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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 2319995 times)

Offline Reiyuki

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6885 on: April 26, 2016, 12:01:20 AM »
Since this type of circuit is essentially suppressing the magnetic component from the system, the output is basically capacitive, right?

This would mean that to increase the output of these devices we should be winding coils that maximizes the capacitance between the two opposed coils.

Stacks of opposed pancake coils would be interesting to try,  or simply stacking opposed layers of wire on a PVC tube like TK.   2 layers CW then 2 layers CCW.

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« Reply #6885 on: April 26, 2016, 12:01:20 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6886 on: April 26, 2016, 12:34:38 AM »
Since this type of circuit is essentially suppressing the magnetic component from the system, the output is basically capacitive, right?

This would mean that to increase the output of these devices we should be winding coils that maximizes the capacitance between the two opposed coils.

Stacks of opposed pancake coils would be interesting to try,  or simply stacking opposed layers of wire on a PVC tube like TK.   2 layers CW then 2 layers CCW.


Hey R,

There does seem to be a Capacitive component here, I cant nail down this capacity.

Hahahaha yes, if you like a Flux Capacitor...

I am still learning, I dont know as much as I would like. Its very difficult to grasp some of this. I am sure there is a simple explanation, I just have yet to work some of this out.

Really, I have tried to start at the start, where I started. I have tried to keep this as simple as I can. I have gone to mamoth efforts to try to understand as much as I have already and explain this with Real Science.  I believe enough is already explained. At least enopugh to get started.

There is more to learn than one lifetime can fit. It is a global effort. We need all Hands On, or there will be very little progress.

EDIT: The Magnetic Fields are still present in these devices. Any current Flow constitutes a Magnetic Field. Two Coils, Partnered Output Coils, Stress the Magnetic Fields between themselves, limiting the reflectance back on the Primary.

See: Opposing Magnetic Field Interactions - Partnered Output Coils - This very clearly gives a Visual display of what is going on.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6887 on: April 26, 2016, 10:59:04 AM »

Hey R,

There does seem to be a Capacitive component here, I cant nail down this capacity.

Hahahaha yes, if you like a Flux Capacitor...

I am still learning, I dont know as much as I would like. Its very difficult to grasp some of this. I am sure there is a simple explanation, I just have yet to work some of this out.

Really, I have tried to start at the start, where I started. I have tried to keep this as simple as I can. I have gone to mamoth efforts to try to understand as much as I have already and explain this with Real Science.  I believe enough is already explained. At least enopugh to get started.

There is more to learn than one lifetime can fit. It is a global effort. We need all Hands On, or there will be very little progress.

EDIT: The Magnetic Fields are still present in these devices. Any current Flow constitutes a Magnetic Field. Two Coils, Partnered Output Coils, Stress the Magnetic Fields between themselves, limiting the reflectance back on the Primary.

See: Opposing Magnetic Field Interactions - Partnered Output Coils - This very clearly gives a Visual display of what is going on.

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This might help (see attached):
http://www.free-energy-info.com/VladimirUtkin.pdf     
Page 6

Does lenz law apply to displacement current?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6888 on: April 26, 2016, 11:40:53 AM »



Hey R - A truely Golden observation!!!

Thanks!!! Will study some and come back to you on this!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6889 on: April 26, 2016, 01:50:18 PM »
Chris
It should be profoundly obvious that making extraordinary claims require more Supporting evidence than
casual reference to "groups of Electrical engineers" using light bulbs as measuring tools ?

I must add here for clarity ,when you turned your nose at Gotoluc when he asked for more guidance and explanation , and then the Koala with his most honest and sincere effort to replicate your claim.

you did your credibility here a huge disservice .

most feel you are hiding for good reason [not making a tutorial Vid [# 54 in the series] showing how you got your OU claim that this thread was founded on.

anytime anyone tries to address this issue or engage you , you start fires to distract from the question.. or arguments totally
separate from your claims .

or point the  shakey finger at them ...??

well when you shut down one of the forums best replicators and call him a liar ...and refuse to help him understand why he does not see what you see ??

at the very least you are DISENGENUOUS
and then to assume others [lest experienced] will follow you in this ??

you have got to be Kidding ??

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clear the air
Pick up where you left off at least a year ago
show us why Tinsels replication with no apparent validation was wrong ?

Run TOWARDS the investigation ...Not away !

lead from infront
not behind !

The Koala's investigation stands as evidence of "issues" with your claim.

address those issues and move forward.

clear the air

or keep pointing to the Shadows and my incompetence ..

because honestly
my bench skills and Life experience in OU claims investigation could not hold a candle to the Koala's ,and if you expect me to see something he does not see on the Bench during an honest and public exchange with yourself ??

bad news indeed !!



