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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6360 on: December 05, 2015, 09:22:27 PM »
Here is my bucking field HHO circuit--simple as.
Oh,and you also get 240 volts to run lights :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM



NICE Work Tinman!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6361 on: December 05, 2015, 09:24:53 PM »
Hi guys,

I have only been active on this forum for a couple of months now although I actually joined a few years ago.  I became active here after several years at the Erroneous Forum.  I  just got tired of the silly babble over there.  I have worked in electronics for over 50 years so I can tell the difference between silly babble like a lot of what is on the EF.  I also can easily spot those that are actually working hard to try and learn and make a difference.  Since I have been active here I have found at least 4 members whose posts I just ignore.  It is obvious they are here for only one reason.  That is to discount everything they are against.  It doesn't matter how reasonable an idea is if they don't like it they will try to shout it down.  I just ignore them.  I don't have a problem with those that ask questions if those appear to be asked for the right reasons.  Those that harass others that are trying to accomplish something will get their due eventually.  If you don't respond at all to their posts maybe they will go away.  At least the thread wouldn't be filled with their nonsense.  Keep up the good work and ignore the naysayers.

Respectfully,
Carroll



Hi Carroll - Fully agree! We really do, me especially, need to ignore those that simply are time wasters!

Their intentions are to simply fill the thread with Garbage, its what they do best!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6362 on: December 06, 2015, 02:55:21 AM »

I just love Christmas! Christmas Lights, Christmas Cake, the joy of giving, and Christmas Cheer!

Although a stressful time of year for many, sadly... So many have so little these days! Poverty is at an all time high, the statistics show that more family's now are at worse than the great depression standard of living.

This is the time of year of giving, I ask those of you that can afford it, please give this year to the needy. There is no need for Greed!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6363 on: December 06, 2015, 03:00:24 AM »


@Tinman, you up for a little topic changer?

@All - I made a statement a few posts back, and have made it many times in the past. Maybe no one quite understands it?


The Key, I have said it many times: Note: Importantly, for this device to work, Current must be flowing in the Partnered Output Coils! - Page 23 Guidelines to Bucking Coils

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Ok, so lets talk about this? Lets start asking questions, see why this is important!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6364 on: December 06, 2015, 03:58:45 AM »

@Tinman, you up for a little topic changer?

@All - I made a statement a few posts back, and have made it many times in the past. Maybe no one quite understands it?
.

Ok, so lets talk about this? Lets start asking questions, see why this is important!!!

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to me it depends on what you mean by the word:

"flowing'

if you pass a 'voltage' into an inductor you induce a magnetic field, if this goes from 0 to X then you could say that the flux is 'flowing'

but what i thought you meant was that you have to pulsate magnetic flux though the coils at A freq say (Freq Y) etc?

is this what you are saying?

i.e you can use pulsating 'DC' or 'AC' rectified or natural 'AC' (I call it rotating) at certain freq but not 'DC' (i call it non rotating)

what we are calling 'AC' is a 'rotating mag flux.' so maybe we should rename it 'RmF' in future.


i'll be honest with you i don't know what a 'Volt' and a 'unit of current' really is, except the vectors of a 3D pulse of magnetic field.

maybe best understood as 'spacial' and 'counter spacial' like the vortex in a magnet out from the center field.

as stated by the writer of 'hidden secrets of magnetism' you can cut a magnet infinity amount of times and the center of this field will always balance.

Summary (sorry for rambling)


I think you are saying there has to be a fluctuating mag field in the opposing inductors so that the fields create a disturbance.

next issue would be at what freq.

A good relevant example might be Tinman's HHO

i think that the cap is charging and then firing the spark this causes the cap to discharge the field, the coil is shorted then un-shorted right?

however this is really and on/off effect (as i see it) at the point of spark the coil is 'shorted' through the Cap but the cap discharges the field in the HV coil collapses and pulses the primary coil.

so to relate that to your statement, when the spark was not induced there was a 'current flowing' but only at the freq and amplitude of the motor when the spark started to modulate the 'current flow' the HHO also started to 'flow' 
: D


if you look here :

http://overunity.com/14583/the-so-called-don-smith-generator/15/#.VmOmv17p-uk

people are asking why the Spark gap is positioned in the 'Don smith' system in series with the LC.

well for me it is like this, to understand.

- people think the Neon tube it providing the Freq  not true.

- The spark gap + Cap is providing the freq.

- the neon-tube is at a high freq but this is just as a consequence of the design and high voltage.

