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Offline wistiti

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6975 on: June 02, 2016, 03:06:00 PM »
Hi Chris!
I have not try this one yet but it is again a really simple device to reproduce.! :)
I may give it a try soon.
Thank you for what you share! :)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6975 on: June 02, 2016, 03:06:00 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6976 on: June 02, 2016, 05:00:37 PM »
Hi Chris!
I have not try this one yet but it is again a really simple device to reproduce.! :)
I may give it a try soon.
Thank you for what you share! :)


If that above circuit has OU potential, it's only going to be in a specific balanced window.  Can't just wind any bifilar and make it work (I've tried).  It would only be when there is a certain balance to the design.

 * You'll probably need some gap distance between the ferrite and magnets.  Especially if they're Neodymium.  Too close and your oscillator will probably not be able to kick the field hard enough.

 * # of windings are important for the same reason.  Higher # of turns means more magnetics, but it also means more resistance.  Sweet's bifilars were supposedly 20awg and 240 turns, that should give you at least a baseline to work from. 

 * Power capabilities of your oscillator will also determine size.  I believe Sweet was using sine waves so a cheap audio amplifier might work?  I'd try every kind of wave (sine, triangle, square) and compare outputs at various frequencies.

 * The load is probably a big factor as well (impedance matching).


Whatever you build, keep a log and record your inputs and outputs with every variation.  It's hard to know what combination of factors is going to give you the best results.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6977 on: June 02, 2016, 05:03:06 PM »
Yes! Please share your build information and results ~ this design has my interested too. But likely very tricky to get everything just right. . . .


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6978 on: June 04, 2016, 01:14:14 AM »

If that above circuit has OU potential, it's only going to be in a specific balanced window.  Can't just wind any bifilar and make it work (I've tried).  It would only be when there is a certain balance to the design.

 * You'll probably need some gap distance between the ferrite and magnets.  Especially if they're Neodymium.  Too close and your oscillator will probably not be able to kick the field hard enough.

 * # of windings are important for the same reason.  Higher # of turns means more magnetics, but it also means more resistance.  Sweet's bifilars were supposedly 20awg and 240 turns, that should give you at least a baseline to work from. 

 * Power capabilities of your oscillator will also determine size.  I believe Sweet was using sine waves so a cheap audio amplifier might work?  I'd try every kind of wave (sine, triangle, square) and compare outputs at various frequencies.

 * The load is probably a big factor as well (impedance matching).


Whatever you build, keep a log and record your inputs and outputs with every variation.  It's hard to know what combination of factors is going to give you the best results.
 :)

Yes! Please share your build information and results ~ this design has my interested too. But likely very tricky to get everything just right. . . .


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R - No, this is not the case. Again, see: Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation

Trueresearch - See the above Video - Please consider this "Shared"...

After all, lets look at some key words here:

   Self Assisted
   Assisted Oscillation
   Self Assisted Oscillation
   Bucking Magnetic Field
   Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation
   Self Assisted Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation



Now what am I saying here? What have I tried for so long to get accross? Lets start with SIMPLICITY!!! Dont over think this. It really is not hard to grasp the basic concepts.

Bump!!!

For those that do not comprehend, have not been following, but wish to comprehend and follow, to learn something and to achieve a common Goal:

Action: - (Primary Coil) - Your Input. A Magnetic Field, a result of Current Flow in your Primary Coil, that will likely have a Reactive Component. Considered as the Prime Mover.

Reaction: - (Secondary Coil) - Typically considered as a Negative result on the Action. Lenz's Law (the -), a negative result of the Secondary Coil on the Primary Coil.

Counter-Reaction: - (Secondary Coil) - Another Negative result, but this time assisting the Action, the primary, or the Action, but at the same time Countering the Reaction. Lenz's Law (the -).

The two Secondary's are what I call Partnered Output Coils!

These principals can be arranged in many configurations that may result in a working device, and the opposite is also true.



A Hydraulic Ram Pump uses the same principals!!! 300+ Years Old. Self Running, Gravity Machine.


Concerntrate on one thing, the effects in this Video:  Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6979 on: June 04, 2016, 02:35:13 AM »

If that above circuit has OU potential, it's only going to be in a specific balanced window.  Can't just wind any bifilar and make it work (I've tried).  It would only be when there is a certain balance to the design.

 * You'll probably need some gap distance between the ferrite and magnets.  Especially if they're Neodymium.  Too close and your oscillator will probably not be able to kick the field hard enough.

