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### Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 3329435 times)

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« Reply #3720 on: June 21, 2015, 10:35:14 PM »
@Nelson
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The second law of thermodynamics states that all systems doing work always lose
some energy as waste heat. This creates a limit to the amount of energy that can
do work by a heating process, a limit called the available energy that make work.
I mean no offense and this is not directed at you but when I hear people talk about thermodynamics and heat the term ignorance comes to mind. Don't get me wrong I am a Power Engineer and an expert in all heat based energy systems and I have most likely forgotten more on this subject that 95% of most people will ever know. However a long time ago I came to understand my supposed field of expertise is in fact an illusion... a delusion.
All heat relates to oscillations in matter which is fundamentally ElectroMagnetic in it's nature as there is no "heat" at the most fundamental level only particles and fields. Heat does not radiate EM energy does, Heat does not conduct the EM oscillations in matter diffuse and convection is simply a diluted version of conduction. As such thermodynamics is just the simplified layman's version of Electrodynamics which doesn't really imply a deep understanding of much of anything in my opinion.
Chemistry is really no different as once again all we have are particles and fields at the most fundamental level thus all chemistry is also a simplified layman's version of Electrodynamics. So the answer seemed obvious to me that if everything we know and all fields of science always converge directly on the contruct of particles and fields then why not try to understand something which explains everything?. I still get a kick when people try to talk thermodynamics because to be honest it's like listening to a 5 year old trying to explain the space shuttle. It is just so far removed from the actual facts of what actually happens on the most fundamental level that it just sounds ridiculous.

I think we need to move past the caveman mentality of thermodynamics if we are to make any real progress and it has no future. There is zero possibility we will be using the antiquated disfunctional concept of thermodynamics and "heat engines" in our future.

AC

#### nelsonrochaa

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« Reply #3721 on: June 21, 2015, 10:54:24 PM »
@NelsonI mean no offense and this is not directed at you but when I hear people talk about thermodynamics and heat the term ignorance comes to mind. Don't get me wrong I am a Power Engineer and an expert in all heat based energy systems and I have most likely forgot more on this subject that 95% of most people will ever know. However a long time ago I came to understand my supposed field of expertise is in fact an illusion... a delusion.
All heat relates to oscillations in matter which is fundamentally ElectroMagnetic in it's nature as there is no "heat" at the most fundamental level only particles and fields. Heat does not radiate EM energy does, Heat does not conduct the EM oscillations in matter diffuse and convection is simply a diluted version of conduction. As such thermodynamics is just the simplified layman's version of Electrodynamics which doesn't really imply a deep understanding of much of anything in my opinion.
Chemistry is really no different as once again all we have are particles and fields at the most fundamental level thus all chemistry is also a simplified layman's version of Electrodynamics. So the answer seemed obvious to me that if everything we know and all fields of science always converge directly on the contruct of particles and fields then why not try to understand something which explains everything?. I still get a kick when people try to talk thermodynamics because to be honest it's like listening to a 5 year old trying to explain the space shuttle. It is just so far removed from the actual facts of what actually happens on the most fundamental level that it just sounds ridiculous.

I think we need to move past the caveman mentality of thermodynamics if we are to make any real progress and it has no future. There is zero possibility we will be using the antiquated disfunctional concept of "heat engines" in our future.

AC

hi allcanadian is that point ! The laws have to be updated and not anchored to a laws formulated at so many years without update.

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« Reply #3722 on: June 21, 2015, 11:07:53 PM »
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hi allcanadian is that point ! The laws have to be updated and not anchored
to a laws formulated at so many years without update.
I think many people like us are becoming more aware of this fact and many still seem to be using outdated and confusing terminology and concepts to explain something which is fundamentally simple. The fact remains that if everything relates to particles and fields on the most fundamental level then if we fully understand them we understand everything. At which point it becomes apparent we don't have an energy crisis we have an intelligence crisis because we are swimming in a sea of energy.

AC

#### nelsonrochaa

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« Reply #3723 on: June 21, 2015, 11:18:04 PM »
Nelson:
I think that what you are showing in the video, when the motor speeds up, is a better impedence match, as the amp draw will be raised as well. So, Not more out than in.