- Don even called the Cap a 'Tuning Cap' tuning what?  the freq obviously.

the coil is important but fixed, you can tune the Freq to the coil by the Cap and the Spark gap (mostly the cap)

Tinman has basically made a type of system similar here and that's why the light provides no load, all credit to TM this is his own native design such is the way of Australian ingenuity ; D

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6365 on: December 06, 2015, 04:02:19 AM »

I think the absolute most important thing in all this work is simply: having a goal to aim for - Not having to work blindly, stumbling through attempt after attempt and getting no where...

I am firm in the belief that this is what I have provided with an absolute wealth of supporting evidence - Please correct me if I am wrong!

Partnered Output Coils are the best way to achieve the goal, Free Energy! It has not been done before, to my knowledge, no one has picked up on this and publicly shared this information. A few have shown the concepts behind this Tech and talked in a very brief bit about it.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6366 on: December 06, 2015, 04:23:53 AM »
to me it depends on what you mean by the word:

"flowing'

if you pass a 'voltage' into an inductor you induce a magnetic field, if this goes from 0 to X then you could say that the flux is 'flowing'

but what i thought you meant was that you have to pulsate magnetic flux though the coils at A freq say (Freq Y) etc?

is this what you are saying?

i.e you can use pulsating 'DC' or 'AC' rectified or natural 'AC' (I call it rotating) at certain freq but not 'DC' (i call it non rotating)

what we are calling 'AC' is a 'rotating mag flux.' so maybe we should rename it 'RmF' in future.


i'll be honest with you i don't know what a 'Volt' and a 'unit of current' really is, except the vectors of a 3D pulse of magnetic field.

maybe best understood as 'spacial' and 'counter spacial' like the vortex in a magnet out from the center field.

as stated by the writer of 'hidden secrets of magnetism' you can cut a magnet infinity amount of times and the center of this field will always balance.

Summary (sorry for rambling)


I think you are saying there has to be a fluctuating mag field in the opposing inductors so that the fields create a disturbance.

next issue would be at what freq.

A good relevant example might be Tinman's HHO

i think that the cap is charging and then firing the spark this causes the cap to discharge the field, the coil is shorted then un-shorted right?

however this is really and on/off effect (as i see it) at the point of spark the coil is 'shorted' through the Cap but the cap discharges the field in the HV coil collapses and pulses the primary coil.

so to relate that to your statement, when the spark was not induced there was a 'current flowing' but only at the freq and amplitude of the motor when the spark started to modulate the 'current flow' the HHO also started to 'flow' 
: D



 


@Digital - The end bit is right, in the middle not so much.

A Voltage is applied across a Coil. Normally Switched in across an Inductor.

The Current will ramp up over time, this can be calculated. A Current (Charges Moving or Flowing) moves through the Conducting Wire in the Coil. As this flow is ramping up over Time, the Magnetic Field also Ramps up over Time. See my pdf document I go into this in some detail.

The Magnetic Field is the Current Flow, they are equivalents, Magnetic Field and Current (Moving Charges)!

See Nikola Tesla's Egg of Columbus to see exactly what a Rotating Magnetic Field is. Of course this is how the Electric Motor works. Perhaps the greatest invention of Nikola Tesla that is in common use today...

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6367 on: December 06, 2015, 04:25:33 AM »
I think the absolute most important thing in all this work is simply: having a goal to aim for - Not having to work blindly, stumbling through attempt after attempt and getting no where...

I am firm in the belief that this is what I have provided with an absolute wealth of supporting evidence - Please correct me if I am wrong!

Partnered Output Coils are the best way to achieve the goal, Free Energy! It has not been done before, to my knowledge, no one has picked up on this and publicly shared this information. A few have shown the concepts behind this Tech and talked in a very brief bit about it.

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is not the image above not a 'partnered' coil?


if we look carefully at it.


the primary is fluctuating via the Cap spark gap - and inducing the same basic effect as in TM HHO design, but look at the secondaries.

this is where the 'power' is to come from, that is a partnered coil system is it not?

in this case there is an 'air core' and no permanent magnets but the systems seems viable to me as proven by Tinmans video there.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6368 on: December 06, 2015, 04:30:20 AM »
is not the image above not a 'partnered' coil?


if we look carefully at it.


the primary is fluctuating via the Cap spark gap - and inducing the same basic effect as in TM HHO design, but look at the secondaries.

this is where the 'power' is to come from, that is a partnered coil system is it not?

in this case there is an 'air core' and no permanent magnets but the systems seems viable to me as proven by Tinmans video there.



