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Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4890 on: July 19, 2015, 03:53:32 PM »
But the energy required to magnetize the coil does change.  This has now been explained to you more than half a dozen times by Verpies and myself.
With regards to an air core coil,regardless of the presents of a magnetic field or not,no more energy is required to magnetize the coil in order to gain a higher force in the presents of a PM.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4890 on: July 19, 2015, 03:53:32 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4891 on: July 19, 2015, 03:57:45 PM »
Dear mister !my rocks wont bounce!
I gave you an experiment to carry out that shows a PM doing useful work. It dosnt matter what situation that PM dose that work in,weather it is additive to an existing force or not.
You(like all others so far) have failed to prove me wrong,and in stead,you hide behind irrelevant excuses. It dose not matter how that PM dose the work,nor dose it matter in what situation it dose it-->the fact is,it dose useful work. Now stop hiding,and explain as to how it is not doing useful work in the experiment i gave you-->you are yet to answer.

You absolutely did not give me an experiment that showed a PM doing work. You gave me an experiment showing an electromagnet doing work. It is completely irrelevant if you used a ferrite, a PM , an iron plug or a block of wood. None of those are doing any work.

To your inane and relatively stupid question, there is no answer since the PM is not doing any work, period.

By you arguements I could put a brick in the trunk of may care then measure the car's acceleration and compare it to the same car with two bricks in the trunk. Neither brick is doing a lick of work; it is the engine or the electromagnet in your experiment.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4892 on: July 19, 2015, 03:58:23 PM »
Time is not a factor in the test,as it is an applied DC current,
...but it is :(   
This is because when you start applying that "DC current" this current does not rise instantly, and it is during the time when the current rises, that the energy transfer takes place.  Please, please read this carefully.

...and this current may be applied to the coil for as long as you like.
...but during the application of this current not all of the energy carried by it goes into the building of the coil's magnetic field.
After 5τ almost none of it goes to that purpose and almost all of it goes to heating the winding.

The point of the test is to show the force applied against the spring
Force is not energy either.  Integral of force * distance is energy.  However the distance that a given spring is extended indeed is a good representation of potential energy, even if distance is not energy ;) .  ...so I have no qualms about this part of your experiment.

with a set amount of power/electrical energy,what ever you like to call it on the day, flowing into the coil.
That is the point. After 5τ almost none of the electric energy is converted into the coil's magnetic field
Please do not synonimize power/energy with a slash.  They are not the same and it creates confusion for other readers.  Power is a concept that illustrates how quickly energy gets transferred.

So it takes no power to create the magnetic field around the coil?
It takes energy to create the magnetic field around a coil.  How quickly you create it, determines the power.

If you look at my diagram you will see that at 0.69τ (point B) the speed of energy flow (a.k.a. power) into the coil reaches its peak and starts decreasing afterwards, eventually reaching zero power and magnetic energy equal to ½*L*(V/R)2, at Tau >> 5

If it dose,then that should be added to your above answer.
No, because I was writing about the final current and the only thing you can tell from the final current is the power of the heater formed by the coil's windings.  You cannot determine the energy transferred to coil's magnetic field from the final current alone.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4893 on: July 19, 2015, 04:03:28 PM »
Do you know of equal and opposite forces?
If the electromagnet is applying a force on a iron bolt,then the iron bolt is applying an equal and opposite force against the electromagnet.

Now tell us why these forces should increase simply by replacing the iron bolt with a PM,without having to increase the energy applied to the coil?.If you cant answer that,i will answer it for you.

It's really quite simple; neither the PM nor the ferrite nor the bolt are doing any work, it is the electromagnet.

You obviously don't even understand your won experiment.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4894 on: July 19, 2015, 04:04:28 PM »
You absolutely did not give me an experiment that showed a PM doing work. You gave me an experiment showing an electromagnet doing work. It is completely irrelevant if you used a ferrite, a PM , an iron plug or a block of wood. None of those are doing any work.

To your inane and relatively stupid question, there is no answer since the PM is not doing any work, period.

By you arguements I could put a brick in the trunk of may care then measure the car's acceleration and compare it to the same car with two bricks in the trunk. Neither brick is doing a lick of work; it is the engine or the electromagnet in your experiment.

Ok guru,dose it take energy to create a magnetic field<--lets see if you can answer this.

Oh,by the way--the bricks in your car thing. Once the car is moving,the bricks now has stored potential energy. When you stop the car,the bricks would have given back that stored energy in way of inertial force against the car.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4895 on: July 19, 2015, 04:04:39 PM »
No comment on my wood block versus ferrite block post?

OK, another cup of coffee later...

If the EM is replaced with a PM so that there is a constant tension produced on the spring scale (irregardless of the material used for the block), is work being performed during period of time that the system remains stationary?  Would this not just be "a magnet stuck to a refrigerator" scenario?

