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Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6960 on: May 03, 2016, 02:11:59 PM »
Excuse the intrusion Chris,but the time has come-im done with this clowns BS and lies.


@ MH
It is time for you to show that you can answer your own question about the coil and ideal voltage,as were all sick of hearing about how EMJ and Wattsup couldnt answer it.
It's basic !!001!! electronics as far as your concerned,so answer the question,and show us that your not the fraud everyone is starting to think you are.
We can then judge you like you have judged EMJ and Wattsup.


Brad

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6960 on: May 03, 2016, 02:11:59 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6961 on: May 03, 2016, 06:24:47 PM »


This is a thing of Beauty!!!

For those wondering, the small box at the top, its a: BERTONEE NPS-12D8S Transformer

Don said this was self sustaining, in one video, there was a 12V 7AH Battery powering this deivice. He also said that this was only part of the complete device.

Beauty, simplicity, amazing!

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Chris,
Are you showing that he was stepping his charge up to HV/HF thru the transformer and then stepping it down to LV/HC thru a set of heavy gauge partnered output coils?
Bob

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6962 on: May 03, 2016, 10:19:26 PM »
Excuse the intrusion Chris,but the time has come-im done with this clowns BS and lies.


@ MH
It is time for you to show that you can answer your own question about the coil and ideal voltage,as were all sick of hearing about how EMJ and Wattsup couldnt answer it.
It's basic !!001!! electronics as far as your concerned,so answer the question,and show us that your not the fraud everyone is starting to think you are.
We can then judge you like you have judged EMJ and Wattsup.


Brad



Hey Brad,

I have worked in an industry for some 18 odd years, where the one thing I know for sure, one can not know everything all the time.

Youre always welcome to post on my thread, and it certianly is not an intrusion.

But certianly I hold no grudges about a question that MH asked and I did not answer with what he wanted to hear.

Its a classic Pissing competition and the wind has already turned. MH has already copped several streams...

    Chris Sykes
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6962 on: May 03, 2016, 10:19:26 PM »
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6963 on: May 03, 2016, 10:45:45 PM »
Chris,
Are you showing that he was stepping his charge up to HV/HF thru the transformer and then stepping it down to LV/HC thru a set of heavy gauge partnered output coils?
Bob


Hi Bob,

I can only make a guess on other peoples devices. But I know for sure, Don is using the same ideas/Tech I am using.

Don actually says alot of the same things I have also said. Some a bit different also.

I have not gone to High Frequency, this is where I just dont know exactly how this works for Don. I was never able to get anything to work at High Frequency. Probably because I never went to High Voltage.

The basic Ideas on the Coils, one Input, and multiple Output, are the same. You see, when you use more than one coil on the Output, the Magnetic Fields are stressed. These Stressed Fields do two things. They limit the Reflection (Lenz's Law) back on the Primary, and also at the same time, they "Generate" excess Electrical Charge at the same time.

Tom Beardens MEG is the same, Both Output Coils need to be Loaded correctly to make the MEG go OU. Dissconnect one and the OU Effect is gone.

So, my first guess at what Don is actually doing in this device is actually a Coil configuration like Daniel McFarland Cook, Cross Connected, with a L1 of say 12 turns CW and L2 of say 7 turns CCW, this being repeated again, opposite, for L3 and L4.

See Image below:

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6964 on: May 03, 2016, 11:05:27 PM »



@Bob, regarding Stepping up...

This device did apparently light the lights in the demonstration found here: Donald L Smith 1996 Tesla Symposium Part 13 and Donald L Smith 1996 Tesla Symposium Part 14

Don said that this was incomplete when he did the Demo in this Video: Donald L Smith Inventors Weekend 2001, but this device ran @ 55KHz.

So, unfortunately, I just dont know what part is incomplete. What we do know is that the Neon Transformer was 3000 VAC @20mA : 60 Watts Input is only: 11-14VDC @ 1.0-1.2Amps : 16.8 Watts

I did not see a Frequency component there. Some can be approximately 30kHz, but I am not sure what this particular one is.

The frequency was measured at the conference above to be 60Hz @ 100 Volts.

So, some guess work will be required.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline Bob Smith

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6965 on: May 04, 2016, 05:00:09 AM »
Thanks for your thoughtful replies, Chris. Yes, I can see that HF really wouldn't be necessary as perhaps the HV might. Anyhow, you've given me more to ponder along these lines. I'm always intrigued by the DS setup and the electrodynamics within and behind it. EPD has some interesting things to say in one of his recent phone interviews (YouTube) with Aaron Murakami - along the lines of the nature of electricity. All pieces of the puzzle to slowly move toward a more complete picture of what's really been going on in the electrical world despite the obfuscations that ensued from the time of Tesla on (and yes, even with the DM Cook 'battery', Alfred Hubbard's setup and so many others). In many ways it's hidden in plain sight - just a matter of understanding it with the power of reason and logic.
Blessings, and thanks again.
Bob

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6966 on: May 04, 2016, 11:10:04 PM »
The basic Ideas on the Coils, one Input, and multiple Output, are the same. You see, when you use more than one coil on the Output, the Magnetic Fields are stressed. These Stressed Fields do two things. They limit the Reflection (Lenz's Law) back on the Primary, and also at the same time, they "Generate" excess Electrical Charge at the same time.

