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Offline MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5010 on: July 21, 2015, 12:39:58 AM »
Through taxes and services, government redistributes wealth.  Since Reagan the USA government has redistributed more and more to the very rich and the MiC.  If you are upset that a third or more like half your wages go to taxes, you might wonder why the wealthiest are allowed to keep 85% of income that they generate passively by capital gains.  Shouldn't it be the other way around:  Shouldn't money that is made passively be taxed at a higher rate than money that requires real activity?

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« Reply #5011 on: July 21, 2015, 12:41:55 AM »
Hi Nick,

Thanks and here is the link to tinman's tests in question, it was he performing them. 
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg456675/#msg456675

It is okay what you wrote, though eddy current losses should be considered. 
Ferromagnetic materials change their permeability when exposed to magnetic flux coming from a permanent magnet or other source, you can tune a coil having the usual core by placing a permanent magnet near to it.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5012 on: July 21, 2015, 01:04:00 AM »
My Arduino based metal detector easily responds to a piece of ferrite about the size of my little finger (a broken bit of flyback core), at 10 cm distance from its _air core_ sense coil.

The way it accomplishes this amazing feat is simple. The circuitry, powered from the 5V regulated bus of the Arduino, oscillates the sense coil at around 120 kHz or so. The frequency of the oscillation is very sensitive to the inductance of the coil. Duh. The proximity of the ferrite changes the inductance of the air core coil, even from some distance away. The Arduino is used to monitor the frequency with high accuracy, taking a sample for a "null reference" , and when the frequency changes due to the change in inductance of the coil due to the presence of ferrite or metal, the Arduino produces an output click at a rate that is proportional to the change in frequency from the reference value.

The conclusion is that air core coils do change inductance measurably in the presence of materials of high permeability.

And this has What? to do with the amount of current flowing through a coil that has a set pulse rate when in the presence of materials of high permeability ?.

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« Reply #5013 on: July 21, 2015, 01:16:19 AM »
And this has What? to do with the amount of current flowing through a coil that has a set pulse rate when in the presence of materials of high permeability ?.
If you go back to the drawing I posted, or I guess I will repost it here:  Once the coil is magnetized the current consumed is controlled by the resistance of the wire.  Following an ideal voltage step, the inductance blocks all current and then gradually current builds.  The voltage drop is initially entirely across the inductive reactance.  As time passes current builds in the coil and more and more of the applied voltage step results in a change in I2R until eventually all of the voltage drop is across I*R and all of the power goes to I2R loss.  At that point we aren't adding any energy to the magnet.  All of the power is going into resistance losses..

The energy that you want to know about is the energy that you aren't examinging yet:  The energy that goes into magnetization.

So what this all has to do with TK's metal detector is that his circuit never reaches a steady state.  Each cycle is too short for that.  Consequently each cycle the current profile is altered because of the proximity of conductive and/or ferrous metal.

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« Reply #5014 on: July 21, 2015, 01:18:41 AM »
Through taxes and services, government redistributes wealth.
They insure your slavery.
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« Reply #5015 on: July 21, 2015, 01:21:14 AM »
Through taxes and services, government redistributes wealth.
They insure your slavery.
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If you are the one ending up with less after the redistribution then pretty much yes that is true.  If after the redistribution you end up with more then no.  The group that has consistently gotten more for the past 30 years have been the very wealthy: the top 0.1%.

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« Reply #5016 on: July 21, 2015, 01:29:31 AM »
  Permanent magnets that are of a magnetite composition, do not conduce electricity, and can be placed (properly) onto ferrite cores, to be used to lower or raise the running frequencies of ferrite cores, wound with copper wire coils.
   This I do daily, as I don't have electronic PWM circuits,  or any other types of frequency range controllers, yet.
  But, as I see it,  a circuit with no superpositioning of HV pulses, onto the magnetic circuit, there will never be more out than in. The only devices that have shown the ability to do this, are those where the HV pulses, are being heterodyned along with the magnetic circuits pulses. Which can account for this additional extra power levels.
  No conflicting conservation of energy ideas are being denied. As the addition input to the device is coming from the surrounding ambient, and not from "no where".
  A noisy whirling motor, no matter how efficient, is not as good of a solution, as a silent solid state FE generator.  Which is what I was hoping to find here, instead. Wishful thinking, on my part, I guess.