Hello Nick.
I think you did not see well the video.
The engine consumption, lower and speed up when I turn the resistive load (bulb) think noticeable in the video that the engine speed increases and the lower the total consumption.
About more out than input , i think you do not understand my point of view that i try to explain in last post about conversion efficiency and losses. My English is awful but i think you can understand .
thanks

#### NickZ

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« Reply #3724 on: June 21, 2015, 11:35:39 PM »
a.King:
You may have touched on the partial answer my question, as to WHY we don't GET IT.
Mind control!!!  Airborn devices, satellite woodpecker signals, Tv commercials, Cell phone, etz...
Microwave interference, altering the mind's ability to conceive certain ideas,
such as FE concepts,  etz...    So, we are not free to invent, nor re-invent,  at all.
NickZ

#### a.king21

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« Reply #3725 on: June 21, 2015, 11:41:56 PM »
a.King:
You may have touched on the partial answer my question, as to WHY we don't GET IT.
Mind control!!!  Airborn devices, satellite woodpecker signals, Tv commercials, Cell phone, etz...
Microwave interference, altering the mind's ability to conceive certain ideas,
such as FE concepts,  etz...    So, we are not free to invent, nor re-invent,  at all.
NickZ

Exactly that. One of us should build the device and aim it back.

#### woopy

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« Reply #3726 on: June 21, 2015, 11:46:37 PM »
Hi Tinman

interesting  day in testing and learning around my motor

Just for info ( i precise because i know that i have to be very careful if i don't want to be shot down by ...)

I used the right part of your circuit schematic for the generating operation, and tried many things as differents  caps value and bulbs. Each of my stator generator coils is 1.9 ohms and about 16 mH. The 6 volts rated incandescent bulb light not at full brightness and the scope rms value across the cap and bulb indicates 4.6 volts.

So, for a first estimation concerning the left part of the schematic, i decided to use a easy way to get a shorting circuit on the second coil. So i mounted a small neomag on the shaft of the motor, and i connected the 2 end leads of the coil to a reed switch, so i could test the shorting all around the 360 degrees, by slowly moving the reed switch all around the shaft and magnet. So far this method seems not good and the shorting with the reed switch decrease slightly the brightness of the bulb and i did not get any sweet spot where the output increase. So i have to think otherwise i presume.

Voila , not very scientific, but my simple practical progress in this experiment.

Tomorrow is an other day, keep calm.

laurent

#### NickZ

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« Reply #3727 on: June 21, 2015, 11:47:11 PM »
Nelson:
I will watch the video again,  looking for the meter readings dropping, when the bulb is connected.
But, the main thing is to be able to feed-back some of the "extra power", and obtain a self runner. Or not?

EDIT:
Although it's not a partnered coil set up, (my older video below) there may be some similarities,  with my version of the
Akula/Ruslan device.   4 minute mart is showing what I mean with regards to the bulbs and impedence matching.
But, with higher output, and higher bulb lumin levels, the fets to get hotter, as well.  So, it a tricky balancing act.

#### nelsonrochaa

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« Reply #3728 on: June 22, 2015, 12:17:54 AM »
Nelson:
I will watch the video again,  looking for the meter readings dropping, when the bulb is connected.
But, the main thing is to be able to feed-back some of the "extra power", and obtain a self runner. Or not?

Hi Nick ,  the output where  bulb is connected is a Bemf output and when is "consumed" the motor speed raise and the amp lower.
Try to see this to understand the context of circuit .

About a self runner machine , is not a concern for me for now i work to find first  others aspects like improvements in conversion of power to real work available,  with small  inputs and with minimal losses.
But maybe in future . I like start a by the floor not bye the roof

#### MileHigh

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« Reply #3729 on: June 22, 2015, 01:06:16 AM »
Hi Tinman

interesting  day in testing and learning around my motor

Just for info ( i precise because i know that i have to be very careful if i don't want to be shot down by ...)

laurent

No Woopy, I resent being called the bad guy for pushing Tinman to try to do better.  Tinman has issues with refusing to accept information that he doesn't believe is right.  It has to be "pushed and forced" into him over and over.  He also has issues where he can't admit that he made a mistake and it just becomes silly.  He can't simply say, "I admit that I made a mistake, thank you for correcting me."  His presentation of his information is fair to poor to very poor, and he doesn't believe in any kind of professional courtesy with respect to providing complete information and summarizing his data for his audience.  So for me it's too frustrating to deal with him.  Nor is Tinman any kind of special person that is above criticism.

