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Offline NoBull

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4785 on: July 19, 2015, 10:20:06 AM »
How can this motor spin so quickly with only DC applied to the rotor while the stator coils are disconnected?
Do the brushes energize one rotor winding at a time or all of them?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4786 on: July 19, 2015, 10:20:16 AM »
snip...
Of course back then I didn't have to deal with integrated circuits.
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Aaah, nostalgia. Brings a tear to my eye. Anna Log, may she live forever discreet. LOL
I admit, my own pre digital, pre ic knowledge far outweighs my post digital expertise. Just call me dinosaur. Oh hang on, no need, us toads are even more primitive than them. Except we survived and the dino's didn't.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4787 on: July 19, 2015, 10:21:53 AM »
Cant see it being that one,as it hasnt been up that long.

It was started approximately two years ago and I've been there for about a year and a half.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4787 on: July 19, 2015, 10:21:53 AM »
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Offline Spilled Fluids

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4788 on: July 19, 2015, 10:25:46 AM »
Aaah, nostalgia. Brings a tear to my eye. Anna Log, may she live forever discreet. LOL
I admit, my own pre digital, pre ic knowledge far outweighs my post digital expertise. Just call me dinosaur. Oh hang on, no need, us toads are even more primitive than them. Except we survived and the dino's didn't.

KneeDeep

So many things were better(easier) back then. I worked for a couple of years at Tektronix as a service tech and we never had problems with getting accurate and unambiguous readings like people do today with digital scopes and digital meters.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4789 on: July 19, 2015, 10:26:15 AM »
Admittedly, it isn't the best format for doing that since you have to find a thread that might apply and post in it. Unlike here where new topics can be started at will. I think R-G is set up more like a blog than a forum.

BTW; I recently changed my login over there to SF. Prior to that I was known as Disillusioned Guest. I changed it so that SF would be consistent across several forums, most having nothing to to with energy technologies.

Okay, I see you there but I don't understand how you can post your experiment results there.

So you're into small wood boat building?

Luc

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Offline Spilled Fluids

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« Reply #4790 on: July 19, 2015, 10:31:44 AM »
Okay, I see you there but I don't understand how you can post your experiment results there.

So you're into small wood boat building?

Luc

Like I said, you just find a thread that has a similar flavour to it and post in the comments section. I posted many of mine under various threads about magnetic motor frauds like Yildiz, Kahloon and Parendev. They were off topic but got the attention and feedback I wanted.

I haven't built any boats for a few years now but I did manage to produce a small fleet of them; 8 all told. Did you see the link to my web page?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4791 on: July 19, 2015, 10:32:13 AM »
I worked for a couple of years at Tektronix as a service tech and we never had problems with getting accurate and unambiguous readings like people do today with digital scopes and digital meters.
What problems with accurate and unambiguous readings are caused by modern test gear?

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« Reply #4791 on: July 19, 2015, 10:32:13 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4792 on: July 19, 2015, 10:33:58 AM »


Fortunately for me; I don't need to be spoon fed. .
In my early days as an electronics tech, I often had to repair radio equipment with out the aid of schematics or manuals. Of course back then I didn't have to deal with integrated circuits. I also did a stint with a transformer company where we made many different types and configurations of transformers and saturable reactors. Of course most of that can be done with semi conductor components today.

So, don't worry about me, I'll build it and fine tune it just fine.

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My formal training is in radio telecommunication electronics and I am more than capable of reverse engineering something as simple as this

I doubt that very much.

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You are the one who brought up the PM reference, not me.

And your point is?
Let me guess-i hit the nail on the head when i stated that you would be one of those that believe a PM can do no useful work?.
If you confirm my guess,and state that a PM can do no useful work,i will give you a very simple experiment to perform to prove you wrong.

Offline verpies

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4793 on: July 19, 2015, 10:36:06 AM »
How can this motor spin so quickly with only DC applied to the rotor while the stator coils are disconnected?
The universal motor does not need the stator coils because the rotor electromagnets can be attracted to the pole-pieces of the stator core - just like an electromagnet attracts scrap ferromagnetic metal in a junk yard.

The rotor's electromagnets are phased by the commutator and brushes in such manner that their magnetic field is not parallel to stator's pole pieces so the they continually keep getting rotated in line with the stator core poles.

Do the brushes energize one rotor winding at a time or all of them?
In Tinman's motor - I don't know
...but in most regular universal motors all of the rotor windings are connected in series and are all energized most of the time, consequently on one side of the line bisecting the rotor the pole pieces form south poles and on the other side of that line, they form north poles.  In the diagram below, sometimes two windings less than the total are energized when brushes cross commutator boundaries
(Fig.1 shows rotor windings connected to the commutator in angular phase, but in most rotors these connections have an angular offset as in Fig.2 - note that stator is not shown).

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4794 on: July 19, 2015, 10:39:45 AM »
I doubt that very much.

And your point is?
Let me guess-i hit the nail on the head when i stated that you would be one of those that believe a PM can do no useful work?.
If you confirm my guess,and state that a PM can do no useful work,i will give you a very simple experiment to perform to prove you wrong.

Yeh, you confused me by throwing that right smack dab in the middle of those statements; pretty hard not to read that into it. If PMs existed then of course they could do useful work but that is one hell of a big 'if'!

Ok, I'm an equal opportunity skeptic; what is this experiment that will let me build a perpetual motion machine? I will give it my honest best shot to make it work.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4795 on: July 19, 2015, 10:44:48 AM »
Yeh, you confused me by throwing that right smack dab in the middle of those statements; pretty hard not to read that into it. If PMs existed then of course they could do useful work but that is one hell of a big 'if'!

Ok, I'm an equal opportunity skeptic; what is this experiment that will let me build a perpetual motion machine? I will give it my honest best shot to make it work.

Please refer to the post that said i would give you a perpetual motion machine,and i will give you the build detail's. ;)

PM= Permanent magnet.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4796 on: July 19, 2015, 10:49:36 AM »
Please refer to the post that said i would give you a perpetual motion machine,and i will give you the build detail's. ;)

PM= Permanent magnet.

Ok, I'll give my head a shake for that one.

So what is this experiment to show me that permanent magnets can do useful work?
I don't want to read you telling me about fridge magnets holding shopping lists to the fridge door or magnets holding cupboard doors closed or magnets being used for clasps or notebook cover securings.

I want to see magnets doing actual work. Does your experiment cover this?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4797 on: July 19, 2015, 10:54:30 AM »
I want to see magnets doing actual work.
Are you expecting non-zero closed integral of force vs. distance or some kind of induced electric result?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4798 on: July 19, 2015, 10:55:10 AM »
And your point is?
I think his point is that magnets cannot do non-zero work summed for a full cycle of any process and he will not accept any results for fractional cycles.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #4799 on: July 19, 2015, 10:58:14 AM »
Are you expecting non-zero closed integral of force vs. distance or some kind of electric result?

Mechanical or electrical would be fine. I would just like to see a permanent magnet do more than simply be a conservative force or a spring. To do work, it needs to produce energy, not just release it.

 

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