity and free energy?

2) Why does EMJ keep saying that Conrad's test was done with a single output coil, when Conrad clearly used the dual coil-bucking configuration that EMJ said was the proper connection that would produce the claimed effect?

3) How many different ways are there to connect three components? Because it now seems that EMJ is going right through the list: try this, try that, try the other.
When someone starts out claming a numerical result, and then immediately turns around and states that they have no interest in measurements, I have to wonder whether the whole thing is a put-on.  But for the numerical claim who would be interested?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #748 on: February 02, 2015, 01:25:48 PM »
I have some questions myself.

1) Where are the measurements supporting EMJunkie's claim of overunity and free energy?

2) Why does EMJ keep saying that Conrad's test was done with a single output coil, when Conrad clearly used the dual coil-bucking configuration that EMJ said was the proper connection that would produce the claimed effect?

3) How many different ways are there to connect three components? Because it now seems that EMJ is going right through the list: try this, try that, try the other.

To make finding my measurements easier I recapitulate:


The latest and corrected measurement: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436135/#msg436135

The wrong calculation but it shows the test circuit correctly: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436056/#msg436056

The "normal transformer situation" http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg436051/#msg436051

Early measurements http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435839/#msg435839

Early measurements, coil specs, scope shots, photos http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435506/#msg435506

Exact specification of my core http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434722/#msg434722


Well, one needs to read all that carefully in order to understand what I did, but for a person with an average IQ it should be clear.

Tests with a mono audio amplifier are under way, but it will take time. I do not want to spend all my time experimenting. Some nice snow has fallen lately and I will do some snow shoe walking or snowshoeing (as some call it) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowshoe

It is fairly simple to do this experiment (specially if you look at my recapitulation above) and I would appreciate some more replications. Talk is cheap, experimenting gives answers.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #749 on: February 02, 2015, 01:38:03 PM »
In the mean time, the pros and people of good will could look at my intended test circuit with the 12 W mono audio amplifier (see attached diagram)

http://www.conrad.at/ce/de/product/117560/Kemo-Verstaerker-Modul-M032N-Baustein-6-16-VDC-Ausgangsleistung-12-W
http://www.produktinfo.conrad.com/datenblaetter/100000-124999/117560-an-01-ml-Verstaerker_Modul_12W_de_en_fr_nl_pl_ru.pdf

The 1 Ohm shunt R3 will be put in later, initial measurement just with R1.

The 10 Ohm resistor R1 is there because the primary has a very low DC resistance of only 2 Ohm and the output of the mono audio amplifier would be over powered. In certain situations I might be able to remove it (higher frequency, blocking primary).

Initially I will use R1 as a shunt (for current measurement). Later on an extra shunt R3 will be put in, for seeing a possible phase shift between R1 and R3 (not only the phase shift in the primary) and for a control measurement.

I will do a careful GND connection of all instruments (function generator, scope, power supply) and test circuit primary and secondary, which will allow me to use the scope probes in an easier way as MileHigh explained.


Current through input circuit: I = (Va - Vp) / R1 or alternatively I = Vs / R3

Watt through primary (input): I * Vp * cos(Ɵ) or alternatively I * (Vp - Vs)  * cos(Ɵ)

Current from secondary (output): Io = Vo / R2

Watt from secondary through R2 (output): Io * Vo


Greetings, Conrad