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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5235 on: September 26, 2015, 03:36:46 AM »

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Hahaha Bill, what a turn of events!



Now you're CLAIMING Over-Unity!!!



Hahaha, good on you old mate!!!

If you read my posts, you would see, that only four or so posts before your last spout, I did give reference to another success, measured Over-Unity! It was 101.5%


Like I said, right from day one, I am not discussing measurements, I don't need to, so many other people with much better equipment and better skills are doing what I am doing also...

I am here to show concepts that work...

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Where the heck did you get a claim of overunity from me in my post?  I have NEVER made that claim.

So, you are here to show concepts that work but you will not discuss measurements?  Isn't that eliminating the one thing that will show if it "works" or not?  If not for measurements (proper ones) how else can one demonstrate that something works as claimed?

I do not follow this logic at all.  Well, I will admit that self-looping would end all discussions on measurements but I do not recall you showing that either.

Did I miss something?

Bill

PS  In my videos I do claim Free Light as my friends give me their dead batteries that they were going to throw out and I use them to light my home.  Not overunity, just free light.  Last year, we had a blackout, and about 5 of my neighbors dropped by to ask why the power was on at my place and not theirs, ha ha.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5236 on: September 26, 2015, 03:42:50 AM »
A blocking oscillator?
Nice name,but what actually is blocked?.
Current path diversion oscillator would be a better description.

Sure,you can decrease your power consumption by using these oscillators,but you also reduce your light output. So why not just use lower wattage light's ?. You could also put a small inline water turbine between your water supply meter and your home,so as every time you turn a tap on,the little turbine would charge a small battery bank that powers your oscillators. You only pay for the water you use,so the power being generated by the turbine is free :D. This is how i run my garden light's.

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« Reply #5237 on: September 26, 2015, 04:33:46 AM »
A blocking oscillator?
Nice name,but what actually is blocked?.
Current path diversion oscillator would be a better description.

Sure,you can decrease your power consumption by using these oscillators,but you also reduce your light output. So why not just use lower wattage light's ?. You could also put a small inline water turbine between your water supply meter and your home,so as every time you turn a tap on,the little turbine would charge a small battery bank that powers your oscillators. You only pay for the water you use,so the power being generated by the turbine is free :D . This is how i run my garden light's.

Actually, it does not decrease the light output as seen by our eyes.  Instead of turning on/off at 60 times/sec it turns on/off at about 30,000 times/sec and is off just as much as it is on so, I can run a very bright 40 watt equiv. led bulb for many, many hours form a "dead" AA battery.  the bulb is very bright but does not get hot as it is only drawing about 100 mA's.

The water turbine is a good idea as it makes no difference to the water company and you get "free energy".

Just so you know, I did not make up the term blocking oscillator, I was educated in this terminology by the likes of MarkE, TK, MH and .99.  I had always just called them a Joule Thief circuit.

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« Reply #5238 on: September 26, 2015, 04:42:29 AM »
Where the heck did you get a claim of overunity from me in my post?  I have NEVER made that claim.

So, you are here to show concepts that work but you will not discuss measurements?  Isn't that eliminating the one thing that will show if it "works" or not?  If not for measurements (proper ones) how else can one demonstrate that something works as claimed?

I do not follow this logic at all.  Well, I will admit that self-looping would end all discussions on measurements but I do not recall you showing that either.

Did I miss something?

Bill

PS  In my videos I do claim Free Light as my friends give me their dead batteries that they were going to throw out and I use them to light my home.  Not overunity, just free light.  Last year, we had a blackout, and about 5 of my neighbors dropped by to ask why the power was on at my place and not theirs, ha ha.


Bill have you been hacked? Was this not you:

OK, sure...right.  It is obviously over your head Chris so you dismiss it.  Let me see you light 400 leds with a "dead" AA battery?  Can you do that?
Can you light a 48" floro tube with a single "dead" AA battery?
Can you light a gutted cfl with a singe AA battery?
Can you light an 800 lumen 40 watt equivalent led bulb with a single AA battery?

It is NOT a mechanical flasher with a solid state switch...once again, showing your ignorance.  It is simply a blocking oscillator which was invented in 1969 so, not 60 years old.  You spew crap and think they are facts when anyone with the most basic electronics knowledge knows it is crap.

I have still not seen you post any proof to your false claim of a 102% efficient transformer.  I expect you will dodge this yet again and reply with personal attacks.  How long will we have to wait for you to post some sort of proof for this claim?

I am guessing it will be a long, long time.  Why?  Because, like many of your other false claims, you have no evidence to back it up.  We all know this and so do you.