 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5017 on: July 21, 2015, 01:34:25 AM »
  Permanent magnets that are of a magnetite composition, do not conduce electricity, and can be used to lower or raise the running frequencies of ferrite cores, wound with copper wire coils. This I do daily, as I don't have electronic PWM circuits,  or any other types of frequency range controllers. Yet.
If you take a chunk of magnetite and expose it to an oscillating field such as by putting it inside a solenoid winding then you won't have much trouble heating it, which means that it is much more conductive than you believe.

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« Reply #5018 on: July 21, 2015, 02:20:01 AM »
  Well that may be true, but a magnetite magnet itself does not conduct electricity.
Yet it will conduct and alter magnetic current frequency of a ferrite core.
  Magnetite is not a substitute for ferrite cores, as Mark was thinking. But, it can add gain to a circuit, and raise normal output levels, of ferrite cored devices.
  When sufficient current is driven through a core, ANY core will heat up.  Or not?

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« Reply #5019 on: July 21, 2015, 02:32:09 AM »
  Well that may be true, but a magnetite magnet itself does not conduct electricity.
Yet it will conduct and alter magnetic current frequency of a ferrite core.
  Magnetite is not a substitute for ferrite cores, as Mark was thinking. But, it can add gain to a circuit, and raise normal output levels, of ferrite cored devices.
  When sufficient current is driven through a core, ANY core will heat up.  Or not?
Core material with permeability > 1 concentrates flux.  That in itself does not perform more work.  It is analagous to a lever allowing one to multiply force.  Just as no lever is perfectly stiff, no permeable material is perfect. 

To the extent that the material is conductive, eddy currents can be induced that dissipate power converting it to waste heat.  To the extent that the material has hysteresis, each trip around the BH loop expends additional energy.  Magnetite doesn't have much hysteresis, but it is fairly conductive.  Using it as a powder distributed in an insulating matrix greatly reduces the energy that can be dissipated by eddy currents, but also greatly reduces the effective permeability.  Essentially what you end up with is a powdered iron core.  Those kinds of cores can be used with OK efficiencies into the low ultrasonic range.  Above around  50kHz, a gapped ferrite core is usually cheaper and more efficient.

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« Reply #5020 on: July 21, 2015, 03:10:07 AM »
    " Magnetite doesn't have much hysteresis, but it is fairly conductive."

   So, you've now turned a magnetite magnet into a powered iron core. Same thing right? Interesting, and can you tell me or show me just how you know that it conducts electricity, as I can't find that information on my own. And my meter won't register any conductivity, at all, either.  I guess I must not have the right kind of meter...
or maybe the wrong type of magnetite, as they do vary. But, mine does not conduct electricity.

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« Reply #5021 on: July 21, 2015, 03:29:55 AM »
    " Magnetite doesn't have much hysteresis, but it is fairly conductive."

   So, you've now turned a magnetite magnet into a powered iron core. Same thing right? Interesting, and can you tell me or show me just how you know that it conducts electricity, as I can't find that information on my own. And my meter won't register any conductivity, at all, either.  I guess I must not have the right kind of meter...
You look at the loss versus frequency for the material.  Common power and RF ferrites start life as magnetite material that is blended with other metal oxides and importantly rapidly quenched in order to prevent large crystal formation which helps to both raise resistivity and reduce capacitance.

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« Reply #5022 on: July 21, 2015, 04:18:08 AM »
One last post before I leave.

I would like to offer a sincere apology for my behaviour over the last couple of days. I don't often get sucked into these childish sandbox scraps but I let my guard down and you have seen what transpired.

I was sworn at and called a coward but I would like to offer my best wishes to that particular poster in his future endeavors; there are no hard feelings on my part.

Again, my sincerest apology. If you know of any who have blocked my posts, please pass this on to them.

All the best of luck in your searches  8)

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« Reply #5023 on: July 21, 2015, 04:34:53 AM »
Okay ladies and gentleman, TinMan's new topic is open.

Please make sure you know the rules so not to be disappointed as you will only have 3 chances to post unless you can show a developing topic replication.

Here is the link once again: http://overunity.com/15901/tinman-generator-research-moderated-topic/msg456633/#msg456633

May we work in unison

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« Reply #5024 on: July 21, 2015, 05:51:47 AM »
One last post before I leave.

I would like to offer a sincere apology for my behaviour over the last couple of days. I don't often get sucked into these childish sandbox scraps but I let my guard down and you have seen what transpired.

I was sworn at and called a coward but I would like to offer my best wishes to that particular poster in his future endeavors; there are no hard feelings on my part.

Again, my sincerest apology. If you know of any who have blocked my posts, please pass this on to them.

All the best of luck in your searches  8)
Thanks SF. I appreciate it.

 

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