Hi EMJ, All this happens with a single coil.
Stress it , and it can give many different results, just depends where your looking.
I'm trying to figure out the exact firing order, Coil 1&9 will charge 2&8, 2 & 8 will charge 1 & 9, but you lose a little each time.
That still leaves 3&7 4&6 , and 5 as a float.
I'm not sure what a coil dose is fully understood?
That's even before any shorting or partnering coils.
artv

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6967 on: May 06, 2016, 01:10:31 AM »
The basic Ideas on the Coils, one Input, and multiple Output, are the same. You see, when you use more than one coil on the Output, the Magnetic Fields are stressed. These Stressed Fields do two things. They limit the Reflection (Lenz's Law) back on the Primary, and also at the same time, they "Generate" excess Electrical Charge at the same time.

Hi EMJ, All this happens with a single coil.
Stress it , and it can give many different results, just depends where your looking.
I'm trying to figure out the exact firing order, Coil 1&9 will charge 2&8, 2 & 8 will charge 1 & 9, but you lose a little each time.
That still leaves 3&7 4&6 , and 5 as a float.
I'm not sure what a coil dose is fully understood?
That's even before any shorting or partnering coils.
artv


Hi Shylo,

By Stress I mean more than one Magnetic Field in Opposition to the other. I show this in this Video: Opposing Magnetic Field Interactions - Partnered Output Coils

Two or more Output Coils on a Device make the world of difference. This Minimises the Reflection back on the Primary.

I dont use Coil Shorting. Many have and its a common practice on some devices.

    Chris Sykes
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6968 on: May 06, 2016, 10:10:34 AM »
Hi Chris ,"Two or more Output Coils on a Device make the world of difference."
I'm using opposing magnet rotors to generate and drive using the coils to serve both purposes.
The coil sees a north pole on the bottom right at the same time the top left is also seeing a north pole you can collect off that single coil four different ways.
Thanks for that video it makes perfect sense that opposing fields should be used.
artv

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6969 on: May 09, 2016, 11:41:37 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6970 on: May 09, 2016, 11:05:08 PM »
Chris

Come join us,and have another crack at it.

http://overunity.com/16589/mhs-ideal-coil-and-voltage-question/msg483520/#new


Brad


Sorry Brad been busy. Reading now to catch up.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6971 on: May 10, 2016, 11:47:20 AM »
@All

May I kindly ask to stop insulting each other on who is right and who isn't and concentrate on the topic of this thread: sharing information and learning from it ?
It could be possible that everybody has it right in some way or the other but together not realizing that the truth has many true faces (see attached image), so
please: Judging anybody complete wrong or right does not lead us all to a better understanding of this thread's true phenomenon ...

@EMJunkie

Thank you for sharing your experiences and results of your own experiments to all of us for learning. Please don't let yourself be distracted by anybody in this thread
trying to get you into arguing about different things and stealing your time for what you originally started this thread.
I would also daresay that there are more people in this forum which are listening to what you are sharing and do their benchwork although not directly commenting on that extensively (think about it: would you rather actually doing something or just writing comments on a forum? Which one would you get more along? Talking or Doing?).
I would guess all the "silent" builders in here would be intelligent enough to pick out the gems from the background noise.

@Partnered Output Coils

What I was pondering is: Isn't it that if one set of partnered output coils is present in a closed magnetic flux path, they will actively cancel out any influence
of any additionally added coil weather it be an input coil and or one or more output coils ?


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6972 on: May 16, 2016, 05:49:37 AM »
@All

May I kindly ask to stop insulting each other on who is right and who isn't and concentrate on the topic of this thread: sharing information and learning from it ?
It could be possible that everybody has it right in some way or the other but together not realizing that the truth has many true faces (see attached image), so
please: Judging anybody complete wrong or right does not lead us all to a better understanding of this thread's true phenomenon ...

@EMJunkie

Thank you for sharing your experiences and results of your own experiments to all of us for learning. Please don't let yourself be distracted by anybody in this thread
trying to get you into arguing about different things and stealing your time for what you originally started this thread.
I would also daresay that there are more people in this forum which are listening to what you are sharing and do their benchwork although not directly commenting on that extensively (think about it: would you rather actually doing something or just writing comments on a forum? Which one would you get more along? Talking or Doing?).
I would guess all the "silent" builders in here would be intelligent enough to pick out the gems from the background noise.

@Partnered Output Coils

What I was pondering is: Isn't it that if one set of partnered output coils is present in a closed magnetic flux path, they will actively cancel out any influence
of any additionally added coil weather it be an input coil and or one or more output coils ?


Hi Magnetizer,

Sorry for the late reply. Been really busy lately.

True! I was not here for many years, not reading and not posting. I was busy experimenting! Having Fun!!! This is very labourous for me! I find it hard to spend time here posting the same stuff all the time. Like everyone, my life carrys on also and taking the time to post what I have learned is a Job in its own right.

Yes, youre right, many that keep quiet!

There are many ways to make Partnered Output Coils work, for example, Wistiti's Toroid, Tinman used the same concepts in his Rotary Transformer, I have always said, many Roads lead to Rome!

Simply, the basic concepts are, 2 Output Coils, Current must be flowing and youre on your way!

Yes, some configurations can Cancel out the Influience of External Fields.

    Chris Sykes
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6973 on: June 02, 2016, 05:02:31 AM »



Has anyone replicated the following yet?


My thoughts and best wishes to all in Venezuela that are suffering due to the selfish actions of a few.


    Chris Sykes
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6974 on: June 02, 2016, 05:34:54 AM »

Magnets have a Magnetic Path, symetrical configuration is an optimal configuration...

Connecting the Dots... the above device would be a Closed Loop device, some what the same as: Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation

    Chris Sykes
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