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Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6890 on: April 26, 2016, 03:42:14 PM »
One has to wonder as to why Faraday would claim such laws that do not conform to his very own invention-the faraday disc generator.

There need not be a magnetic field changing in time in relation to a conductor,to produce an EMF or current flow.
There needs to be only motion,and a fixed reference point to that motion.


Brad.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6891 on: April 26, 2016, 10:28:13 PM »
Chris
It should be profoundly obvious that making extraordinary claims require more Supporting evidence than
casual reference to "groups of Electrical engineers" using light bulbs as measuring tools ?

I must add here for clarity ,when you turned your nose at Gotoluc when he asked for more guidance and explanation , and then the Koala with his most honest and sincere effort to replicate your claim.

you did your credibility here a huge disservice .

most feel you are hiding for good reason [not making a tutorial Vid [# 54 in the series] showing how you got your OU claim that this thread was founded on.

anytime anyone tries to address this issue or engage you , you start fires to distract from the question.. or arguments totally
separate from your claims .

or point the  shakey finger at them ...??

well when you shut down one of the forums best replicators and call him a liar ...and refuse to help him understand why he does not see what you see ??

at the very least you are DISENGENUOUS
and then to assume others [lest experienced] will follow you in this ??

you have got to be Kidding ??

----------------------------------------
clear the air
Pick up where you left off at least a year ago
show us why Tinsels replication with no apparent validation was wrong ?

Run TOWARDS the investigation ...Not away !

lead from infront
not behind !

The Koala's investigation stands as evidence of "issues" with your claim.

address those issues and move forward.

clear the air

or keep pointing to the Shadows and my incompetence ..

because honestly
my bench skills and Life experience in OU claims investigation could not hold a candle to the Koala's ,and if you expect me to see something he does not see on the Bench during an honest and public exchange with yourself ??

bad news indeed !!



Chet K



Chet K - All I hear is Complain, Complain, Complain, Whimper, Whimper, Whimper...

A fair bit of demanding in there also.

You see, I told you, Page 5, Reply #74 on: January 21, 2015, 10:01:23 AM »



I am not going down the "Measurement" path - Bill Alek a qualified EE has been ridiculed without any evidence to the contrary. My measurements are not up for debate here.

I am giving people the How's, Why's and the Secrets to build their own Devices. Its up to them to make their own decisions.




You, and others like you just don’t get it, I am ok with that, its ok. I bought one thing to this thread, direction. Many have seen that direction and made great discoveries in this direction.

You, and others like you are pilfering from others future and their Direction. Because you’re too dam lazy to get up out of your arm chair and try a few things! What are you scared of?

Succeeding???

Hahahaha Funny isn’t it!!!

I am not here to Breast Feed anyone, I am not your Mother!! Besides, you’re big Kids now, time to stand on your own two feet!!!

If I was, in any way, rude to, or upset, GotoLuc in any way I apologise!!! Dealing with Brain Dead Morons like Chet K is just a joke and I get Pumped in the moments. So I apologise publicly to any and all I have upset that I did not intend to.

However some Brain Dead Morons do deserve to be Bullocked!!!

TK was wrong, I proved it and he never corrected Himself. So get over your Cry Baby attitude Chet K!!!

It’s plain and simple, If you can’t do it yourself, then you can’t do it at all – Stop Complaining about it!!!

Truly, if it wasn’t for me You would still  be Joule Thief and Bedini SG Motor fanatics. I have, whether you like it or not, changed the future of research of the field you so Gloriously defend from “Claims”!!!

Let’s not forget again, this thread has seen how many reported Successes?

People like you Chet K make me angry, you do nothing to help others, you show nothing to help others, your Posts are just real painful to read, bad formatting and terrible layout. You have absolutely Nothing of value to share with anyone… Youre a complete waste of electronic space..

How about, instead, you do your bit?

How about you get out of your arm chair and prove me wrong? Replicate all my experiments and show where all my effects I have shown for many years, show where I have gotten it all wrong?

Look, the point is, weather you post or not Chet K, for decades, What I have shown is Everywhere, its in every second document you download, every second page you visit, all the greats used it, all have their own way of showing it, Reiyuki’s last post clearly diagrammatically displayed it.

Sooner, or later, once people connect the dots, they will clearly see that the wingers and complainers like you, are just a distraction.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6892 on: April 26, 2016, 10:55:11 PM »
One has to wonder as to why Faraday would claim such laws that do not conform to his very own invention-the faraday disc generator.

There need not be a magnetic field changing in time in relation to a conductor,to produce an EMF or current flow.
There needs to be only motion,and a fixed reference point to that motion.


Brad.




Hey Brad,

Yes, you are looking at a subject that many have looked at for 185 Years now.

