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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5160 on: September 17, 2015, 01:14:28 AM »
While I estimate that it should only take a COP of about 1.3 or greater to self-loop a device, using ordinary converter technology.... even a "slightly OU" device should be capable of being daisy-chained (what minnie calls the "Koala test"   ;)   ).

Connect the first one to its power supply. As a load, connect the second identical unit's input. Just for fun, add a third unit connected to the output of the second one, and you can even add a fourth identical unit in the chain. Then take some output load measurments on the last unit in the chain. If the device is actually OU at all, this should be easy enough to do, and there should be a slight amount of usable excess power at every stage in the chain.



@tinman: Sure, EMJ has provided us with lots of elementary facts that were never in dispute, about coils, inductances and etc. These basic facts are covered in any beginning electronics textbook and are at the "ho-hum so what" level of interest for experienced researchers like you and many other builders.  However, he completely failed to provide any credible evidence, or valid theoretical support, for his claims of attaining overunity. No valid measurements... in fact, the measurements he did supply were clearly not done properly, and it took him a while to finally acknowledge his errors in using his own scope.  And he certainly never had three identical devices all running in a daisy chain, with only the first one supplied with external power.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5160 on: September 17, 2015, 01:14:28 AM »

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« Reply #5161 on: September 17, 2015, 01:49:43 AM »
While I estimate that it should only take a COP of about 1.3 or greater to self-loop a device, using ordinary converter technology.... even a "slightly OU" device should be capable of being daisy-chained (what minnie calls the "Koala test"   ;)   ).

Connect the first one to its power supply. As a load, connect the second identical unit's input. Just for fun, add a third unit connected to the output of the second one, and you can even add a fourth identical unit in the chain. Then take some output load measurments on the last unit in the chain. If the device is actually OU at all, this should be easy enough to do, and there should be a slight amount of usable excess power at every stage in the chain.



@tinman: Sure, EMJ has provided us with lots of elementary facts that were never in dispute, about coils, inductances and etc. These basic facts are covered in any beginning electronics textbook and are at the "ho-hum so what" level of interest for experienced researchers like you and many other builders.  However, he completely failed to provide any credible evidence, or valid theoretical support, for his claims of attaining overunity. No valid measurements... in fact, the measurements he did supply were clearly not done properly, and it took him a while to finally acknowledge his errors in using his own scope.  And he certainly never had three identical devices all running in a daisy chain, with only the first one supplied with external power.



This is a case of sour grapes!!! Hahaha very funny.

Tinman has beaten you to the Prize Koala!!! How about you try self Looping your Electro Smog? See if you can make that work?

If it's all so simple, "ho-hum so what... textbook stuff" how is it that YOU CANT make it work like Tinman and others already have?

A "Rotten Tomato" alright!!!

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« Last Edit: September 17, 2015, 07:24:19 AM by EMJunkie »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5162 on: September 17, 2015, 02:04:23 AM »


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5162 on: September 17, 2015, 02:04:23 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5163 on: September 17, 2015, 07:11:40 AM »
Connect the first one to its power supply. As a load, connect the second identical unit's input. Just for fun, add a third unit connected to the output of the second one, and you can even add a fourth identical unit in the chain. Then take some output load measurments on the last unit in the chain.
What if MPTT rears its ugly head between them and 1.3 is not enough?

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« Reply #5164 on: September 17, 2015, 12:18:39 PM »
What if MPTT rears its ugly head between them and 1.3 is not enough?

Yes.
Delivering maximum power at maximum efficiency from one device to the next would be a difficult feat,and may show a result of COP<,when there may have been a COP>. This could result in something great being missed. This could also happen when trying to loop a device as well.

The only true and sure way of calculating COP is P/in and P/out<--all of P/out,-electrical,mechanical,and heat.

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« Reply #5165 on: September 17, 2015, 03:19:32 PM »
Yes.
Delivering maximum power at maximum efficiency from one device to the next would be a difficult feat,and may show a result of COP<,when there may have been a COP>. This could result in something great being missed. This could also happen when trying to loop a device as well.

The only true and sure way of calculating COP is P/in and P/out<--all of P/out,-electrical,mechanical,and heat.

Agreed, and this can be done without too much difficulty by fitting the DUT motor with a friction break to create heat, and loading the electrical output of the DUT with a resistor to create heat. Then the device is put in a loosely insulated box so that there is a controlled loss to ambient.