You make personal attacks when asked to back up your false claims.  I call you ignorant which is not a personal attack (look it up) it just means you do not know something.  This can be cured by reading a book which I suggest you do before embarrassing yourself any more than you already have.  A good example of your ignorance is your false statement about the Wright Brothers.  All that did was prove you knew nothing about aviation history.

Check out TK's JT videos and then get back here and tell everyone that they are useless.  I don't expect you will watch any of mine either because, you might actually learn something.  All of the lights in my house are driven by JT circuits but, hey, you are right, no real world practicalities.  I'll bet my electric bill is waaaay lower than yours.

Bill


There is a ton of statements in there that imply you're "Making" Electricity from Nothing!!!

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400 leds with a "dead" AA battery?




So, you're saying, 0.24mw x 400 = 96 watts from No Current Source? A Dead Battery?


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ref: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dead

12.  (Electronics) electronics
a. drained of electric charge; fully discharged: the battery was dead.




So, Bill has now, officially, through definition, Claimed OVER UNITY. Now his continued attack's on my work are no longer valid, he has done the same thing, made a Claim!!!



TK was just about where?  Lost in your fantasy world?  I don't think so Chris.  The bottom line is...TK's circuits work, yours do not.  End of story.  Finished.  Complete.  Done.

Go ahead and try to rewrite history like you tried with Tinman, it does not work here.  I know you will continue to make your FALSE CLAIMS but maybe you will soon realize that no one is listening.  At least, no one that knows anything about electronics.

Bill


It is ironic how things turn out.

Bill, I congratulate you!!!

I am not going to attack you, as you have done to me, instead, I am going to take your word on it, because I know that this is possible, and be happy that you have achieved something amazing!

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P.S: some of my work from more than 4 years ago: Physics Prof Steven E Jones Circuit Shows 8x Overunity

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« Reply #5239 on: September 26, 2015, 06:23:41 AM »
Wow, you just proved you know nothing about joule thief circuits.  It is not magic, it is not overunity, just solid electronics which abide by the laws of physics.  Notice my " marks around the word dead?  As in, "dead" battery?  If you have a 1.5 volt AA battery in your electronic device (camera, ect) and it gets down to around 1.1 volts, that device will flash an icon telling you the battery is dead.  That device will no longer work.  So, you toss out those bats and put in new ones.  Then, you give them to me and I can light my home with them.  I am not talking about a battery with 0 voltage.

Man, you must have really skipped all of the basic electronics classes and, obviously, you do not have a working knowledge of the JT circuits.  As I have said repeatedly, no magic, no O.U. just free light for those that actually know how to use them.

Nice try in twisting my wording but, you left out the quote marks and, anyone that has ever played with a JT circuit knows what they can, and can not do.  Actually, my best JT's are still only about 80% efficient.  (Unlike your false claims of a 102% efficient transformer)  Now, study TK's vids as he has some that are way better than anything I ever made.  TK has never claimed O.U. either Chris.  Just remember, efficiency is good.  That is really all you need to know.

Still waiting on some kind of proof for that 102% efficient transformer.  I know you said you do not do measurements anymore but, then how do you know that transformer was not 10% if you never measured it?  You just guessed/hoped it was 102%?  You could just tell by looking at it?

Cool, tell the Nobel Prize folks that, I am sure they will accept that as proof.

Bill

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« Reply #5240 on: September 26, 2015, 06:51:37 AM »
Wow, you just proved you know nothing about joule thief circuits.  It is not magic, it is not overunity, just solid electronics which abide by the laws of physics.  Notice my " marks around the word dead?  As in, "dead" battery?  If you have a 1.5 volt AA battery in your electronic device (camera, ect) and it gets down to around 1.1 volts, that device will flash an icon telling you the battery is dead.  That device will no longer work.  So, you toss out those bats and put in new ones.  Then, you give them to me and I can light my home with them.  I am not talking about a battery with 0 voltage.

Man, you must have really skipped all of the basic electronics classes and, obviously, you do not have a working knowledge of the JT circuits.  As I have said repeatedly, no magic, no O.U. just free light for those that actually know how to use them.

Nice try in twisting my wording but, you left out the quote marks and, anyone that has ever played with a JT circuit knows what they can, and can not do.  Actually, my best JT's are still only about 80% efficient.  (Unlike your false claims of a 102% efficient transformer)  Now, study TK's vids as he has some that are way better than anything I ever made.  TK has never claimed O.U. either Chris.  Just remember, efficiency is good.  That is really all you need to know.

Still waiting on some kind of proof for that 102% efficient transformer.  I know you said you do not do measurements anymore but, then how do you know that transformer was not 10% if you never measured it?  You just guessed/hoped it was 102%?  You could just tell by looking at it?

