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Offline MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4995 on: July 20, 2015, 10:11:48 PM »
  Mark.E:
  I would rather take this discussion elsewhere. Perhaps to the Bashar thread? So, as not to bore some of you here.  As there seam to be some hostility, but, little to no progress being gained on this thread.
Not to mention no verifications.
 
  And,  you Mark, have not answered my only question to you, first, concerning the source of light,
so why should I answer yours.
  Don't get too cocky, and just consider what I've said. I'm not here to try to convince you.
  I have asked you, for only one simple verifiable fact. But, I get no answer, still. Just more questions...
You have gone way, way, off topic with this you want proof that light from the sun hits earth stuff.  Perhaps you would like to connect that in some remote way to either bucking coils or the experiments that tinman has been doing.

Do as you like. 

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« Reply #4996 on: July 20, 2015, 10:25:50 PM »
   Well, gone too far, now, and yet no reply. You're the one with all the questions, I just had one for you.
The reason I even bring it up the topic of Sunlight, was to discuss how and why it's not what we are being told.
Heaven knows why.
   
    If you could kindly show me how a partnered coil extracts more energy than it takes in, I'll be glad to pursue the subject. But, as far as I can see, it is an un replicated black box secret, still. That is going no where.
Only the TinMan knows for sure. And like the Shadow, he ain't telling.
   The poll is not in his favor, either. Sad to say. 
   So, who can we trust???  Tito, maybe?
   Hey Tito, I trust you. Good Christian, and all...

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« Reply #4997 on: July 20, 2015, 11:03:22 PM »
   Well, gone too far, now, and yet no reply. You're the one with all the questions, I just had one for you.
The reason I even bring it up the topic of Sunlight, was to discuss how and why it's not what we are being told.
Heaven knows why.
So you are alleging some sort of educational conspiracy theory?  Is that the idea?  And that idea would connect to either the topic of bucking coils or tinman's demonstrations how?
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    If you could kindly show me how a partnered coil extracts more energy than it takes in, I'll be glad to pursue the subject. But, as far as I can see, it is an un replicated black box secret, still.
It is an undemonstrated phenomenon.
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That is going no where.
I agree:  There wasn't any evidence for EMJ's claims when he started the thread and none has emerged.
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Only the TinMan knows for sure. And like the Shadow, he ain't telling.
Tinman is rather vocal that his "rotary transformer" experiments have nothing to do with EMJ's claims.
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   The poll is not in his favor, either. Sad to say. 
Why should it be?  The poll doesn't even fairly represent what Tinman has represented.  Tinman has said several times that he does not claim OU. What's the poll doing asking whether people are convinced of something Tinman doesn't claim?
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   So, who can we trust???  Tito, maybe?
   Hey Tito, I trust you. Good Christian, and all...
It's not who, but what: reliable evidence.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4998 on: July 20, 2015, 11:33:32 PM »
  Reliable evidence is what it's all about. Yes, I do have an issue with the "reliable part", and the who, as well.
As some of the so called "evidence", is produced by unreliable people, with dishonest motives. Or are just plain lies, or purposeful disinformation, all made up for a secret, hidden, or unknown objective.
The ignorant or naive part, I can understand.
 
  Mark.E: We are on the same side, the side the truth is on.

  How many more pages are going to be devoted to an unknown, and unverifiable device. Which is Not free energy, and is also not much more comparatively efficient, as is being shown?
  1500 pages, or so, like the Kapanadze thread discussions. 10 years later. Still No cigar.

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« Reply #4999 on: July 20, 2015, 11:36:05 PM »
My Arduino based metal detector easily responds to a piece of ferrite about the size of my little finger (a broken bit of flyback core), at 10 cm distance from its _air core_ sense coil.

The way it accomplishes this amazing feat is simple. The circuitry, powered from the 5V regulated bus of the Arduino, oscillates the sense coil at around 120 kHz or so. The frequency of the oscillation is very sensitive to the inductance of the coil. Duh. The proximity of the ferrite changes the inductance of the air core coil, even from some distance away. The Arduino is used to monitor the frequency with high accuracy, taking a sample for a "null reference" , and when the frequency changes due to the change in inductance of the coil due to the presence of ferrite or metal, the Arduino produces an output click at a rate that is proportional to the change in frequency from the reference value.

The conclusion is that air core coils do change inductance measurably in the presence of materials of high permeability.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5000 on: July 20, 2015, 11:42:48 PM »
  Reliable evidence is what it's all about. Yes, I do have an issue with the "reliable part", and the who, as well.
As some of the so called "evidence", is produced by unreliable people, with dishonest motives. Or are just plain lies, or purposeful disinformation, all made up for a secret, hidden, or unknown objective.
The ignorant or naive part, I can understand.
 
  Mark.E: We are on the same side, the side the truth is on.

  How many more pages are going to be devoted to an unknown, and unverifiable device. Which is Not free energy, and is also not much more comparatively efficient, as is being shown?
  1500 pages, or so, like the Kapanadze thread discussions. 10 years later. Still No cigar.
The bucking coils aspect of the thread is dead.  No reliable evidence of EMJ's claims was ever offered.

