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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3615 on: June 19, 2015, 02:34:54 PM »
And there is the "happy surprise" that may happen sometime over the next.... who knows, say 10 to 50 years from now.

It will be the economics happy surprise.  I was encouraged in reading the article on Revolution Green about southern Australia shutting down the remaining coil-fired power plants and transitioning over to the usual wind/solar/thermal, etc.  The article seemed to be stating that the economics were favourable.

Now, look at the example of the switch over to digital HDTV.  Let's say in 2003 people were just starting to buy HDTVs in volume.  By 2009 old fashioned NTSC/PAL CRT TVs were basically gone like the Dodo bird and nearly every singe home had a new HDTV.

It's almost like a flip-flop flipping or a transistor-based bistable multivibrator flipping.  There is a "snap" effect, a positive feedback loop that makes faster become faster become faster.

It may be something like this:  In say 2022, renewables will supply say 15% of our energy.   But then in just five years, with new and better energy technologies, by 2027 renewablles will supply 95% of our energy.  There will be a positive feedback loop and a "snap" effect and before you know it coal and oil and gas-fired power plants will be like the Dodo bird.

That is the magic of Capitalism.  Once a new formula works, there is a "boom effect" and almost "overnight" everything changes, the "snap."  There is a mass market shift and either you jump on the new bandwagon or you sink.

Remember when a Pentium 4 was the top of the line computer for several years?  There must have been literally hundreds of millions of Pentium 4 computer boxes built and sold.  And now, probably the vast majority of them are gone gone gone and replaced with better technology.  Capitalism is like a life force itself.

So my moaning and groaning about "partnered output coils" is just for the hell of it really.  The future looks good.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3616 on: June 19, 2015, 03:50:09 PM »
To all following.

Just a little more data: SEE Attached PDF

On Google: http://www.google.com.au/patents/US1702771

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Offline MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3617 on: June 19, 2015, 04:09:54 PM »
One will notice that the coils are wired in series and not to buck.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3618 on: June 19, 2015, 04:28:19 PM »
One will notice that the coils are wired in series and not to buck.

Once again your assumptions let you down! Look at his objective!

Read the patent MarkE!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3619 on: June 19, 2015, 05:59:53 PM »
Once again your assumptions let you down! Look at his objective!

Read the patent MarkE!

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Perhaps it is you that should read the patent...

MarkE is correct.  The patent discusses coils that are wound and connected in such a manner as to reduce inter-winding capacitance.  The patent does not discuss connecting secondaries in a manner that would cause them to buck the voltage produced.

In the related patent image posted above, only if the two middle leads of the secondary windings were connected together, would the coils buck as you would have us believe.  As drawn, the secondaries do not buck, but the effective capacitance between pri and sec is reduced (i.e., partially canceled).

Also, the use of the word 'amplifying" to describe the transformer action discussed in the patent is a bit misleading at best.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3620 on: June 19, 2015, 06:07:44 PM »
EMJ,

A few pages back, member "Magnethos" posted this link to a youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH7s3IMTtE

What would you estimate (or guesstimate) the amount of power flowing to be in just the single loop of heavy wire when the current flow indicated in that loop is 80 amps?

(Let's assume that the wire loop is made of 2-0 copper with a 2 foot circumference)

PW

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3621 on: June 19, 2015, 07:11:50 PM »
Once again your assumptions let you down! Look at his objective!

Read the patent MarkE!

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The patent states its intention right off the bat:  Reduce interwinding capacitance.  "The object of this invention is to reduce the capacitive effects in transformers adapted to be used for ampliying high or low frequency alternating currents. ... Figure 2 shows a circuit arrangement in which the secondary is divided into two secitons.  The mutual capacity of the turns is diagrammatically represented int he figure by dotted condensers.  The electromotive forces produced by the capacitiave coupling are indicated by dotted arrows.  If now the entire seconary is traversed from the terminal A t the termanl B the said capacitive forces are found to neutralize each other so that production of a potential difference between the terminals A-B is prevented by CAPACITIVE transmission. ... The same curvilinear or ortary directio of the two sections results in an induced magnetic flux having the same polarity in each section.  ... On the other hand, the capacitive fluxes opposite polarity, ..."