 * # of windings are important for the same reason.  Higher # of turns means more magnetics, but it also means more resistance.  Sweet's bifilars were supposedly 20awg and 240 turns, that should give you at least a baseline to work from. 

 * Power capabilities of your oscillator will also determine size.  I believe Sweet was using sine waves so a cheap audio amplifier might work?  I'd try every kind of wave (sine, triangle, square) and compare outputs at various frequencies.

 * The load is probably a big factor as well (impedance matching).


Whatever you build, keep a log and record your inputs and outputs with every variation.  It's hard to know what combination of factors is going to give you the best results.
 :)


@R - When I say no, there is a point where a "Best" output is achieved. But this does not stop the device from working.

Tom Bearden and the others involved with the MEG, were exactly right, this simply is a "Generator" - Thw Motionless Electromagnetic "Generator"

If we refresh our memorys on Induction, whats the first rule?

   Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field

Feed Forward and Feed Back is what this is. This is how it works. So many think that Electrical Energy is totally Consummed by the Load! This is NOT TRUE - Some is. Some can be used to do Work.


E.G: To Assist in the Opperation of itself!!!


Thus the Video Title: Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation

It just so happens that the Magnetic Fields Interact with each other in such a way as to Reduce the Effects of Lenz's Law, Magnetic Fields that Oppose each other.

Like I have said, this can work many ways, but following the basic rules of Electromagnetic Induction will be the most simple.


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P.S: When I say a "Shorted Coil" This is supposed to represent the Maximium Possible Load for the Device. For example, These devices will never show any OU unless sufficent Load is connected to the Device. Why? Because Current (I) through Turns (N) with Core Permeability (μ) is the Magnetic Field (B) - We need a sufficent Magnetic Field in Each Coil to make the Device work. It is Magnetic Field Interactions that Give You Over Unity in these devices - So work on getting your Magnetic Fields Up!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6979 on: June 04, 2016, 02:35:13 AM »
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« Reply #6980 on: June 09, 2016, 05:14:45 PM »
The first post shown in post #7032 is actually Floyd Sweet's Space Quanta Modulator (SQM). It was the precursor to the Vacuum Triode Amplifier (VTA) which is actually a name Tom Bearden gave the later device.

What most people miss about the Hendershot Magnatronic is that it uses a 3-pole magnet from a radar magnetron. The two outer poles are the same polarity and the center pole is the opposite polarity of the outer poles. That makes the magnet essentially the same as the SQM setup but the Hendershot Magnatronic uses an "armature" and "ringer coils" rather than wrapping the coils on the ferrite rod. Photos of both the Hendershot and Aho builds clearly show the 3-pole magnet but it is shown as two poles in the schematics except for Ed Skilling's schematic. Skilling's schematic shows three poles but the polarities are not marked.

I obtained a 1940's telephone ringer and found that the ringer coils have Permalloy cores which is about the same as HyMu80 - just different brand names. They are both ~80% nickel and ~20% iron. The beauty of Permalloy is that it will support much higher frequencies because of its magnetic properties and has very, very low remanence. This material is still used today to shield magnetic compasses in aircraft. BTW, the 1940's ringer still worked fine before I took it apart to remove the coils and the cores had no detectable magnetic field after 70+ years of being magnetized and demagnetized.

Both the 3-pole radar magnetron magnet and the use of permalloy point to Hendershot's air force connections. I read an article from back in the day that aviators of the time were surprised that Lindbergh found England so accurately. They said he could have ended up anywhere from Norway to North Africa with the dead reckoning navigation of the day. I think Hendershot may have used permalloy to shield Lindbergh's compass and that was Hendershot's contribution to the flight rather than auxiliary power.

Here's some info on Sweet's SQM vs Hendershot's Magnatronic. Note the difference between the steel armature and the HyMu80 armature on a radar magnetron magnet. That's the "magnetic bubble".
http://s25.postimg.org/mbc6dfvtb/Space_Quanta_Modulator2.jpg

A note for Morpher44: I don't have a google account and probably won't ever get one so I'm posting this here rather than on your video site. The paraffin Hendershot used in the coils is not an electret by itself. Making an electret requires a specific mix of waxes and it has to be charged with a uniform field of thousands of volts while it cools which would be hard, if not impossible, while it is in the basket weave coil. The paraffin is, however, a dielectric material and has about the same dielectric constant as the paper used in the Hendershot "CapCoil", as I call it. It is between the capacitor part and the coil part which means it is direct contact with the coil wires' insulation.

