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Offline MarkE

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« Reply #4800 on: July 19, 2015, 10:58:51 AM »
Yes, IT is the charge, and the Voltage represents the potential energy of IT, it being the charge.
No matter how you try to twist it around, voltage is the potential energy of charge. That's precisely why voltage is referred to as voltage potential in the first place.


I initially truncated the sentence simply because there was no need to copy and paste the whole definition because I gave a link to the whole definition. I prefer brevity to verbosity.
Voltage = R A T I O of energy to charge.  Voltage <> energy.  Voltage <> charge.  If one does not define a specific quantity of charge, then one cannot relate a specific voltage to any specific value of energy.  Try to wiggle all you want. 

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« Reply #4801 on: July 19, 2015, 11:01:52 AM »
Ok, I'll give my head a shake for that one.

So what is this experiment to show me that permanent magnets can do useful work?
I don't want to read you telling me about fridge magnets holding shopping lists to the fridge door or magnets holding cupboard doors closed or magnets being used for clasps or notebook cover securings.

I want to see magnets doing actual work.Does your experiment cover this?

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I want to see magnets doing actual work.Does your experiment cover this?

Yes it dose. All you have to do is state that you know PM's cant do useful work.I will then post the description(and a rough sketch) of the experiment that will show you PM's doing useful work.

Offline MarkE

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« Reply #4802 on: July 19, 2015, 11:04:11 AM »
Just a question Mark
How is this electric flow continually maintained in order for the magnetic field to exist in the electromagnetic wave?.
In a propagating electromagnetic wave each component of the field E and M oscillates self sustaining the other.  That is one of the beautiful things that falls out from Maxwell's equations.  Special relativity gives us the magnetic field from moving charge.

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« Reply #4803 on: July 19, 2015, 11:04:18 AM »
Yes it dose. All you have to do is state that you know PM's cant do useful work.I will then post the description(and a rough sketch) of the experiment that will show you PM's doing useful work.

OK, I will state that Permanent Magnets cannot do useful work. If you prove me wrong, I will be happy to admit it.

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« Reply #4804 on: July 19, 2015, 11:04:26 AM »
Revolution green is mark Dansies blog. Not a forum.hence my confusion.  I worked with ken the Dev on the SEO for it.

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« Reply #4805 on: July 19, 2015, 11:10:23 AM »
OK, I will state that Permanent Magnets cannot do useful work. If you prove me wrong, I will be happy to admit it.

OK,i will go draw up a couple of quick sketches for the experiment.
When you have completed the test's,it will be then up to you to explain to us why the PM's are not the cause of the extra work(useful work) being done.

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« Reply #4806 on: July 19, 2015, 11:13:44 AM »
OK,i will go draw up a couple of quick sketches for the experiment.
When you have completed the test's,it will be then up to you to explain to us why the PM's are not the cause of the extra work(useful work) being done.
Is this work going to be summed over a full cycle or fractional cycle?

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« Reply #4807 on: July 19, 2015, 11:13:52 AM »
OK,i will go draw up a couple of quick sketches for the experiment.
When you have completed the test's,it will be then up to you to explain to us why the PM's are not the cause of the extra work(useful work) being done.

Will do if it turns out that's the case  8)

I have a selection of neodymium magnets of various strengths and size here.

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« Reply #4808 on: July 19, 2015, 11:18:32 AM »
Is this work going to be summed over a full cycle or fractional cycle?

If it doesn't produce useful work over a full cycle then it really isn't useful since that means that more work would have to be put into the rest of the cycle.

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« Reply #4809 on: July 19, 2015, 11:20:41 AM »
If it doesn't produce useful work over a full cycle then it really isn't useful since that means that more work would have to be put into the rest of the cycle.
Just so we are clear on that.

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« Reply #4810 on: July 19, 2015, 11:25:50 AM »
Voltage = R A T I O of energy to charge.  Voltage <> energy.  Voltage <> charge.  If one does not define a specific quantity of charge, then one cannot relate a specific voltage to any specific value of energy.  Try to wiggle all you want.
Since you are so insistent, you best go the site I linked to and get them to change their definition so that RATIO is the paramount point of their definition. In all this you have lost site of the fact that you are verifying that voltage is intrinsic to the measurement of electrical energy.
If voltage is the ratio of energy to charge, then energy is also a ratio of voltage to charge. Charge being the only factor which is non variable.

The point I've been making is simple. You claim there is no energy IN voltage. Yet your maths ratio shows an explicit relationship between the two. Then to top it off, an independent source that I cite makes no mention of, nor highlights ratio, it just references Potential Energy measured for an arbitrary unit. All measurements are based upon arbitrary units. So what ?

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« Reply #4811 on: July 19, 2015, 11:34:39 AM »
What problems with accurate and unambiguous readings are caused by modern test gear?
The most commmon problems are aliasing effects, and limited waveform capture rates.  Newer digital scopes have much higher capture rates: the number of waveforms that the scope can capture each second than older and less expensive devices.  A good example of people getting thrown off the rails by "scoposcopy" was Rosemary Ainslie and Aaron Murakami looking at a very simple low side driver circuit timed by a venerable 555 timer chip.  No matter how many times TK tried to straighten them out, they insisted that the garbage on their instruments' displays was an accurate depiction of the circuit waveforms which it was not.

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« Reply #4812 on: July 19, 2015, 11:43:32 AM »
Yes it dose. All you have to do is state that you know PM's cant do useful work.I will then post the description(and a rough sketch) of the experiment that will show you PM's doing useful work.
Like lots of things, such as even a lifted rock, there are many permanent magnet arrangements that can release energy once: taking the system from a higher energy potential to a lower energy potential.  Over a closed cycle where the system energy potential returns to its starting point is another matter.

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« Reply #4813 on: July 19, 2015, 11:44:00 AM »
The most commmon problems are aliasing effects, and limited waveform capture rates.  Newer digital scopes have much higher capture rates: the number of waveforms that the scope can capture each second than older and less expensive devices.  A good example of people getting thrown off the rails by "scoposcopy" was Rosemary Ainslie and Aaron Murakami looking at a very simple low side driver circuit timed by a venerable 555 timer chip.  No matter how many times TK tried to straighten them out, they insisted that the garbage on their instruments' displays was an accurate depiction of the circuit waveforms which it was not.

Yes these are the problems. It's the same with digital music vs analog music. Analog music is complete as captured but digital music is just the analog music sliced and diced then put back together. There is always something lost in the translation. Same goes for scopes or other digital measuring systems.
I'm sorry I missed your question.

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« Reply #4814 on: July 19, 2015, 11:47:30 AM »
Like lots of things, such as even a lifted rock, there are many permanent magnet arrangements that can release energy once: taking the system from a higher energy potential to a lower energy potential.  Over a closed cycle where the system energy potential returns to its starting point is another matter.

A lifted rock, once dropped cannot lift itself back up and a compressed spring, once released cannot compress itself. Same should apply to permanent magnets.

 

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