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Offline Spilled Fluids

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4965 on: July 20, 2015, 08:01:11 AM »

Actually its so the grown ups who are actually at their workbenches can have a civil discussion without all the name calling nonsense. btw it's "Whimper" and I think you maybe referring to PESN? You corrected others earlier so I thought you'd like to know. Anyway only a matter of time until you get banned anyway.. no matter.

Sorry Jim, I guess you don't get around the various sites much. PESN has been known as Pure Imaginary Systems Network for some time now on other forums.
As for the dropped letter, there is a big difference between a single typo and completely misspelling whole words or using the wrong words to express an idea.

Ban away if you must, or think you can, but I would suggest you start with tinman since he is the one who started the whole thing with his completely erroneous ideas about physics and his petulant attitude and attacks. If you even care to check you will see he has used vulgarities on many occasions while you will not find one in anything I have posted. Ridicule is not vulgarity nor is it swearing; it's simply what is deserved when people make outrageous claims then repeatedly ignore real facts when presented to them.

Lastly, I have no beef with you or any of the others who might be working on this project; only with tinman because of his caustic arrogant and petulant attitude. If he had not started with the insults and derogatory remarks when challenged by good science; I would have treated him pretty much the same way as Mark or TK or yourself(you'll notice I didn't get all snarky when you pointed out my spelling error).

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« Reply #4966 on: July 20, 2015, 12:12:46 PM »
What does it have under the hood ...or cab ?

Cat C15
18 speed road ranger gear box,manual/auto power select.

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« Reply #4967 on: July 20, 2015, 12:21:34 PM »
excellent initiative luc

i m wondering why you guys are not moderating the whole forum

Hi madama,

I don't have a general moderator privilege of this forum and I don't know if I would want that task,  only in 2 topics Stefan has activated it.

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« Reply #4968 on: July 20, 2015, 12:31:14 PM »
"

Does Stefan know you are taking his forum down the road followed by Hopegirl and PESN?

Just curious and don't worry, I won't even be looking at that thread. Anything tinman is involved in will hold no interest for anyone who understands physics and follows the establish practices based on the laws of Conservation of energy.

That is why you do not belong here bouncing rock's.
You have no vision.
You are unable to complete any form of simple experiment.
You think that we all should follow-!and i quote!: follows the establish practices based on the laws of Conservation of energy.
If that were the case,then this forum would have no reason to exist.
You just dont get it-->we(the experimenters) do not follow any law's(that are really just theories),we use them only as a bench mark. We follow what we find through our own experiment-->something which you cannot do. You say we do not understand physics,and yet you try and tell us that the ball will bounce a second time because it has mass and elasticity,and has nothing to do with the stored energy in that mass when the ball is raised to it's starting point-->LOL.

You then start to correct myself and others on there spelling and grammar,and yet yours is one of the worst i have seen-->lol.
You came in here ,guns blazing,and fell flat on your face--time after time.

So i would enroll your self into night school for a while,and just take the time to learn simple things to begin with-->like why and how a ball will bounce,but a rock will not.
The only physics you know is what MarkE,PW,verpies,and the likes teach you. It;s funny to watch you hide behind the tree until the cavalry arrives lol.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4969 on: July 20, 2015, 01:10:18 PM »
That is why you do not belong here bouncing rock's.
You have no vision.
You are unable to complete any form of simple experiment.
You think that we all should follow-!and i quote!: follows the establish practices based on the laws of Conservation of energy.
If that were the case,then this forum would have no reason to exist.
You just dont get it-->we(the experimenters) do not follow any law's(that are really just theories),we use them only as a bench mark. We follow what we find through our own experiment-->something which you cannot do. You say we do not understand physics,and yet you try and tell us that the ball will bounce a second time because it has mass and elasticity,and has nothing to do with the stored energy in that mass when the ball is raised to it's starting point-->LOL.

You then start to correct myself and others on there spelling and grammar,and yet yours is one of the worst i have seen-->lol.
You came in here ,guns blazing,and fell flat on your face--time after time.

So i would enroll your self into night school for a while,and just take the time to learn simple things to begin with-->like why and how a ball will bounce,but a rock will not.
The only physics you know is what MarkE,PW,verpies,and the likes teach you. It;s funny to watch you hide behind the tree until the cavalry arrives lol.