Is it not only during the "time" period when tension is being "changed" (applied or removed) that counts as "work"?

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« Reply #4896 on: July 19, 2015, 04:05:55 PM »
the difference is more the car traveling down hill as apposed to up hill.
But before i go any further,we will wait for !self bouncing masses with elasticity! to answer my question.

The question has been answered by myself and two others all with the same explanation. You simply fail to understand gravity, forces and energy.

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Offline tinman

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4897 on: July 19, 2015, 04:09:32 PM »
It's really quite simple;

You obviously don't even understand your won experiment.

My won experiment?--> you must be getting sleepy ;D Another spelling error?. I am glad you picked up on my gramer mistakes ;)

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neither the PM nor the ferrite nor the bolt are doing any work, it is the electromagnet.

Ahh ok :o
Just remove the PM,ferrite keeper,bolt,and see how much work your electromagnet dose against the spring.

You havnt answered my question-dose it require energy to create a magnetic field?.

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« Reply #4898 on: July 19, 2015, 04:11:51 PM »
The question has been answered by myself and two others all with the same explanation. You simply fail to understand gravity, forces and energy.

What two others have said that the energy used to compress the ball for the second bounce is not from the energy used and stored to lift the ball to it's starting height?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4899 on: July 19, 2015, 04:13:42 PM »
No comment on my wood block versus ferrite block post?

OK, another cup of coffee later...

If the EM is replaced with a PM so that there is a constant tension produced on the spring scale (irregardless of the material used for the block), is work being performed during period of time that the system remains stationary?  Would this not just be "a magnet stuck to a refrigerator" scenario?

Is it not only during the "time" period when tension is being "changed" (applied or removed) that counts as "work"?

We are not replacing the EM with a PM,we are replacing the ferrite keeper with a PM.

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« Reply #4900 on: July 19, 2015, 04:14:58 PM »
Ok guru,dose it take energy to create a magnetic field<--lets see if you can answer this.

Oh,by the way--the bricks in your car thing. Once the car is moving,the bricks now has stored potential energy. When you stop the car,the bricks would have given back that stored energy in way of inertial force against the car.

I and probably the others am tired of your silly games. I'll leave in the capable hands of the power utility who don't find any humour in your nutball ideas.

I'll leave you with these last words. Since you have more than adequately demonstrated you know little about physics, I'm calling your device just another hunk of iron that does nothing but cause problems with the power utility and because you tell us it isn't an over unity device.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4901 on: July 19, 2015, 04:15:03 PM »
the difference is more the car traveling down hill as apposed to up hill.
But before i go any further,we will wait for !self bouncing masses with elasticity! to answer my question.
No, the issue here is mesuring the energy that it takes to get the car to some speed versus the continuous power required to keep the car going at that speed given windage, tyre rolling losses, etc.  The PM oriented one way yields a higher field, but that higher field does not come for free.  Conversely, if you reverse the PM you end up with a weaker field and that field costs less energy to establish.  The PM does not add energy in the former case, nor does it destroy energy in the latter case.  You are not evaluating the energy required to set-up the field. 

On the bouncing ball:  A cycle starts at the ball's apogee.  As you note, each successive apogee is lower and lower due to losses.  Each cycle begins with a given gravitational potential energy and over the course of that cycle, the potential at the end is less than at the beginning.  The ball only bounces because GPE converts to KE during the fall and then into potential energy in the stress of the ball material on impact and then back into KE as the ball pushes away from the ground, and finally GPE as it reaches its new apogee.  If the ball were to reach the same apogee cycle after cycle, or successively higher apogees then things would be very interesting.

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« Reply #4902 on: July 19, 2015, 04:16:23 PM »
What two others have said that the energy used to compress the ball for the second bounce is not from the energy used and stored to lift the ball to it's starting height?

Put on your remedial reading glasses and check the last couple of pages of this thread.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4903 on: July 19, 2015, 04:17:46 PM »
We are not replacing the EM with a PM,we are replacing the ferrite keeper with a PM.

I know, please reread my post, you apparently missed my point...

Irregardless of whether the EM is an EM or a PM, and as well, irregardless of whether the "block" is ferrite or a PM, is work being performed during any period of time during which the system is "stationary"?

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« Reply #4904 on: July 19, 2015, 04:20:33 PM »
We are not replacing the EM with a PM,we are replacing the ferrite keeper with a PM.
What picowatt was trying to get you to consider is when is work being done.  Let me put it to you this way:  Suppose that we leave the electromagnet on for a week.  How much energy is transferred to the spring after the first minute?  How about the first hour or day?  How do those values compare to the amount of energy that goes into the spring during the first second?

 

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