So I am not "shooting down" Tinman and I am not a "bad guy."  I think my pushing him and making demands of him are and were reasonable.  Reasonable demands, not crazy demands.  I don't have the patience that Mark or PW have and I don't believe that people should always "bend over ass-backwards" to "compensate" for Tinman's deficiencies.  I have watched many big, long, hard, grinding debates over weeks and weeks between Tinman and experts like Mark and PW where after all that time it turns out that Tinman was completely wrong.  It shouldn't be so difficult.

I am no angel, and Tinman is certainly no angel either.  Clearly, I am not the person to engage with Timnan on his projects and I should stay away.

Beyond that, I will simply repeat that he does not have any free energy technology with this setup.  He has been through this loop many times in the past and in the end there is always some reason for the misunderstanding.  Like I said, coil shorting is not a source of free energy.  It would appear that Tinman believes that it is, because that is the key component in his setup.  I don't know if it will take days or several weeks to finally arrive at the proper conclusion.  But in the end the truth will come out.

Yes, I pushed him in a way that he did not like and sometimes people need a push like that.  I was not "shooting him down" I was demanding petter performance from him and he is clearly refusing to try to do that.  I am not the bad guy.

MileHIgh

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« Reply #3730 on: June 22, 2015, 01:30:44 AM »
No Woopy, I resent being called the bad guy for pushing Tinman to try to do better.   It has to be "pushed and forced" into him over and over.  He also has issues where he can't admit that he made a mistake and it just becomes silly.  He can't simply say, "I admit that I made a mistake, thank you for correcting me."  His presentation of his information is fair to poor to very poor, and he doesn't believe in any kind of professional courtesy with respect to providing complete information and summarizing his data for his audience.  So for me it's too frustrating to deal with him.  Nor is Tinman any kind of special person that is above criticism.

So I am not "shooting down" Tinman and I am not a "bad guy."  I think my pushing him and making demands of him are and were reasonable.  Reasonable demands, not crazy demands.  I don't have the patience that Mark or PW have and I don't believe that people should always "bend over ass-backwards" to "compensate" for Tinman's deficiencies.    It shouldn't be so difficult.

I am no angel, and Tinman is certainly no angel either.  Clearly, I am not the person to engage with Timnan on his projects and I should stay away.

I don't know if it will take days or several weeks to finally arrive at the proper conclusion.  But in the end the truth will come out.

Yes, I pushed him in a way that he did not like and sometimes people need a push like that.  I was not "shooting him down" I was demanding petter performance from him and he is clearly refusing to try to do that.  I am not the bad guy.

MileHIgh

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Tinman has issues with refusing to accept information that he doesn't believe is right.

Your dam straight i do. If i dont think it's right,and im seeing that on my bench,then i choose to believe in my self.

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I have watched many big, long, hard, grinding debates over weeks and weeks between Tinman and experts like Mark and PW where after all that time it turns out that Tinman was completely wrong.

Please post such debates. I seem to remember some test i carried out where i was left with more stored energy than what i started with-in the form of compressed gases. MarkE done the calculations for me,and i can get the same results every time. Weather or not that extra stored energy can do more useful work than that of the starting energy is unknown.

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Beyond that, I will simply repeat that he does not have any free energy technology with this setup.  He has been through this loop many times in the past and in the end there is always some reason for the misunderstanding.

I have claimed no free energy device. I have shown only what i see.

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Like I said, coil shorting is not a source of free energy.  It would appear that Tinman believes that it is, because that is the key component in his setup.

You really need to stop putting words into peoples mouth MH,as that is crap. The coil shorting is only one part of the complete system,and as i have stated(many times now),there are components that are NOT depicted in the basic schematic supplied.

I should have known better to put forth anything before you. You have a one tracked mind-that being-->it hasnt been done before,there for it wont ever be done.
Hail those from the past that leave no path for the future.

#### MileHigh

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« Reply #3731 on: June 22, 2015, 01:44:59 AM »
Here is the issue in a nutshell:

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What i can assure you of is that the meters are reading correctly

If the meters are reading correctly then do you have a free energy machine?  This is an ongoing investigation on your part.

Your meters are showing about 9.5 watts being drawn by the total system and about 17 watts going to the light bulb load.  That sure looks like a free energy machine.

What you should be saying is that your meters _appear_ to be reading correctly because if hypothetically you were to take them at face value and you had 100% confidence in what your meters were telling you then you have revolutionized the world and you have a free energy machine.

So the conservative thing, and the proper thing to say at this point is that you have some kind of unexplainable anomaly with your meter readings.  You are far from being in a position of assuring me that the meters are reading correctly.