This guy is so predictble !  Remember me a person with the same basic comportament. Maybe is the same person but need to change their nickname because nobody want to hear them . give up to try trolling the topic.
You smell at miles lol

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« Reply #4970 on: July 20, 2015, 01:49:47 PM »
Sorry Jim, I guess you don't get around the various sites much. PESN has been known as Pure Imaginary Systems Network for some time now on other forums.
As for the dropped letter, there is a big difference between a single typo and completely misspelling whole words or using the wrong words to express an idea.

If you even care to check you will see he has used vulgarities on many occasions while you will not find one in anything I have posted. Ridicule is not vulgarity nor is it swearing; it's simply what is deserved when people make outrageous claims then repeatedly ignore real facts when presented to them.

Lastly, I have no beef with you or any of the others who might be working on this project; only with tinman because of his caustic arrogant and petulant attitude.  I would have treated him pretty much the same way as Mark or TK or yourself(you'll notice I didn't get all snarky when you pointed out my spelling error).

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Ban away if you must, or think you can, but I would suggest you start with tinman since he is the one who started the whole thing with his completely erroneous ideas about physics and his petulant attitude and attacks.
If he had not started with the insults and derogatory remarks when challenged by good science;

Ok,lets go back to your first post here on this thread-before i even spoke a word to you.
Post 4556 Quote:
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The suppression is all in the minds of the claimants.
Suppression is nothing more than an escape tool for when people claiming impossible things need to save face and not have to show they were wrong or were pulling scams. Period!

So your very first comment here on this thread was to call me a liar and scam artist.<--I have not yet made a reply to you.

Post 4558 Quote:Your reply to syncro1
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Yet another intelligent remark from the Jovian filbert farmer

Post 4577 Quote:
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But it sounds so much better to the conspircy folks than simply saying that he wandered into regulated transmission bands.

I have still not yet replied to you.

Post 4622,GroundLoop decided to share a setup i know he has worked long and hard on-open source for any that wished to replicate it.
Quote: I have decided to open source the attached circuit because I think it is relevant
 to the discussion in this thread. I have modified my old Figure-8 circuit with a
 shorting coil on the output. My shorting coil is shorted by a transistor. The shorting
 is 180 degrees out of faze with the input oscillator. I have not done any output
 measurements on this circuit, and will probably never do. One thing is for sure,
 the 3,5 Watt LED bulb on the output is very bright with only approx. 0,3 Watt input
 to the circuit. Circuit runs on 3 Volt input.

Post 4625 by SF
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Without taking proper measurements of the input and the output, you have no idea if there is greater output than input.
Bulb ratings mean nothing other than those are the maximum recommended ratings.
Your own pictures demonstrate that the LED will light up at less than it's full rating.
Please take some good measurements of the output.

Only 4 post,and your making demand's lol.

Post 4629 by SF Quote:

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That is a distinct possibility but so is not wanting to find out that he has made measurement errors or incorrect assumptions.

I carried out the measurements as per MarkE's and PW's request-->there were no errors.
At this time,i still have not responded to you-i am still letting your comments slide.

Post 4634 Quote SF

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I also agree with you that the insulting and belittling behaviour is not part of the scientific method.
My own observation is that this kind of behaviour is mostly seen from the conspiracy, flying saucer, religious and completely deluded folks who do not do experiments and are in all likelihood incapable of doing any.
When individuals post a jumble of scientific words(word salad) that are supposed to make them look intelligent; they make themselves fair game and should be called out(politely of course). The trouble is that these individuals immediately revert to insults and other rude behaviours when challenged. That's because they often don't even understand what they are saying and usually have no understanding of scientific principles.
Sadly, the Internet has become a play ground for them because they cannot function in normal society.

As i have not yet replied to any of your post at this time,you can not be referring to me when you say Quote: insulting and belittling behaviour. Maybe you are referring to that chap that made post 4556?.
I have still not replied to you at this point in time.

Post 4684 Quote SF

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I don't mean to sound condescending but you could really do with taking some basic electronics courses or better still simply Google the terms and find out what they mean.

Here you are insulting other members,and telling them they need courses-->when you cant even figure out where the energy came from to allow a ball to bounce up a second time.
I have still not made a reply to you at this point.

Post 4687 Quote SF

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It is because of your and other folks complete lack of understanding about what power, enrgy, volts, amps, watts, etc. are that there are so many false claims of OU.
Please take some courses and find out exactly what you are talking about.

The pot is calling the kettle black again.

