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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 3076322 times)

Offline Grumage

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4935 on: July 19, 2015, 08:08:08 PM »
Duh!  This makes total sense to me now.  All I was doing was charging up a capacitor (me) and discharging it into the cfl.  This allowed the static electricity to no longer remain static.  Sorry, I never thought of it that way...I just knew that it worked and he was wrong...well sort of.

Bill

Dear Bill.

A bit like this !!   ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI

Cheers Grum.

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4936 on: July 19, 2015, 08:16:16 PM »
Dear Bill.

A bit like this !!   ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI

Cheers Grum.

Yes, I remember seeing your video.  I believe you were touching a Vandegraff generator with your other hand...correct?  So, you were also converting static electricity like I was doing.  I suppose you were also a capacitor like I was as well?

That was a really cool video too.  After seeing your video, and Lidmotor's videos on the subject, I believe we all concluded that all was not as it appeared in the original video.

Very well done.

Bill

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4937 on: July 19, 2015, 09:28:17 PM »
Another factor in Tinman's EM+PM experiment is the variable distance the pendulum can swing related to the generated force.

Allowing a greater excursion for the PM aided (extra force) version would consume more energy over the  extended swing distance?

And if the spring has a progressive spring rate (vs one with a linear rate), the energy consumed would be even higher?

A fixed stroke length would be more applicable to a generator design.

Offline Spilled Fluids

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« Reply #4938 on: July 19, 2015, 10:04:56 PM »
Another factor in Tinman's EM+PM experiment is the variable distance the pendulum can swing related to the generated force.

Allowing a greater excursion for the PM aided (extra force) version would consume more energy over the  extended swing distance?

And if the spring has a progressive spring rate (vs one with a linear rate), the energy consumed would be even higher?

A fixed stroke length would be more applicable to a generator design.

The PM is a red herring in this experiment. Think of a motorcycle slip streaming a semi transport truck. Then think of a bicycle doing the same. Do you honestly think that the motorcycle or bicycle actually do work that makes the truck go faster(it would actually cause more drag since part of the stream would be disrupted)?

Then why would a PM, ferrite or steel bolt do that when attracted the a powered electromagnet in this bogus experiment?

Offline MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4939 on: July 19, 2015, 10:17:47 PM »
The PM is a red herring in this experiment. Think of a motorcycle slip streaming a semi transport truck. Then think of a bicycle doing the same. Do you honestly think that the motorcycle or bicycle actually do work that makes the truck go faster(it would actually cause more drag since part of the stream would be disrupted)?

Then why would a PM, ferrite or steel bolt do that when attracted the a powered electromagnet in this bogus experiment?
Any experiment is good if the experimenter learns something from it.  Even though tinman and I butt heads from time to time, I admire that he sets out to learn by doing experiments.

Offline synchro1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4940 on: July 19, 2015, 10:20:23 PM »
@MarkE,

Debunkifier apparently discovered a unique way to propagate "Laser Beams" inside his capacitors?

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« Reply #4941 on: July 19, 2015, 10:21:15 PM »
Any experiment is good if the experimenter learns something from it.  Even though tinman and I butt heads from time to time, I admire that he sets out to learn by doing experiments.

Agreed but this one was setup to specifically try to make me look wrong...he failed and so far I don't see he has learned anything.
I on the other hand, learned a couple of new things so it wasn't a complete loss  ;D

Offline shylo

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4942 on: July 20, 2015, 12:09:54 AM »



Again, gravity is a conservative force and does not create energy. That means the lifting of the ball did not store anymore energy than it took to lift it in the first place.

It took more energy to lift it.
artv

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4943 on: July 20, 2015, 12:21:29 AM »
  Gravity waves, were just confirmed by scientists.
  Gravity waves are energy, just like the wind is and has energy.
  We just don't know how to tap these gravity waves to obtain useful power from them, yet.

Offline Pirate88179

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« Reply #4944 on: July 20, 2015, 12:46:59 AM »
  Gravity waves, were just confirmed by scientists.
  Gravity waves are energy, just like the wind is and has energy.
  We just don't know how to tap these gravity waves to obtain useful power from them, yet.

Wind is nothing more than solar energy.  Unequal heating and cooling of the earth's surface creates wind.  Wind is just another delivery vehicle for solar energy. Gravity is a closed system and no additional energy can be extracted from it and be made to perform work.

Bill

Offline Spilled Fluids

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« Reply #4945 on: July 20, 2015, 12:55:40 AM »
Wind is nothing more than solar energy.  Unequal heating and cooling of the earth's surface creates wind.  Wind is just another delivery vehicle for solar energy. Gravity is a closed system and no additional energy can be extracted from it and be made to perform work.

Bill

Upon reading about this, I discovered that the main use for gravitational waves will likely be to 'see' into parts of the universe where electromagnetic waves cannot penetrate.
Also it is reported that the energy of gravity waves is infinitesimally small; in fact so small as to be insignificant on earth,

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4946 on: July 20, 2015, 01:13:21 AM »
Just as i thought,you have no answer,and thus you hide behind babble.
I have shown you how a PM increases the work that can be done with a set amount of power.
No other material you can come up with will increase the work being done against that spring with a set amount of power as show in my simple experiment.

Like all other self acclaimed guru's,you fail at providing a simple answer,and the reason is-you have none.The electrical power remains the same,and yet the work done against the spring is increased simply by adding a PM into the system. You deny the outcome,and yet you have no argument against it.

Nonsense, like usual you are not accounting for the waste heat.

When you add the magnet, more of the supplied electrical energy is used to pull on the spring, and less is lost do to waste heat.

It like saying that the system goes from 28% efficient to 35% efficient when you add the magnet.  It's meaningless and the magnet was not a source of energy at all.

Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4947 on: July 20, 2015, 01:28:05 AM »
The PM is a red herring in this experiment. Think of a motorcycle slip streaming a semi transport truck. Then think of a bicycle doing the same. Do you honestly think that the motorcycle or bicycle actually do work that makes the truck go faster(it would actually cause more drag since part of the stream would be disrupted)?

Then why would a PM, ferrite or steel bolt do that when attracted the a powered electromagnet in this bogus experiment?

the only bogus here is you SF. I proved you wrong in regards to the stored energy within the ball being the energy used to give that ball it's second bounce,and i can prove you wrong with your little truck/bicycle/motor bike rubbish as well.

Below is a picture of my rig-would you like to debate this drag bullsh-t thing further?.

Offline Spilled Fluids

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« Reply #4948 on: July 20, 2015, 01:31:09 AM »
the only bogus here is you SF. I proved you wrong in regards to the stored energy within the ball being the energy used to give that ball it's second bounce,and i can prove you wrong with your little truck/bicycle/motor bike rubbish as well.

Below is a picture of my rig-would you like to debate this drag bullsh-t thing further?.

You have proven nothing; even the more experienced here have said so.
I'm not interested in debating with a poser.

As the sharks say when they are dismissing money seekers with nothing worth buying...I'm Out!

Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4949 on: July 20, 2015, 01:32:32 AM »
Agreed but this one was setup to specifically try to make me look wrong...he failed and so far I don't see he has learned anything.
I on the other hand, learned a couple of new things so it wasn't a complete loss  ;D
I proved you wrong in regards to your bouncing ball,and your too chicken sh-t to explain as to where the extra force comes from in regard to my experiment-->and i can prove you wrong with your motorcycle placing drag on the truck bullsh-t as well.
In fact,you are full of bullsh-t,and you know it.