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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3660 on: June 20, 2015, 07:32:27 PM »
A big shout-out to Mr. fake talker himself, Atom1:

No response to the following, and no surprise at all there is no response:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Atom1:

I will answer your question, and I am also asking you a question myself:

Please tell us how a coil works.  Please write up a description of about five or six full paragraphs minimum in your own words in order to demonstrate your technical competency to us.

Quote<blockquote>I asked you a question show me your formula of how an electron is created from nothing ?</blockquote>
The answer to your question is that there is no formula.

Are you not satisfied with my answer?  Okay fine, then please answer your question for us so that we can all be enlightened.  I would suggest to you that your answer be at least three or four full paragraphs in length, preferably more.

Looking forward to reading your two comprehensive answers to the two questions posted above.  This is an opportunity for you to teach us and enlighten us.

Looking forward to reading your insights.

MileHigh

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People like this guy Atom1 make a total mockery of this forum because they are little more than a random number generator that is used to select snippets of tech phrases and string them together into what sounds like a technical discussion.  In reality it's just fake stream-of-tech-consciousness mumbo jumbo talk.

Like I said before, this guy will crank out very verbose nonsense postings until he burns out then disappears.  It's an insult to the people that are sincerely trying to do experiments and to learn something.

And of course I will mention my pal SkyWatcher123 that said this, "Hi emjunkie, are you just now coming to the conclusion that there is a malevolent et/interdimensional presence messing with humanity.  They are a minority though in the universe, so they will not be harassing humanity for ever, thank god.  peace love light"

I will talk tough again and say that he is a little chicken shit and he also never came back to respond and for all I know he is still hiding his head under a pillow somewhere.

SkyWatcher123:  Stop your stupid nonsensical bullshit where you try to impugn the character of others in a ridiculous silly immature drive-by posting.  You are spineless because you are probably reading this and you don't have the guts to come back here and apologize.

Sorry for this posting being somewhat of a diversion, but sometimes people need to be called out for their bad and/or stupid behaviour.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3660 on: June 20, 2015, 07:32:27 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3661 on: June 20, 2015, 10:17:07 PM »
So here is where im at with V3 of the rotary transformer. Adding the bucking coil setup did indeed increase the overall output of the system-both mechanical and electrical. When i say bucking coil,i mean a coil that acts as a magnet that can be switched on and off at the right time. As it is a coil that is being shorted,and thus becomes an electromagnet that pushes against the rotors collapsing field just at the right time. This field also travels around the stator core,and boost the field within the secondary(generating)coil that provides the power for the globe.
So we do have a coil that is bucking both against the rotor's field and also the field of the generating coil.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai7rqm9lAlk
Could you do me a favor and post a hand sketch that shows the measurement connections, and the external circuit (no secrets exposed) with the lamp connected and disconnected?  I don't want you to reveal any details of the motor or the control circuit.  Thanks.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3662 on: June 20, 2015, 10:21:03 PM »
AC,

Surely you see some difference between a circuit such as you describe and someone claiming to have free energy devices.

I have always believed and adhered to the idea that having a truly open mind actually means always being cognizant of the fact that anything you "know" may be wrong.  However, one cannot go thru life without some convictions regarding what is the reality being dealt with at any given point in time, so probabilities must be assigned to everything based upon perceptions or any data presented, both real time and historical.

EMJ claims to have free energy devices.  Based solely upon what he has presented as his "findings", the assigned probability is very low. 

PW
The probability that EMJ has a working free energy device is indiscernible from zero.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3662 on: June 20, 2015, 10:21:03 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3663 on: June 20, 2015, 11:11:34 PM »
Hi Tinman

Yes i think that it could be better to open a new thread concerning your new development on your V3 rotary transformer.

It seems that here the theory battle is at full speed and your work  will probably be lost in the brouhaha.

I have already dismantled an old electric garden blower and taken out the 240 volts AC motor with 2 poles.

The motor works very well with only the brushes connected to 12 volts DC, in pure iron attraction mode. I can light a neon bulb at each stator coils , and light also an incandescent 6 volts bulb on the stator coils and the input amps slightly drops.

Very interesting indeed

Hope this helps

Laurent

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3664 on: June 20, 2015, 11:14:02 PM »
I agree a separate thread would be better.