Tinman is not making an OU claim.  He has presented a set of curious appearing demonstrations.  For reasons of his own he does not care to disclose more than he promised.  If anyone thinks that he is really onto OU, they can go get used appliance motors of their own.  Odds are not with them.

Here is something for you to think about:  What if you could get the same useful result for a lot less money and/or a lot less input energy than you do now?  Wouldn't the difference between what you were able to get before be effectively free on an on-going basis?  I contend that energy efficiency is the "real" free energy that we can really get. 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5001 on: July 20, 2015, 11:46:36 PM »
My Arduino based metal detector easily responds to a piece of ferrite about the size of my little finger (a broken bit of flyback core), at 10 cm distance from its _air core_ sense coil.

The way it accomplishes this amazing feat is simple. The circuitry, powered from the 5V regulated bus of the Arduino, oscillates the sense coil at around 120 kHz or so. The frequency of the oscillation is very sensitive to the inductance of the coil. Duh. The proximity of the ferrite changes the inductance of the air core coil, even from some distance away. The Arduino is used to monitor the frequency with high accuracy, taking a sample for a "null reference" , and when the frequency changes due to the change in inductance of the coil due to the presence of ferrite or metal, the Arduino produces an output click at a rate that is proportional to the change in frequency from the reference value.

The conclusion is that air core coils do change inductance measurably in the presence of materials of high permeability.
Imagine if people had lost coins or jewelry with ferrous metal nearby.  Why we could use such a device to find those lost items!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5002 on: July 20, 2015, 11:50:26 PM »
Imagine if people had lost coins or jewelry with ferrous metal nearby.  Why we could use such a device to find those lost items!
It works quite well with aluminum and silver too. I don't have any gold so I haven't tested that. It loves aluminum beercans!


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« Reply #5003 on: July 20, 2015, 11:57:08 PM »
It works quite well with aluminum and silver too. I don't have any gold so I haven't tested that. It loves aluminum beercans!
That's probably due to eddy currents.

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« Reply #5004 on: July 21, 2015, 12:01:58 AM »
Hi TinselKoala,

I agree that air core coils also change their inductance when ferromagnetic materials are placed near to them.

Can we compare the effect of a ferromagnetic piece on an oscillator coil working at 120 kHz to a coil working at 1 kHz, 100 Hz or 10 Hz ? It all depends on what change takes place percentage wise in the L inductance of the coil, no?

An L meter could easily tell this or further measurements on the coil as tinman wrote to perform that. 

Gyula



The conclusion is that air core coils do change inductance measurably in the presence of materials of high permeability.

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« Reply #5005 on: July 21, 2015, 12:10:19 AM »
  And imagine how much you're actually going to save by this relatively low additional efficiency that runs a modified motor a little faster, while using less power. 
  Already a switching PS or inverter running off of batteries or the grid can be up to about is 90% efficient.
How much are do you thinking that this added efficiency it will save you. Really?
  Now, a free running PM generator with no additional external input, is another thing. And a very important one.
  But, then that is not possible, now is it?  No evidence to prove it. OR is there?
 

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« Reply #5006 on: July 21, 2015, 12:18:41 AM »
  And imagine how much you're actually going to save by this relatively low additional efficiency that runs a modified motor a little faster, while using less power. 
  Already a switching PS or inverter running off of batteries or the grid can be up to about is 90% efficient.
How much are do you thinking that this added efficiency it will save you. Really?
  Now, a free running PM generator with no additional external input, is another thing. And a very important one.
  But, then that is not possible, now is it?  No evidence to prove it. OR is there?
 
There have been lots of people who have claimed to have evidence for OU devices.  None of those claims have held up. 

One of the funnier things that I have noticed over the years is that if it were not for the nanny government everyone seems so upset about, consumers would still be buying energy inefficient durable goods because they can be made for a lower cost than efficient goods.  The nanny government has by forcing efficiency regulations saved consumers billions and billions over the life of those products.

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« Reply #5007 on: July 21, 2015, 12:23:14 AM »
  Gyula:
  Good test.
   The ferrite cores can also be further adjusted in frequency, by the addition of magnetite magnets onto these cores.  But, everything seams to be frequency dependent, for best results. 
  What works at one frequency, does not at another.

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« Reply #5008 on: July 21, 2015, 12:32:47 AM »
  Maybe one reason some people are upset at the government may have to do with them stealing 1/3 to 1/2 of what you declare that you make.  Boy, are they efficient!!!  At that...   
  I hope that you're not in Greece, now. Or Venezuela, or a couple other places like that, or worse.
  But, I'm sure the government is really looking after your best interests, and wants to help you "save" money.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #5009 on: July 21, 2015, 12:33:01 AM »
  Gyula:
  Good test.
   The ferrite cores can also be further adjusted in frequency, by the addition of magnetite magnets onto these cores.  But, everything seams to be frequency dependent, for best results. 
  What works at one frequency, does not at another.
Magnetite has high permeability but it is also pretty conductive which makes it quite lossy above low audio frequencies.  Solid power ferrites will do much better.

 

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