A couple of links about the "magnetic bubble":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVhGQaESKEI&feature=g-u-u
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZBdvTrmHyY&feature=youtu.be Start at 43:24 on this one. Then you might want to go back and watch the entire video.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6981 on: June 23, 2016, 08:54:37 AM »



@thx1138 - I am sorry in advance.

The concept of "Magnetic Bubbles" is rubbish. I agree with most of your post, but this sort of stuff, "Magnetic Bubbles", needs to be stopped!

There is no such thing, its rubbish just the same as the alleged "Conditioning" of the Magnets. John Bedini now, as of EFV 30 admits that he thinks the "Conditioning" was a Hoax.

Many thousands of devices before Floyd Sweet worked with none of this Fantasy BS. One can take any large Magnet off the shelf and get a pattern like you show. This is nothing amazing and nothing special, it certianly does not and never will prove any Fantasy BS that any should go wildly chasing. Floyd Sweet said:

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We can see that the model's origins likely arose from the operation called "flux cutting", a most deceiving and misleading term. A better term, "time varying flux modulation", does not imply any separation of lines of flux. Truly, lines of flux are always in closure upon themselves and are mathematically expressed as line integrals. It is fallacious to use the term "cutting", which implies time varying separation which does not in fact ever occur. A motionally induced E-field is actually created within the space occupied by the moving magnetic flux described above. This field is present therein, whether or not a conductor is present in the space.


A Magnetic Field will always take the shortest symetrical path.

I am all for free speech, but when it is nothing but missleading for the masses, I am totally against it!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Magnet Field lines of opposing magnets and attrating magnets
« Reply #6982 on: June 30, 2016, 05:27:03 AM »
Hello Guys I found this video on YouTube,  about magnet field lines shown on an old TV   like Floyd Sweet also showed in one of his video`s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYf_7VRrYeU

Does anyone have a link to that video.

Very interesting to see the round Bar Magnet inside the ring magnetron Magnet.

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« Reply #6983 on: July 03, 2016, 09:14:34 AM »
Hello Guys I found this video on YouTube,  about magnet field lines shown on an old TV   like Floyd Sweet also showed in one of his video`s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYf_7VRrYeU

Does anyone have a link to that video.

Very interesting to see the round Bar Magnet inside the ring magnetron Magnet.



Enjoy:

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Re: Magnet Field lines of opposing magnets and attrating magnets
« Reply #6983 on: July 03, 2016, 09:14:34 AM »
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Re: Magnet Field lines of opposing magnets and attrating magnets
« Reply #6984 on: July 03, 2016, 09:34:35 AM »
Hello Guys I found this video on YouTube,  about magnet field lines shown on an old TV   like Floyd Sweet also showed in one of his video`s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYf_7VRrYeU

Does anyone have a link to that video.

Very interesting to see the round Bar Magnet inside the ring magnetron Magnet.



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Re: Magnet Field lines of opposing magnets and attrating magnets
« Reply #6985 on: July 03, 2016, 09:36:40 AM »
Hello Guys I found this video on YouTube,  about magnet field lines shown on an old TV   like Floyd Sweet also showed in one of his video`s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYf_7VRrYeU

Does anyone have a link to that video.

Very interesting to see the round Bar Magnet inside the ring magnetron Magnet.



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Re: Magnet Field lines of opposing magnets and attrating magnets
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Re: Magnet Field lines of opposing magnets and attrating magnets
« Reply #6986 on: July 03, 2016, 09:38:36 AM »
Hello Guys I found this video on YouTube,  about magnet field lines shown on an old TV   like Floyd Sweet also showed in one of his video`s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYf_7VRrYeU

Does anyone have a link to that video.

Very interesting to see the round Bar Magnet inside the ring magnetron Magnet.



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Re: Magnet Field lines of opposing magnets and attrating magnets
« Reply #6987 on: July 03, 2016, 09:41:00 AM »
Hello Guys I found this video on YouTube,  about magnet field lines shown on an old TV   like Floyd Sweet also showed in one of his video`s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYf_7VRrYeU

Does anyone have a link to that video.

Very interesting to see the round Bar Magnet inside the ring magnetron Magnet.



Continued:

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6988 on: July 03, 2016, 09:43:03 AM »



The above videos were from the old, orriginal Floyd Sweet Yahoo Group, maybe around 98/99 or so when they were posted.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6989 on: July 05, 2016, 02:04:27 AM »
Thanks very much Chris,
I am really happy with all the information and links and video`s and insights you share.

There is a lot going on in the Free Energy scene ...

But I still think partnered output coils  have  a big potential   in different  kinds of set up.

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