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3665 on: June 21, 2015, 12:51:54 AM »
I apologize for my rant and I won't do it again.  It's just the BS BS and the demonization BS frustrates me when we are all assuming that we are all fully-grown adults.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3666 on: June 21, 2015, 03:03:54 AM »


Tinman:

I looked at your clip and you are in very similar territory.  You add the light bulb load and the power draw goes down.  All that you have done is change the impedance of the circuit from the vantage point of the battery.  You added the light bulb load, the impedance of the circuit went up, and the current consumption went down.  Under no load your motor was drawing about 23 watts.  That's a lot of watts that are being turned into heat.  When you change the impedance of the circuit there are more than enough watts available to run the motor and light the light bulb.  The exercise to do when you add the light bulb load is to measure the power draw from the battery, and them measure the power dissipation in the various components of the circuit.  Everything will add up and balance so that the power draw from the battery equals the total power dissipated in the various components of the circuit.

Your big "flaw" when you experiment is to almost always jump to the conclusion that your setup is somehow different and "normal rules don't apply."  Nothing could be further from the truth.  In your bearing motor thread you say that somewhere.  It simply does not work like that.  Your setups always act perfectly normally.  The challenge for you is to simply measure properly and understand what is going on.  You can't invent "conventional rules don't apply to my circuit" short-cuts in logic to arrive at what you believe is a satisfactory conclusion.

MileHigh

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Once again you have got it all wrong.
How exactly dose your conclusion explain as to how more power is being dissipated across the globe than what is being delivered to the circuit/motor?. ::)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3667 on: June 21, 2015, 03:21:03 AM »
Tinman:

I don't really know what the circuit is so I can't really comment.  I don't think that I saw any measurements in that clip so I am going to guess that you are keeping that information to yourself.

What I can say with 100% confidence is either you are not making measurements correctly, or you are misunderstanding how the circuit works and the mechanism for the power flow in the circuit.

Now, if I am wrong I will admit that.  If you dig more seriously into the circuit with the help of the expertise of Mark and PW you will find the true explanation for what is going on.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3668 on: June 21, 2015, 03:21:36 AM »
Tinman,

Very interesting!  Why don't you start a thread on this gizmo?  Even if you don't want to reveal the innards, measurements could be discussed.

I have a question regarding the video.  At 3:30 or so, you appear to be running the motor with the gen switched off (no load...) and show a motor current draw of 2.07 amps.  Then later on in the video, at 6:27, it appears your are again running the motor with the gen switched off (no load...) but now the motor appears to only be drawing .222 amps.

Am I seeing this correctly or have I missed something?

PW

 

You mean 2.222 amp's im guessing?. When the light is switched on,the motor bogs down(as can be heard in the video),and the RPM's have decreased. When the light is switched off,the motors current draw go's up,and slowly drops until the motor has once again reached running speed. The 2.07 amp current draw you see at 3.30 is the motor running at full speed(no load),and the current draw of 2.222 you see at 6.27 is the motor picking up speed after the load is disconnected. That current draw will drop back down to the 2.07amps once the motor has once again reached running speed.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3668 on: June 21, 2015, 03:21:36 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3669 on: June 21, 2015, 03:31:59 AM »
Tinman:

I don't really know what the circuit is so I can't really comment.  I don't think that I saw any measurements in that clip so I am going to guess that you are keeping that information to yourself.

What I can say with 100% confidence is either you are not making measurements correctly, or you are misunderstanding how the circuit works and the mechanism for the power flow in the circuit.

Now, if I am wrong I will admit that.  If you dig more seriously into the circuit with the help of the expertise of Mark and PW you will find the true explanation for what is going on.

MileHigh

Well im not sure what video you were watchin MH,but the measurements were shown very clearly in the video. The voltage across both the globe and motor were shown with the scope,and the current through both the globe and motor was shown by the DMM's.
The yellow trace shows voltage across the motor,and the blue trace shows voltage across the globe. The rear amp meter shows current through the motor,and the front DMM shows current through the globe. I am not sure how much clearer it can be shown.

I can also assure you that i know exactly how my device is working,otherwise it wouldnt work at all as it dose. Im not saying that EMJ has a working device based around what he claim's,but i am saying that there is truth in that bucking magnetic fields can do useful work. Also remember that this is a project i have been working on for over 3 years now,so it started long before EMJ started this thread-->the video's are on my YT account.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3670 on: June 21, 2015, 04:11:20 AM »
I will try to find the time tomorrow to look at your clip a second time and take notes.  You are presenting the data, you owe your audience a summary of the results either in the clip itself or when you post the clips.