#### NickZ

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« Reply #3732 on: June 22, 2015, 02:00:04 AM »
So, is this partnered coil set up just more efficient, or is there a free energy side to it, eventually?
Is the level of efficiency all there is to this, or what exactly are partnered coil good for?

This reminds me of Tito.  I got a secret. But, I'm not telling.  5 years spent telling us hints...   about rat traps, and such

#### EMJunkie

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« Reply #3733 on: June 22, 2015, 02:07:49 AM »

Your dam straight i do. If i dont think it's right,and im seeing that on my bench,then i choose to believe in my self.

Please post such debates. I seem to remember some test i carried out where i was left with more stored energy than what i started with-in the form of compressed gases. MarkE done the calculations for me,and i can get the same results every time. Weather or not that extra stored energy can do more useful work than that of the starting energy is unknown.

I have claimed no free energy device. I have shown only what i see.

You really need to stop putting words into peoples mouth MH,as that is crap. The coil shorting is only one part of the complete system,and as i have stated(many times now),there are components that are NOT depicted in the basic schematic supplied.

I should have known better to put forth anything before you. You have a one tracked mind-that being-->it hasnt been done before,there for it wont ever be done.
Hail those from the past that leave no path for the future.

Tinman - Milehigh is Clinically Insane!

The point is, if the meters say you have something, and you can replicate the same thing time again, then you have something! Debate over.

This is very quickly going the way the Bill Alek debate went.

What a shame! Adults? Hahahaha are they? Many good people here is why I persist, some as always, that ruin it for all!

Someone Ban and Boot this Lunatic MileHigh! Insane people that have been asked to leave that don't, should be Booted and Banned!

Chris Sykes
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« Reply #3734 on: June 22, 2015, 02:11:31 AM »
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You may have touched on the partial answer my question, as to WHY we don't GET IT. [/size]    Mind control!!!  Airborn devices, satellite woodpecker signals, Tv commercials, Cell phone, etz...     Microwave interference, altering the mind's ability to conceive certain ideas, such as FE concepts,  etz...    So, we are not free to invent, nor re-invent,  at all.

It is quite natural to lay blame elsewhere however it is generally we who are responsible for our own actions and thoughts. It is quite natural for most to see the world objectively ie. simply filled with simple tangible objects separated by empty spaces even if it is sheer delusion. It is very hard to change our perspective of reality however understanding 99% of what we know is simply an illusion is a good start. For example we can do a real life experiment which I have done in the past which may change our perspective in ways we cannot imagine.

I remember one instance which led to a level of insight I cannot even begin to explain and it is very simple. On a clear calm night go outside and lay on the ground on your back looking up at all those stars for an hour or so. Now just lay back and really relax and if your like most people you may get the sense the stars are moving across the sky however this did not happen in my case. In my case I felt in a very real sense that I and the Earth below me were rotating and the stars were stationary which is in fact the true reality of what is actually happening. Which raises one very important question... Why in most every case does our mind tell us the stars are moving across the sky when we know this is not actually true?. The correct perception is that we are moving with the Earth and the stars stationary and until you can actually sense the reality of what you know is fundamentally true then you will always be stuck in an illusion your mind has created for you. Have you ever seen one of those pictures made up of colored dots where a 3D image appears if you stare at it long enough... it's like that and patience is required.... the stars are not moving you are.

Here is another thought experiment, look at any ordinary object and consider what you see. What you see is in fact an illusion your mind has created just for you to keep you relatively sane. That object is an aggregate of particles separated by a relatively large distance, moving near the speed of light and held in place by EM fields. There is nothing solid about it nor tangible in a relative sense and yet our mind tells us it has solidity when we know as a fact there is none present. It is a quagmire of delusion between what our mind tells us and what we know of the facts so why would we believe something we know is not fundamentally true?. Hence the confusion and if we could build a set of full spectrum EM glasses which could show matter, an object, for what it truly is it would probably look like the surface of the Sun. This is the difference between what our mind tells us and science and at some point we have to trust that someone somewhere made the effort to prove what our mind tells us we see is not the whole truth.

So there is no need to lay blame on others for our own twisted sense of normalcy bearing no resemblance to what we may or may not intuitively know to be true. The secret here is called Critical Thinking where we challenge everything including our own thoughts and beliefs and perceptions and this is the only way I know of to move forward and really learn something new.

That person we think we see in the mirror every morning is the problem.... but then again they may just as well be the solution depending on our perspective and our action.

AC