Cool, tell the Nobel Prize folks that, I am sure they will accept that as proof.

Bill


Ah, well that clears all that up then, you meant "Dead" and not Dead...


Bill, Remember this:

Great work.  Remember that the original JTs were bifilar so I am not too surprised at your measuring difficulties as many of us have been through this.  I have never claimed OU for any of my JT circuits but, I have always thought that there was something there so I wish you, and Dr. Jones the best in proving this out.  This is great stuff.

Bill


Hahaha, you should go back and read that old stuff... It was me, in there, doing the work, sharing circuits so you dufus's could have something to benchmark from...

Hi Xee2,

19 x is the best I have measured. This was on circuit V3 and V4.

My Measurements are inline with Dr Jones results less 1. Dr Jones got 20x.

All the best

  Chris


Hahahaha, Know nothing about Joule Thief Circuits:

Hi All,

Re-Checking my last measurements, because I was not satisfied they were correct, does show an Over Unity Measurement this morning.

Input : 102.4 milli watts
Output : 182.6 milli watts

This is with the Bi-Filar Coil. It is interesting that this Circuit, with the Bi-Filar Coil is so much harder to measure. The oscillations are quite large and I believe there may have been a Capacitance from Ground (Earth on my scope (Now using my power cord with no Earth Pin)) that may have been causing run off oscillations.

Interested to see others results also still.

So far the result is still better on the other Circuit, V4. Which is still surprising because the output seems much more for only a small increase on the Input. This could have something to do with the self inductance between the windings. The big difference here being the Series Connected Bi-Filar Power Coil vs the Single Filar Power Coils.

Well, interested to hear your thoughts on these results.

All the best

  Chris





Bill, please leave, you're a Time Waster!!!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5241 on: September 26, 2015, 07:09:59 AM »
snip...

Just so you know, I did not make up the term blocking oscillator, I was educated in this terminology by the likes of MarkE, TK, MH and .99.  I had always just called them a Joule Thief circuit.

Bill


Indeed, blocking oscillator (well known and common type of oscillator) was one of the first projects I had to build over 40 years ago as an apprentice telecommunications technician.

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« Reply #5242 on: September 26, 2015, 07:54:01 AM »
Hi folks, that's great advice, live and let live, now let us see who can put it into practice.
Hi bill, could you share what your doing with the 40 watt equivalent led bulb, is that the setup you were working on with the gutted cree bulb.
Even if it is, share something.
Someone share something please, other than this unproductive mud slinging.
Let there be light.
peace love light

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« Reply #5243 on: September 26, 2015, 08:13:31 AM »
Hi folks, that's great advice, live and let live, now let us see who can put it into practice.
Hi bill, could you share what your doing with the 40 watt equivalent led bulb, is that the setup you were working on with the gutted cree bulb.
Even if it is, share something.
Someone share something please, other than this unproductive mud slinging.
Let there be light.
peace love light

Agreed SkyWatcher123!

How up to date are you on the last 10 Pages?

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« Reply #5244 on: September 26, 2015, 01:05:35 PM »
This quote merits repeating and serious contemplation:

"Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.”

― Aldous Huxley, Complete Essays 2, 1926-29

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« Reply #5245 on: September 26, 2015, 02:00:27 PM »
A blocking oscillator?
Nice name, but what actually is blocked?.
Current path diversion oscillator would be a better description.
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Hi Brad,

Just for the shake of correct technical info, the name 'blocking' oscillator was created in the era when sweep circuits were developed for television receivers. 'Blocking' was meant to cut the plate current off by applying a sudden high negative bias voltage on the grid of an electric valve.
In television receivers there have been a horizontal and a vertical oscillator to insure that the position control of electron beam (thinking of cathode ray tubes) should be from left to right and from up to down and during the retrace time the (beam) current had to be switched off, otherwise the return of the beam could have appeared on screen too.  For the retrace periods blocking oscillators were ideal due to their very sharp (steep) pulse output waveforms which came from the strong positive feedback within such oscillator circuit. Of course these oscillators received syncronizing pulses from the broadcast video signal to exactly 'know' when to 'block' i.e. blank the beam current (via additional circuits), making it invisible on the screen.

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« Reply #5246 on: September 26, 2015, 02:27:42 PM »
Hi Brad,

Just for the shake of correct technical info, the name 'blocking' oscillator was created in the era when sweep circuits were developed for television receivers. 'Blocking' was meant to cut the plate current off by applying a sudden high negative bias voltage on the grid of an electric valve.
In television receivers there have been a horizontal and a vertical oscillator to insure that the position control of electron beam (thinking of cathode ray tubes) should be from left to right and from up to down and during the retrace time the (beam) current had to be switched off, otherwise the return of the beam could have appeared on screen too.  For the retrace periods blocking oscillators were ideal due to their very sharp (steep) pulse output waveforms which came from the strong positive feedback within such oscillator circuit. Of course these oscillators received syncronizing pulses from the broadcast video signal to exactly 'know' when to 'block' i.e. blank the beam current (via additional circuits), making it invisible on the screen.