You know I have this issue with you.  The last time I recall you posting a schematic is was half-assed and incomplete.  Work on presenting your data and your results and your conclusions in a more professional manner.  I am fully aware that if you do a clip and it's a one-shot deal then it may not be so easy to do that during the clip unless you prepare yourself before the clip so that you can include your results and conclusions in the clip itself.  If you don't prepare yourself before you make the clip then there is nothing stopping you from presenting your data, results, and your conclusions in the text of the posting that includes the link to the clip.  This is just a common courtesy for your audience.  Like I told you before, we are not in your "bubble" and "inside you" when you make a clip.  Work on improving your presentations and extend a common professional courtesy to your audience.  That will make things much much clearer.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3671 on: June 21, 2015, 04:13:43 AM »
Well im not sure what video you were watchin MH,but the measurements were shown very clearly in the video. The voltage across both the globe and motor were shown with the scope,and the current through both the globe and motor was shown by the DMM's.
The yellow trace shows voltage across the motor,and the blue trace shows voltage across the globe. The rear amp meter shows current through the motor,and the front DMM shows current through the globe. I am not sure how much clearer it can be shown.

I can also assure you that i know exactly how my device is working,otherwise it wouldnt work at all as it dose. Im not saying that EMJ has a working device based around what he claim's,but i am saying that there is truth in that bucking magnetic fields can do useful work. Also remember that this is a project i have been working on for over 3 years now,so it started long before EMJ started this thread-->the video's are on my YT account.
Tinman, the power that matters is the power that is drawn from the power supply and the power that is applied to the load.  Do you have measurements of: voltage and current from the battery with and without the lamp connected, in addition to the voltage across and the current into the lamp?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3672 on: June 21, 2015, 04:18:49 AM »
You mean 2.222 amp's im guessing?. When the light is switched on,the motor bogs down(as can be heard in the video),and the RPM's have decreased. When the light is switched off,the motors current draw go's up,and slowly drops until the motor has once again reached running speed. The 2.07 amp current draw you see at 3.30 is the motor running at full speed(no load),and the current draw of 2.222 you see at 6.27 is the motor picking up speed after the load is disconnected. That current draw will drop back down to the 2.07amps once the motor has once again reached running speed.

Yeah, like I said, 2.222 amps.

Cleaned the glasses and had another look...

PW

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3673 on: June 21, 2015, 04:48:07 AM »
Could you do me a favor and post a hand sketch that shows the measurement connections, and the external circuit (no secrets exposed) with the lamp connected and disconnected?  I don't want you to reveal any details of the motor or the control circuit.  Thanks.

Below is the schematic you asked for. There are parts left out. They are not electrical as such,but are vital to the operation and performance of the device.The schematic below shows all electrical connections and test measurement points. There are no ground loops or any other type of something going on here,as it operates just the same with the scope disconnected.

Im not going to open another thread,as it will just be a thread without information to the workings of the device-->and what good is that. MH asked to see what i have,and MarkE said that would be fine to place here-->so here it is. As i am using the bucking coil effect(although in a mechanical situation),i see no reason why things just can stay right here on this thread,as i really dont have much more to show-->other than the base model i am willing to share-->the building blocks of which the device is made from. People will just have to use there own brains,and put the missing pieces in place.

I have spent many hours last night looking at all the information available on the mystical lockridge device. And as much as i hate to say it,it looks like that is !almost! exactly what i have built,although i cant find exact plan's as to how the lockridge device is built,but more so what others in other places have been basing there builds around. I think they are missing a vital component though.

Most say that if you stretch or compress a spring ,when you release it,you only get back as much energy as you used to stretch or compress it in the first place. I dont think they take into account the concussive wave created around that spring when released. With magnetic fields you get two things happen which act much the same as that spring. You get electrical forces along with mechanical forces,and both these forces create concussive waves. In this situation(the RT) you use a primary electrical force to create a secondary electrical force,and that very same primary electrical force is also creating a mechanical force at the same time. The secondary electrical force also add to the mechanical force,and the mechanical force generates/adds to the secondary electrical force-->this is the concussive force.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3674 on: June 21, 2015, 04:56:31 AM »
Yeah, like I said, 2.222 amps.

Cleaned the glasses and had another look...

PW
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Your post says .222 amps,not 2.222 amps lol.
That is what had me confused.

 

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