I think you have answered your questions there Digital!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6369 on: December 06, 2015, 04:40:03 AM »
one more time for the forum:

if you watch Tinmans HHO video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM

and then look at the image of the 'Don smith system'

you might find that there are 3 key things 'tuning' the freq of the Primary in the image:

- the Variac
- The cap
and
- The spark gap

this is all in the objective to make that primary pulse at a certain freq.

the viraic is adjusted for the spark gap efficiency, the cap is adjusted for the speed to fire.

then after that the Primary mag field effects strongly the 'partnered coil' system on the secondary.

this seems viable to me.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6370 on: December 06, 2015, 09:08:09 PM »
one more time for the forum:

if you watch Tinmans HHO video -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW4dR4cUQM

and then look at the image of the 'Don smith system'

you might find that there are 3 key things 'tuning' the freq of the Primary in the image:

- the Variac
- The cap
and
- The spark gap

this is all in the objective to make that primary pulse at a certain freq.

the viraic is adjusted for the spark gap efficiency, the cap is adjusted for the speed to fire.

then after that the Primary mag field effects strongly the 'partnered coil' system on the secondary.

this seems viable to me.


Yes once one starts looking examples of Partnered Output Coils are everywhere!

Not always Over Unity, because they don't always go Over Unity, there is a certain guide line that one has to follow, which I have already outlined. It takes a little work, a lot of thinking and possible just a little bit of luck...

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6371 on: December 06, 2015, 11:06:06 PM »
Not always Over Unity, because they don't always go Over Unity, there is a certain guide line that one has to follow, which I have already outlined. It takes a little work, a lot of thinking and possible just a little bit of luck...

I would like to reiterate what Chris has said above using his own words.

Post 274 on page 19 (over 400 pages back BTW)
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434894/#msg434894

One of Ten Devices may work as I have said


So make sure you go into this with the mindset that, even if you follow the specs to the letter,
you have only a 1 in 10 chance of it working.

But Good Luck all

Pete

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6372 on: December 06, 2015, 11:08:16 PM »

PART1:

Tinman and others -

have you seen this?

isn't it strange what you can do with just some sound-waves and water?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWO93G-zLZ0

people can do this pretty easily i think

in fact i think amazon sold a kit but searching it on google (don't be evil) it seem to be a 'blocked' search now ha ha

anyhow i wonder if anyone calculated the heat inside the bubble with the energy to produce the sound waves?
Thank you for the video

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence
 in this article  it is important to  analyze Quote:
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In SBSL, a single bubble trapped in an acoustic standing wave emits a pulse of light with each compression of the bubble within the standing wave.This technique allowed a more systematic study of the phenomenon, because it isolated the complex effects into one stable, predictable bubble. It was realized that the temperature inside the bubble was hot enough to melt steel.[citation needed] Interest in sonoluminescence was renewed when an inner temperature of such a bubble well above one millionkelvins was postulated.[citation needed] This temperature is thus far not conclusively proven; rather, recent experiments conducted by theUniversity of Illinois at Urbana–Champaign indicate temperatures around 20000 K.
it would be 19726.85 Celsius or 35540.33 Fahrenheit.!!!


 Also important is to note:
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Single-bubble sonoluminescence pulses can have very stable periods and positions.!!!


the power of released and indicated by  flashes energy, is no more than 10mW per flash (* multiply by number  of flashes), and will "never" be more than total power of sound source.However  it can be used as a trigger.
Who said that we have to pay for sound, or the sound conversion.
Think about ten  $1 bills.... .... equals 10 when added, in one particular pocket.
Think about  then  people singing  at the same time to  the same  tube .
Think about thermal conductivity
 http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/thrcn.html


I have some ideas how to convert that energy to usable form of energy  to us.
However It is not substantiated  in my  head well enough  to be published, and by that once published it must be  immune  from many human elements  of poor judgement and no class - these scumbags  from you guys  who would like to  take advantage and patent  it. I'll make sure  that  whatever I publish is in the form well  enough to become public property once and forever.
I'm not communist, Free  Energy is communistic.


Yes I might also think  about patenting something to my own pleasure of   making crowd a licensed beneficiary and  reach wealthy industry the losers.
But that is my dream for  big guys paying  hundreds times more than simple Joe, just because I  like it this way.


AND NOW LOOK AT PICTURE FROM THE BOTTOM AND START THINKING about what is said above and  relation to the  thermal conductivity.













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PART 2:


Everything said below is not related to upper part


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Quote from: tinman on December 05, 2015, 05:12:53 PMNo. When an arc forms across the spark gap,it shorts the secondary/capacitor circuit. this creates a very strong magnetic field in and around the transformer core,and thus gives the primary a big kick in the ass so to speak.