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Reading comprehension and well written; evidence supported replies are not your forte are they

Says the man who has made more spelling mistakes in this thread than any one else.
I have still made no reply to you at this point in time SF.

Post 4720
MarkE and synchro1 are having a conversation,but you decide to throw in your two cents worth-although unwanted.

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Once again, nothing to support your claims; only childish and very immature slurs. Grow up!

Post 4728 Quote SF-just a friendly discussion with synchro1

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Can you see any light in there? How is the air quality? Any trouble breathing? Obviously the oxygen content of the air you are breathing is way off or you wouldn't be jettisoning such flotsam.

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I think you are wasting your energy on all these remedial drop outs.
Their arguments are no different or more meaningful than full on religious fanatic debates.

I guess this applies to all of us that think outside the box?
Welcome my fellow remedial drop outs :D
I have still not replied to you at this point SF.

Post 4731 Quote SF

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This is the kind of word salad nonsense that demonstrates your complete lack of understanding of even the basic P = E x I.

Word salad ::)
A complete lack of understanding the basics you say :o Is that rock bouncing yet?.

Post 4736 quote SF:

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It would be nice if there was a good technical discussion of the OP topic but even after Mark E and TK proposed some tests and suggestions to tinman, nothing came of it but this all to familiar scheme of his being contacted and told to cease and desist. We are left to infer that this was TPB when in all likely hood, tinman's device simply splattered interference all over certain licensed frequency bands and the local regulators warned him off; ie stop doing that and get your experiment under control.
This is not big oil, MiB or any other conspiracy nonsense.
To save face, tinman has led everyone to believe that there are other forces behind his failed experiment.

Once again accusing me of being a liar,and that my experiment was a failure.
I have still not replied to you at this point in time.

Post 4739 quote SF in reply to synchro1

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Remedial fail...learn to spell already

Says the man again that has made more spelling mistakes in this one thread than i have seen on the whole forum.

Post 4740 quote SF

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I'm pretty sure you spew it from both ends

Quote at top of this post by SF

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If you even care to check you will see he has used vulgarities on many occasions while you will not find one in anything I have posted.

I had still not replied to you at this point in time,so we can now all see that it was you that started with the vulgarities SF,toward others here on this thread.

Post 4741 quote SF

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No poop for you!".

OOP'S

Post 4743 quote SF

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Where is the proof?
He can't supply it, you can't supply it, ramset can't supply it...oh wait, TPB stopped them from letting it out.
Put your hairy green foil helmet back on. Monocots are not know for even remedial level intelligence and you sir are living proof!

More insults,and a bit of sarcasm toward myself and Chet.
I have still not replied to any of your post at this point in time SF.

Post 4745 quote SF

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Now the remedial tard descends into it's own nonsense.
Don't roll over tonight when sleeping under the bridge by the sewer outflow; you might drown in your own jetsam

Just some more friendly chat with a fellow member.

At this point in time,i had had enough of you crap SF-->here is my very first reply to you.
Quote post 4746: -->To what !failed! experiment do you infer?.
Do you have !failed! mixed up with !incomplete!(as far as some are concerned).

I am beginning to wonder as to what fluids you have spilled?.
I'm leaning toward a sore hand after the fluid expulsion.

I have highlighted the extent of my so called vulgarities. I think this is way less vulgar than what you have submitted thus far in your short time here.

Post 4747 quote SF

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Then complete the damn thing and stop with all the classic suppression BS. If you want to be taken seriously then just own up to your mistakes instead of playing the martyr.
Good lord you people are insufferable!

Classic suppression BS?-once again inferring that i am a liar.

Post 4751 quote SF

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I wouldn't be so hard on myself if I were you. It's not your fault your parents were first cousins

Calling another member an inbred ,not so nice.

Post 4754 quote SF

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But if I go away, there won't be anyone to check you inbred trolls


I will leave this post at that.
But remember
Quote SF :If you even care to check you will see he has used vulgarities on many occasions while you will not find one in anything I have posted.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4971 on: July 20, 2015, 01:58:10 PM »



 Tinman,
        love your truck, wouldn't do very well in these country lane round me.
 Spilled Fluids is very horrible.
 I don't believe in moderation, just kills things stone dead. The best way is to
look at everything and make up your own mind.
 MarkE,poynt and Koala aren't that daft and can teach most of us a lot, it's
very good of them to give their time to explanations.
        John.