 This is to be compared with the temperature rise of a lone resistor in the box drawing the identical power (as the DUT) from a power supply.

The temperature rise of each test should, after a reasonable time, yield a stable temperature at the inside top of the box. These temperatures and power inputs are  then recorded.

Any temperature increase of the DUT over the "control" resistor teat would indicate a cop >1.

 Exactly how much extra energy can now be calculated by running the control resistor power to an amount that provides the same (matching) temperature as the DUT and noting the increase power draw. The difference between the first control resistor test power input and second control resistor test power input when matching temperature is the excess energy created.

This method can be used to evaluate many devices that claim COP>1. It does not however scavenge radiated EM energy, but this is generally very small. There are methods to scavenge this tiny energy also and keep it in the box, turning it into heat, but that is for another writing.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5166 on: September 17, 2015, 05:10:53 PM »
Agreed, and this can be done without too much difficulty by fitting the DUT motor with a friction break to create heat, and loading the electrical output of the DUT with a resistor to create heat. Then the device is put in a loosely insulated box so that there is a controlled loss to ambient.

 This is to be compared with the temperature rise of a lone resistor in the box drawing the identical power (as the DUT) from a power supply.

The temperature rise of each test should, after a reasonable time, yield a stable temperature at the inside top of the box. These temperatures and power inputs are  then recorded.

Any temperature increase of the DUT over the "control" resistor teat would indicate a cop >1.

 Exactly how much extra energy can now be calculated by running the control resistor power to an amount that provides the same (matching) temperature as the DUT and noting the increase power draw. The difference between the first control resistor test power input and second control resistor test power input when matching temperature is the excess energy created.

This method can be used to evaluate many devices that claim COP>1. It does not however scavenge radiated EM energy, but this is generally very small. There are methods to scavenge this tiny energy also and keep it in the box, turning it into heat, but that is for another writing.

Hope this helps.

I agree Vortex,a controlled thermal test setup would be a good idea. But im wondering if heating a liquid would be more accurate and easier to control and measure?.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5167 on: September 17, 2015, 06:58:51 PM »
I agree Vortex,a controlled thermal test setup would be a good idea. But im wondering if heating a liquid would be more accurate and easier to control and measure?.

The method I have outlined can be very accurate. I have used it to high degrees of precision. I speak from experience having designed and tested the method over a lifetime of employment in the thermal measurement field and applied techniques.

Consider that the difference of input power between the two control tests with the control resistor exactly equals the excess power of the DUT, within the limits of error of the measuring equipment. It is a comparative method, but accurate nevertheless.

The liquid calorimetry method can also be equally accurate but very messy to implement. Either method will yield sufficient resolution to quantify a COP. To each his level of comfort.

Liquid calorimery, while the most basic is kind of "old school" while the more advanced differential calorimetry methods have supplanted it for many applications.
« Last Edit: September 17, 2015, 09:52:01 PM by Vortex1 »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5168 on: September 18, 2015, 08:11:12 AM »
What if MPTT rears its ugly head between them and 1.3 is not enough?

Yes.
Delivering maximum power at maximum efficiency from one device to the next would be a difficult feat,and may show a result of COP<,when there may have been a COP>. This could result in something great being missed. This could also happen when trying to loop a device as well.

The only true and sure way of calculating COP is P/in and P/out<--all of P/out,-electrical,mechanical,and heat.

Agreed, and this can be done without too much difficulty by fitting the DUT motor with a friction break to create heat, and loading the electrical output of the DUT with a resistor to create heat. Then the device is put in a loosely insulated box so that there is a controlled loss to ambient.

 This is to be compared with the temperature rise of a lone resistor in the box drawing the identical power (as the DUT) from a power supply.

The temperature rise of each test should, after a reasonable time, yield a stable temperature at the inside top of the box. These temperatures and power inputs are  then recorded.

Any temperature increase of the DUT over the "control" resistor teat would indicate a cop >1.

 Exactly how much extra energy can now be calculated by running the control resistor power to an amount that provides the same (matching) temperature as the DUT and noting the increase power draw. The difference between the first control resistor test power input and second control resistor test power input when matching temperature is the excess energy created.