Gyula

Gyula

You have given a very nice explanation of the blocking oscillator. I can see from your writing style that you are an experienced electronics person, you speak the language accurately and concisely.

I built my first such oscillator back in the mid 1950's using a vacuum tube, and then later a transistor. I used it to illuminate a four foot fluorescent tube as a Halloween prank, like a Star Wars light saber. It certainly got a lot of attention on the streets that night, but not a lot of candy as folks were afraid of it, and I was ushered out of one home.
 Since then I was always interested in those circuits, and studied the patents of TV's   Tektronix scopes and other devices that used such circuits. I also built many that are now still being produced in products for the company I was retired from as Chief Engineer.

It is always interesting to see old circuit ideas wrapped in a new name (Joule Thief, Slayer Exciter, etc.) Most of them are rather crudely thrown together without attention to the critical parameters that make for high efficiency, definitely not "engineered".

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« Reply #5247 on: September 26, 2015, 07:42:44 PM »
You two guys really know your stuff, I figured that out almost right away.  I never really knew what "blocking oscillator" referred to and never looked it up.  So I was always puzzled about that one.

I can throw in some early TV trivia myself.  I am not sure if it was for NTSC or an earlier version, but let's pretend the following example is for NTSC.  How did they decide on (262.5 x 2) = 525 horizontal lines?

I read that the early TV signal generators inside the big bulky cameras and similar equipment counted to 525 by cascading a series of simple tube-based counters.  So 525 is equal to 5 x 5 x 4 x 3 etc, etc.  So just the simple act of counting in the old days was a challenge and required some cascaded tube counter circuits.  In other words, they were "slaved" to pick 525 lines as dictated by a need to find a line counter system/circuit that was realizable and didn't consume too much power and was quite dumb and inflexible when you think about it.

If you look it up on Wikipedia a Joule Thief's operating frequency is dependent on several parameters, including supply voltage.  However, I am pretty sure the core timing mechanism is based on a variation of an L/R time constant, and not on an RC time constant.  The design is based around a main power coil and a feedback coil, after all.  Capacitance has almost nothing to do with it.

I find the schematic of the electo-mechanical flasher to be somewhat cryptic but I think I recognize the core operating principle at play, and it has nothing to do with any kind of electrical RC time constant.  Rather, it's based on the good old mechanical house thermostat that has a strip of two dissimilar metals that bends with temperature change because of the different coefficients of expansion of the two metals.  As a kid, I remember dismantling the standard Christmas tree light flasher and saw the same metal strip.  When the Christmas tree lights were off, a small current was still flowing to heat up the metal strip.  Then when the lights were on, no current was flowing through the heating resistor and the metal strip started to cool.  I am pretty sure the mechanical flasher schematic shown is based on that principle.  So it's based on a thermal RC time constant, not on an electrical RC time constant.

It's helps to dismantle things when you are a child to try to figure out what makes them tick!

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« Reply #5248 on: September 26, 2015, 08:21:52 PM »
There is plenty written on the theory operation of the blocking oscillator on the net, and also in those dreaded textbooks of old. It is also interesting to see this venerable and long used circuit getting rediscovered by a host of new "inventors" that like to rebrand old iinventions in their own names. That is ubiquitous.

Those wishing to understand the three possible  switching modes  and operation of this classic circuit should read the wikipedia entry or go here:

http://mysite.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect37.htm

By the way it goes back much further than 1969, possibly to the Major Armstrong days.

Milehigh, you are 100% correct, the flasher as used in auto turn signal circuits of yesteryear is an electro thermo mechanical switching device (to be precise) that has nothing to do with an Resistor Capacitor time constant.
Anyone claiming it does exposes the depths of their ignorance. Of course they will argue otherwise by some stretches and pretzel logic.

« Last Edit: September 26, 2015, 10:22:12 PM by Vortex1 »

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« Reply #5249 on: September 26, 2015, 09:50:31 PM »
Changing the shown Capacitor gives a different frequency: R X C = T, either way this is a Time Constant and it is associated with the Electromechanical Flasher.

Where:

R = Xc, Xl and Resistive components. (Impedance)
C = Capacitance in Farads.
T = One Time Constant.

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P.S: The Topic was not about the Thermal Flasher.

 

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