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« Reply #4972 on: July 20, 2015, 02:10:13 PM »


 Tinman,
        love your truck, wouldn't do very well in these country lane round me.
 Spilled Fluids is very horrible.
 I don't believe in moderation, just kills things stone dead. The best way is to
look at everything and make up your own mind.
 MarkE,poynt and Koala aren't that daft and can teach most of us a lot, it's
very good of them to give their time to explanations.
        John.
I agree with you John.
markE, TK,verpies,PW,Chet--most of the guys here-Particularly Poynt have helped me out a lot-and for that i am very grateful.
Spilled Fluids will dwindle away soon-he dosnt belong here,as he lacks the ability to carry out a simple experiment,and give reasons to his findings. He also like to lie a lot,and that is not what is needed here.

Anyway,back to the bench,as i am conducting some test with regards to ferrite and PM's influence on pulsed coils.

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« Reply #4973 on: July 20, 2015, 03:00:31 PM »
That was truly horrible to read.


Listen Sf, you have just wandered into a pub where a bunch of us are having a chat. We have our disagreements but we all know one another and for the most part agree to disagree.


You come in making demands that have already been requested by some of the most respected blokes here. Insulting them and us in the process. This is not a hobby for most of us. It's a passion.


I withdraw my comment re MH. I know you cannot be him as he would not trash this thread the way you have done. He would contribute..., probably with his usual flair.


We have no idea who you are. Right now though ,you fitting the definition of a troll.

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« Reply #4973 on: July 20, 2015, 03:00:31 PM »
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« Reply #4974 on: July 20, 2015, 03:01:03 PM »
Btw MH truly sorry

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« Reply #4975 on: July 20, 2015, 03:41:38 PM »
I have just carried out some testing in regards to a ferrite or PM core being placed near an air core coil.
As you will see in the scope shots below,no effect what so ever takes place when either a ferrite or PM core is placed near a pulsed air core coil/inductor. I even went as far as placing the ferrite core,and the PM on top of the coil it self,and no change at all was noted on the scope traces.

Some info regarding the tests
The CSR value is 33 ohms-->high so as i could detect even the smallest of changes in current and voltage/current phase angle.<--no changes were noted.
The coil is about 1 cubic inch box shape,and has a resistance of 145 ohms.
Duty cycle is 50%.
Supply voltage is 12 volts.
Ferrite rod used is 19mm x 25mm.
PM (also a rod) is also 19mm x 25mm.
Both keeper and PM were placed 2mm away from coil end<--so very close to coil.

Note:-even at this low power input,i could feel the PM vibrate/oscillate quite strongly,but nothing from the ferrite keeper.

The tests were carried out at 10Hz,100Hz,and 1KHz-as shown on each scope shot below.

It is clear from these test that there is no difference or change at all in regards to current,voltage, or phase angle change between current and voltage regardless of weather there is no keeper in place,a ferrite keeper in place,or a PM keeper in place



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« Reply #4976 on: July 20, 2015, 04:30:06 PM »
I have just carried out some testing in regards to a ferrite or PM core being placed near an air core coil.
As you will see in the scope shots below,no effect what so ever takes place when either a ferrite or PM core is placed near a pulsed air core coil/inductor. I even went as far as placing the ferrite core,and the PM on top of the coil it self,and no change at all was noted on the scope traces.

Some info regarding the tests
The CSR value is 33 ohms-->high so as i could detect even the smallest of changes in current and voltage/current phase angle.<--no changes were noted.
The coil is about 1 cubic inch box shape,and has a resistance of 145 ohms.
Duty cycle is 50%.
Supply voltage is 12 volts.
Ferrite rod used is 19mm x 25mm.
PM (also a rod) is also 19mm x 25mm.
Both keeper and PM were placed 2mm away from coil end<--so very close to coil.

Note:-even at this low power input,i could feel the PM vibrate/oscillate quite strongly,but nothing from the ferrite keeper.

The tests were carried out at 10Hz,100Hz,and 1KHz-as shown on each scope shot below.

It is clear from these test that there is no difference or change at all in regards to current,voltage, or phase angle change between current and voltage regardless of weather there is no keeper in place,a ferrite keeper in place,or a PM keeper in place
The tests are well intentioned enough, but if you actually want to know, then you will need to make some adjustments:
1) You need to set the time scale on your oscilloscope according to the L/R time constant of the circuit.
2) You need to make sure that you do not hide the circuit behavior with too large a value current sense resistor.
3) You need to make sure that you do not hide the circuit behavior with a current sense resistor that has too long of an L/R time constant of its own.
4) You need to make sure that you don't introduce distortions that hide the circuit behavior by the instrument settings, such as using AC coupling where it is not appropriate.