This may help some: Experimental Researches in Electricity, vols. I. and II to get an insight on where and how Faraday approached his work.

This part, we already know: How Magnets Produce Electricity - 1954 US Navy Training Film

It all happens in the Wire Conductor! The Magnetic Field at 90 Degrees, is an Electric Field - The Change in Time is Rate at which the Separation occurs, faster, the faster the Separation.

Lenz's Law is an EMF to EMF Law. Not a Current to EMF, not a Magnetic Flux (ϕ) to EMF Law. Its the Electromotive Force to Electromotive Force.

Many stupid idiots will try to confuse the plainly obvious and the already known. If you take Lenz's law out of the equation, or it is thought about, properly, then the Disk Generator is entirely explainable via Faradays Law.

Motion is simply taken from a different reference frame.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6893 on: April 26, 2016, 11:32:00 PM »


@Brad - Re the different reference Frame...

Quote from: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-fast-is-the-earth-mov/

Thus, the surface of the earth at the equator moves at a speed of 460 meters per second--or roughly 1,000 miles per hour. As schoolchildren, we learn that the earth is moving about our sun in a very nearly circular orbit. It covers this route at a speed of nearly 30 kilometers per second, or 67,000 miles per hour


Why do we see no EMF from our arrangement of Magnets and Coils?

Because we are all moving at the same velocity in the same direction.

Sit our Magnet in Space, with no Velocity, and the Coil on our Generator passes the Magnet at 67,000 miles per hour...

Now if we were to live on the Magnet, and the Generator passed us at 67,000 miles per hour, then this frame would still see the Velocity we saw before. The same value of EMF Would be "Generated".

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6894 on: April 26, 2016, 11:38:26 PM »



@Chet K


Have you made any attempt, at all, to replicate this:


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6895 on: April 26, 2016, 11:40:46 PM »



@Chet K - I have!


There is Value to this: Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation

But you refuse to see the plainy obvious!!!


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« Reply #6896 on: April 27, 2016, 12:09:19 AM »



I read many years ago, a line from I think Mark Hendershot, it read something similar to: My dad studied the Fluxgate Compass and his ideas were spawned from this device... Similar not the same...

What did I go out and do, the first thing I did was study as much as I could on the Flux Gate magnetometers. There is two different types. Earth Inductor Compass and the Fluxgate Magnetometer. Shown below. Then I built it, learned as much as I could from it.

Some videos I have shared: (Apr 5, 2010)
   Magnetic Induction Compass - Flux Gate Magnetometer
   Flux Gate Magnetometer or Solid state Generator?
   
   

I found there were a few tricks to make this work efficiently. I have already shared these tricks here with you!

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« Reply #6897 on: April 27, 2016, 01:01:18 AM »



Now, lets think, what would a: Self Assisted Oscillation in a Shorted Coil - Bucking Magnetic Field Oscillation do to help one of these devices Operate?

What have we been told through history: "In this system input power is almost completely REACTIVE at RESONANCE with output in the load being real and inphase, of course"


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6898 on: April 27, 2016, 01:05:19 AM »
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"Does lenz law apply to displacement current?"

What I mean to ask is what features does displacement current share with conventional current?  Does it have a magnetic field?  Does it involve electron current?  Does is generate heat?  Is displacement current 'real' or is it a mathematical artifact?

Either answer could have some really wild ramifications.

I'll leave some more random reading material on the subject as I think the answer to the above is important to cracking this nut.

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A Revisiting of Scientific and Philosophical Perspectives on Maxwell's Displacement Current
http://www.eecs.wsu.edu/~shira/selvan09.pdf

Displacement current doesn't exist
http://www.asps.it/miller00.pdf
https://www.antennex.com/shack/Aug05/dc-final_piece.pdf

The Wiki authors have some interesting discussions on the matter as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ADisplacement_current#Origins_of_Displacement_Current

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6899 on: April 27, 2016, 01:07:19 AM »

@Brad - Re the different reference Frame...

Why do we see no EMF from our arrangement of Magnets and Coils?

Because we are all moving at the same velocity in the same direction.

Sit our Magnet in Space, with no Velocity, and the Coil on our Generator passes the Magnet at 67,000 miles per hour...

Now if we were to live on the Magnet, and the Generator passed us at 67,000 miles per hour, then this frame would still see the Velocity we saw before. The same value of EMF Would be "Generated".

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we learn that the earth is moving about our sun in a very nearly circular orbit.

And it is this very kind of bullshit we are taught that stop's most moving forward beyond the point at which we are now.
How in hell do you orbit an object in a circular orbit,when that object is moving?. Even those with just a basic understanding of motion between two objects could work out that that is crap-->the earth dose not move around the sun in a circular orbit--not even close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU


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