Have you ever played around with coil shorting circuit's?,if so,then you should know how this is working. The ark(spark) is nothing more than a path for the current to flow through.




ah yeah i understand now i'm just not using the correct words in this case.
that is correct you are not using correct words in this case.



ah so the freq is derived from the cap, you 'tune' the spark gap for prime efficiency.

i understand now, it's  a great design, your own idea?
Frequency is not delivered to the capacitor.
The signal
-of given shape
and 
- at  certain  potential ( voltage)
described by
- power in given time frame
gives you conditions to  understand it as  burst, continuous  or impulse.
By that when  such signal is delivered to capacitor it  is altered  by
- inductive  reactance
and
- capacitive reactance   that this capacitor represents to that  signal,  at that given frequency of that signal.
Simply the capacitor is no longer capacitor and it is  analyzed, also as  resonance circuit alone, or component of another resonance circuit the capacitor is part of.
So say, this capacitor  is calculated in  any other resonance  circuit,   having:
-Parallel Resonance and the Parallel RLC Resonant Circuit with Resistance, Inductance and Capacitance connected together
or  series Resonance and the Series RLC Resonant Circuit with Resistance, Inductance and Capacitance connected together
or mix of Series  and  Parallel. (-known and measured as equivalent circuit)

By that capacitor alone will have three  the most significant resonance  frequencies:
-series
- parallel
- equivalent circuit ( mix)
 measured  with  spectrum analyzer it will show  response  in 3 different resonance frequencies


the resonance circuit the capacitor is part of will have also the most significant resonance  frequencies::
-series
- parallel
- equivalent circuit ( mix)
and again  when measured  with  spectrum analyzer it will show response  in  set of another three  main but significantly different resonance frequencies comparing to capacitor alone measurement.



 Plasma will than be  a conductor characterized by   its impedance
All other parameters taken to consideration most likely  will depend  on  impedance of that spark.


Impedance " is made"(- terminology used  for simplicity) from
-resistance,
- inductive  reactance
- capacitive reactance


http://rfic.eecs.berkeley.edu/142/pdf/book_chap7.pdf
Even if reactances could be equal  to (zero)  0 ohm- the resistance will still be present in the circuit unless in cryogenic temperatures ( superconductivity)
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At resonance the impedance takes on a minimal value. It’s worthwhile to investigate the cause of resonance, or the cancellation of the reactive components due to the inductor and capacitor. Since the inductor and capacitor voltages are always 180◦ out of phase, and one reactance is dropping while the other is increasing, there is clearly always a frequency when the magnitudes are equal RESONACE  is close to no impedance.
in our case  please do not think about inductors and capacitors  but inductive and capacitive reactive response - reactance of conductor ( it is exactly the same as talking about L and C)




Every piece of conductor( wire) is  a resonance circuit by itself                           even if not connected anywhere .
Every piece of conductor( wire) has inductance, capacitance, resistance            even if not connected anywhere .
Impedance is property of AC
NOT DC!!!
However any variation of DC creates impedance in the time frame (- in given time frame= time of change)
Plasma is a conductor and resonance circuit with very much  unstable parameters.
Plasma will also be resonance  circuit that  being unstable has 3 main resonances series,  parallel and equivalent circuit but  per fraction for the  second( microsecond) of steady or close to steady state.
In  reality Plasma will be  showing on  Spectrum  Analyzer sort of very wide  envelope of the most significant resonances getting low in amplitude starting  from very high frequencies going up (the hill) and sloping  very low  at low frequency of the  spectrum.
Picture it as the hill with slopes but  high frequency and low frequency slopes are not  symmetric.
As the time goes you will observe "the top of the  hill" fluctuating  more to the right (LF) or to the left(HF)
Usually the  longer the gap distance , the lower is  resonance frequency (of   "top of the hill") of maximum resonance of plasma.
That mechanism is precisely identical to length of piece of wire acting as antenna or resonace circuit- the longer the wire the lower is its resonace frequency.



Wesley




The picture from below  belongs to part #1
« Last Edit: December 07, 2015, 06:01:01 AM by stivep »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6373 on: December 07, 2015, 12:29:15 AM »

@Tinman, you up for a little topic changer?

@All - I made a statement a few posts back, and have made it many times in the past. Maybe no one quite understands it?
.

Ok, so lets talk about this? Lets start asking questions, see why this is important!!!

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What topic changer?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #6374 on: December 07, 2015, 12:41:43 AM »
What topic changer?



Well, good point, its not really. Same Topic, just another re-iteration.

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