Fixing 1) is pretty easy.  Just start speeding up your sweep rate / reduce the timescale until you can clearly see the exponential current rise caused by the applied voltage step.   It is this current rise that you want to see.

Fixing 2) is a matter of picking a current sense resistor value that is less than 1/10th the winding resistance of your coil.

Fixing 3) is a matter of using a current sense resistor that has an inductance:   Lsense_resistor <=  0.1 * Rsense/Rcoil * Lcoil.  If you don't already have any non-inductive current sense resistors, they are available from Digikey for about $1. each.

Fixing 4) is a matter of making sure you understand how to use your test equipment.  Avoid AC coupling especially for pulses that last longer than 1ms.



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« Reply #4977 on: July 20, 2015, 04:48:19 PM »
The tests are well intentioned enough, but if you actually want to know, then you will need to make some adjustments:
1) You need to set the time scale on your oscilloscope according to the L/R time constant of the circuit.
2) You need to make sure that you do not hide the circuit behavior with too large a value current sense resistor.
3) You need to make sure that you do not hide the circuit behavior with a current sense resistor that has too long of an L/R time constant of its own.
4) You need to make sure that you don't introduce distortions that hide the circuit behavior by the instrument settings, such as using AC coupling where it is not appropriate.

Fixing 1) is pretty easy.  Just start speeding up your sweep rate / reduce the timescale until you can clearly see the exponential current rise caused by the applied voltage step.   It is this current rise that you want to see.

Fixing 2) is a matter of picking a current sense resistor value that is less than 1/10th the winding resistance of your coil.

Fixing 3) is a matter of using a current sense resistor that has an inductance:   Lsense_resistor <=  0.1 * Rsense/Rcoil * Lcoil.  If you don't already have any non-inductive current sense resistors, they are available from Digikey for about $1. each.

Fixing 4) is a matter of making sure you understand how to use your test equipment.  Avoid AC coupling especially for pulses that last longer than 1ms.

I can not go much lower on the CSR,as i am already at 2mV per division on my scope,and that is as low as it go's.If i lower the CSR value,then we will not see much at all in the way of a trace across the CSR.
AC/DC coupling in this case made no difference at all,and i left it as AC so as we could see any noise change within the current trace. At 1KHz,we have only a 500uS pulse,and we still see no change.

Edit:
Tomorrow i will up the input power,lower the CSR value(with a non inductive CSR),and switch back to DC coupling.
We will then carry out the same test,and post results.

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« Reply #4978 on: July 20, 2015, 05:11:27 PM »
Tinman,

What MarkE said...

I will add:

We are only interested in what occurs during the rising and falling (changing) portions of the waveform.  The scope's horizontal timebase (and V sensitivity) should be adjusted to display those portions of the waveform with as much clarity/resolution as possible.  We only need to see one complete cycle (or a bit more).  If necessary, use magnification to further resolve rise/fall edge details.

Consider your scope as being somewhat similar to a microscope,  You need to focus on and adjust the magnification and position so that what you are attempting to visualize is resolved with maximum resolution.

Apparently we need to discuss AC versus DC coupling again.  The "tilt" in your CSR waveforms is due to your use of AC coupling.  They will square up if you switch back to DC coupling.  AC coupling is used for removing a larger DC (and LF) component from a waveform so that the vertical sensitivity can be maximized to display any AC signal that may be riding on that DC voltage.  Most of the time your scope should remain DC coupled. 

PW 

     

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« Reply #4979 on: July 20, 2015, 05:42:54 PM »
Wind is nothing more than solar energy.  Unequal heating and cooling of the earth's surface creates wind.  Wind is just another delivery vehicle for solar energy. Gravity is a closed system and no additional energy can be extracted from it and be made to perform work.

Bill

  I doubt that Tesla would agree with your evaluation.
   Gravity is caused by the Earth's Vortex, combined with our Solar Vortex, and Galactive vortex. All taking in and constantly pulling Aether in from the primordial soup, which some call "nothing". 
Not a closed system at all. 
  And solar energy is caused by What? Is that a "closed" system, as well? That can't be taken from?

  Anyways, no need to expound on it, quoting from the current false information that our scientists are telling us. I've heard it all before.

 

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