This method can be used to evaluate many devices that claim COP>1. It does not however scavenge radiated EM energy, but this is generally very small. There are methods to scavenge this tiny energy also and keep it in the box, turning it into heat, but that is for another writing.

Hope this helps.

I agree Vortex,a controlled thermal test setup would be a good idea. But im wondering if heating a liquid would be more accurate and easier to control and measure?.

The method I have outlined can be very accurate. I have used it to high degrees of precision. I speak from experience having designed and tested the method over a lifetime of employment in the thermal measurement field and applied techniques.

Consider that the difference of input power between the two control tests with the control resistor exactly equals the excess power of the DUT, within the limits of error of the measuring equipment. It is a comparative method, but accurate nevertheless.

The liquid calorimetry method can also be equally accurate but very messy to implement. Either method will yield sufficient resolution to quantify a COP. To each his level of comfort.

Liquid calorimery, while the most basic is kind of "old school" while the more advanced differential calorimetry methods have supplanted it for many applications.



@TinselKoala - Are you learning anything from these men? I hope you take this opportunity to progress your knowledge!!!

Everyone here should pay attention to these posts! These two men know what they are talking about!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5168 on: September 18, 2015, 08:11:12 AM »
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« Reply #5169 on: September 19, 2015, 06:31:04 PM »
Bump!!!

For those that do not comprehend, have not been following, but wish to comprehend and follow, to learn something and to achieve a common Goal:

Action: - (Primary Coil) - Your Input. A Magnetic Field, a result of Current Flow in your Primary Coil, that will likely have a Reactive Component. Considered as the Prime Mover.

Reaction: - (Secondary Coil) - Typically considered as a Negative result on the Action. Lenz's Law (the -), a negative result of the Secondary Coil on the Primary Coil.

Counter-Reaction: - (Secondary Coil) - Another Negative result, but this time assisting the Action, the primary, or the Action, but at the same time Countering the Reaction. Lenz's Law (the -).

The two Secondary's are what I call Partnered Output Coils!

These principals can be arranged in many configurations that may result in a working device, and the opposite is also true.

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Nicele put, Chris.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5170 on: September 19, 2015, 08:38:17 PM »



 My take on free energy for this winter,
 a decent load of firewood.

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« Reply #5172 on: September 20, 2015, 12:10:38 AM »
What if MPTT rears its ugly head between them and 1.3 is not enough?

Yes.
Delivering maximum power at maximum efficiency from one device to the next would be a difficult feat,and may show a result of COP<,when there may have been a COP>. This could result in something great being missed. This could also happen when trying to loop a device as well.

The only true and sure way of calculating COP is P/in and P/out<--all of P/out,-electrical,mechanical,and heat.

So you are confronted with a device that is supposed to be lighting up 130 Watts worth of light bulbs, on only 100 Watts input power. But magically, this device cannot run another identical device that only takes 100 Watts to run... because light bulbs don't respect the MPTT, but the overunity device does?

LOL.... pull the other one why don't you.

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The only true and sure way of calculating COP is P/in and P/out<--all of P/out,-electrical,mechanical,and heat.

Yes, I agree with that. But the daisy chain test isn't a calculation, it is a demonstration. One that NO electrical OU claimant has ever performed.

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« Reply #5173 on: September 20, 2015, 12:15:14 AM »


This is a case of sour grapes!!! Hahaha very funny.

Tinman has beaten you to the Prize Koala!!! How about you try self Looping your Electro Smog? See if you can make that work?

If it's all so simple, "ho-hum so what... textbook stuff" how is it that YOU CANT make it work like Tinman and others already have?

A "Rotten Tomato" alright!!!

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Has Tinman successfully self-looped anything he has worked on? Has he won any of the many OU prizes that have been offered in various places? HAVE YOU?

Of course you have not.  So what are you talking about? What prizes, what Self-looping? You have won none, and you have none to offer.

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« Reply #5174 on: September 20, 2015, 12:19:47 AM »
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These principals can be arranged in many configurations that may result in a working device, and the opposite is also true.

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Principles, not principals.

Working, as in television sets and mag-amps and thousands of other devices, yes. "Working", as in YOUR claims of OU performance.... not even one. And you yourself have failed miserably, and laughably, whenever you have been tasked to produce evidence of your bogus claims.
All you can do is post your childish insults, but you cannot produce evidence of your claims.

 

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