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### Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 3323228 times)

#### MarkE

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« Reply #4815 on: July 19, 2015, 11:47:54 AM »
Since you are so insistent, you best go the site I linked to and get them to change their definition so that RATIO is the paramount point of their definition. In all this you have lost site of the fact that you are verifying that voltage is intrinsic to the measurement of electrical energy.
If voltage is the ratio of energy to charge, then energy is also a ratio of voltage to charge. Charge being the only factor which is non variable.

The point I've been making is simple. You claim there is no energy IN voltage. Yet your maths ratio shows an explicit relationship between the two. Then to top it off, an independent source that I cite makes no mention of, nor highlights ratio, it just references Potential Energy measured for an arbitrary unit. All measurements are based upon arbitrary units. So what ?
LOL, semantic games and strawmen.  I have claimed and insist that voltage is the ratio of energy to charge.  Voltage is not energy.  No value of voltage gives us any quantity of energy until associated with a defined quantity of charge.  If you want to claim that I have said anything different, you are welcome to comb through my posts and attempt to find a supporting quote.

#### MarkE

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« Reply #4816 on: July 19, 2015, 11:49:35 AM »
A lifted rock, once dropped cannot lift itself back up and a compressed spring, once released cannot compress itself. Same should apply to permanent magnets.
As far as we know that is true.  There are many who think they can find a way to get around that "sticky spot" and come up with a closed cycle magnet machine that nets out useful work each complete cycle.  PESN is full of such things.  None of them have ever worked.

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« Reply #4817 on: July 19, 2015, 11:58:01 AM »
LOL, semantic games and strawmen.  I have claimed and insist that voltage is the ratio of energy to charge.  Voltage is not energy.  No value of voltage gives us any quantity of energy until associated with a defined quantity of charge.  If you want to claim that I have said anything different, you are welcome to comb through my posts and attempt to find a supporting quote.
You claimed that there is no energy IN voltage. Other sources say otherwise. On this occasion I will trust the other source.

#### Spilled Fluids

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« Reply #4818 on: July 19, 2015, 12:02:24 PM »
You claimed that there is no energy IN voltage. Other sources say otherwise. On this occasion I will trust the other source.

I don't see where Mark is saying there is no energy IN voltage only that voltage does not equal energy. There is a difference.

#### Tito L. Oracion

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« Reply #4819 on: July 19, 2015, 12:08:19 PM »
I don't see where Mark is saying there is no energy IN voltage only that voltage does not equal energy. There is a difference.

Actually, adding a small caps in a very high voltage can kill.

you try holding it.

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« Reply #4820 on: July 19, 2015, 12:09:55 PM »
Feel free to go back through his posts. I can't be bothered. I chimed in some time back because he was so dismissive of another poster who said there is a need for Voltage to be present for blah, blah.  Tis getting stale, Care factor now pretty much zero. Would rather zzzz

#### Spilled Fluids

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« Reply #4821 on: July 19, 2015, 12:11:21 PM »

Actually, adding a small caps in a very high voltage can kill.

you try holding it.

It's not the voltage that kills you it is the current!

If voltage alone could kill us then the atmospheric voltage at heights like in an airplane would have killed all living things long ago.

#### MarkE

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« Reply #4822 on: July 19, 2015, 12:11:52 PM »
You claimed that there is no energy IN voltage. Other sources say otherwise. On this occasion I will trust the other source.
Let's see a quote from me that supports your claim.

#### Spilled Fluids

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« Reply #4823 on: July 19, 2015, 12:15:41 PM »
Feel free to go back through his posts. I can't be bothered. I chimed in some time back because he was so dismissive of another poster who said there is a need for Voltage to be present for blah, blah.  Tis getting stale, Care factor now pretty much zero. Would rather zzzz

They are just words and they have specific meanings. Some folks are more careful when choosing and using words while others take liberties that can give them different meaning.
I think Mark uses words to mean exactly what they are intended to portray.
Nothing to get bent out of shape for though

#### MarkE

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« Reply #4824 on: July 19, 2015, 12:15:51 PM »

Actually, adding a small caps in a very high voltage can kill.

you try holding it.
Walk across your carpet and touch the door knob.  You might be annoyed, but you will still be standing.  You just discharged a capacitor that on a nice really dry day: say winter indoors in Chicago can get charged to 25kV or more.

#### Tito L. Oracion

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« Reply #4825 on: July 19, 2015, 12:21:14 PM »
Walk across your carpet and touch the door knob.  You might be annoyed, but you will still be standing.  You just discharged a capacitor that on a nice really dry day: say winter indoors in Chicago can get charged to 25kV or more.

oh ya, thats static.

#### Spilled Fluids

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« Reply #4826 on: July 19, 2015, 12:22:25 PM »
Walk across your carpet and touch the door knob.  You might be annoyed, but you will still be standing.  You just discharged a capacitor that on a nice really dry day: say winter indoors in Chicago can get charged to 25kV or more.

This is why when working around sensitive electronics, one should always be grounded.
I worked on medical monitors at Tektronix and ECG monitors had to be certified double grounded so that any transient static could not find it's way through the patient; it only takes a couple of milliamps of current to put a heart into defib.

#### Spilled Fluids

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« Reply #4827 on: July 19, 2015, 12:23:55 PM »

oh ya, thats static.

Well, that is exactly what a capacitor is; a static charge holding device.

#### tinman

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« Reply #4828 on: July 19, 2015, 12:25:44 PM »
A lifted rock, once dropped cannot lift itself back up and a compressed spring, once released cannot compress itself. Same should apply to permanent magnets.

And yet if a lifted golf ball is dropped onto steel or concrete,the ball will come to a stop at one point,and then be accelerated in the opposite direction back up to a slightly lower point to that of the first drop height.Not only was energy used to raise the ball,but that same amount of energy was stored at the same time.The energy lost/dissipated was through vibration,sound and air resistance.

#### MarkE

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« Reply #4829 on: July 19, 2015, 12:30:33 PM »

oh ya, thats static.
Yes, it is a capacitor.