The windings are as I told you wired in series.  Figure 1 shows a secondary that is not split, and Figure 2 shows a split secondary.  You really ought to try harder to understand your own references.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3622 on: June 19, 2015, 08:41:46 PM »
EMJ,

A few pages back, member "Magnethos" posted this link to a youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH7s3IMTtE

What would you estimate (or guesstimate) the amount of power flowing to be in just the single loop of heavy wire when the current flow indicated in that loop is 80 amps?

(Let's assume that the wire loop is made of 2-0 copper with a 2 foot circumference)

PW
Lets make it a meter loop(1 meter of wire in a loop) ,so as it makes things easier to calculate.
1m of 2 gauge copper rod(cant really call it wire at that gauge) has a resistance of .000513ohms. As it is in a loop,the resistance would be 1/4 of this,which would be .000128 ohms.or .128 milliohms. So we would have about 820mW of power flowing through the rod/wire at 80 amps.

Now let me ask you this PW.
If the copper rod/wire was replaced with steel rod/wire of the same size,would the current flowing through the loop still be the same?.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3623 on: June 19, 2015, 10:02:15 PM »
I've been reading part of this thread. I posted that video because I found it very interesting. As you know, in the Barbosa-Leal system, there is also a high amperage in the closed wire that is wound in the toroid core. So the video link I posted is also the same effect but replacing the toroid core with a microwave oven transformer.

In other thread http://overunity.com/15820/extracting-energy-from-a-vector-potential/msg453172/#new
I suggested to use 'Rogowski coils' to extract energy from that closed loop.

Speaking with other user from this forum, he said me that in the video-link a poland guy posted a comment (see picture Ismael342-comments below). I don't fully understand what the polish guy exactly means, but I think I understan him partially.

Well, I've had the idea of using a 'differentiator'. I've invented that word, but I mean to use a special kind of transformer (inverter) to convert single wire energy (like we've in the closed loop wire), to 2 wire energy. Instead using the Avramenko plug, there is another solution: Michael Bank inverter. See second picture attachment.

The polish guy exactly says: "special binary system WITH TWO TRANSFORMERS".
The only thing I know as special binary system with two transformers is the Michael Bank system.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3624 on: June 19, 2015, 10:14:31 PM »
You've to think that the single wire is exactly the same as a closed wire, because in both cases there is only 1 wire. The only difference is that in one case the wire is straight and in the other case the wire is closed in a loop, circular fashion. But they're both one wire.

I think that in the closed loop there is what Michael Bank calls 'equipotential currents' that must be decombined using the Bank's inverter to get 2 wires energy (classic energy).

To obtain 2 wires energy from 1 wire energy it's needed 2 transformers. The comment in youtube from the polish guy also talks about using 2 transformers. Can be him refering to a similar (or even the same) system as Bank?

Screenshot - 02238.jpg is from the author Michael Bank.
Page 9 of his last powerpoint presentation at this date.

Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3625 on: June 20, 2015, 12:06:30 AM »
Perhaps it is you that should read the patent...

MarkE is correct.  The patent discusses coils that are wound and connected in such a manner as to reduce inter-winding capacitance.  The patent does not discuss connecting secondaries in a manner that would cause them to buck the voltage produced.

In the related patent image posted above, only if the two middle leads of the secondary windings were connected together, would the coils buck as you would have us believe.  As drawn, the secondaries do not buck, but the effective capacitance between pri and sec is reduced (i.e., partially canceled).

Also, the use of the word 'amplifying" to describe the transformer action discussed in the patent is a bit misleading at best.

PW - Youre never going to understand!

I have to just shake my head and feel sorry for your pitiful Nincom Poop Non-Sense!!!

What you think of as Bucking and what these Coils actually does is only clear if one has been paying attention and not Assumed and guessed at their own conclusions!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3626 on: June 20, 2015, 12:11:22 AM »
EMJ,

A few pages back, member "Magnethos" posted this link to a youtube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDH7s3IMTtE

What would you estimate (or guesstimate) the amount of power flowing to be in just the single loop of heavy wire when the current flow indicated in that loop is 80 amps?

(Let's assume that the wire loop is made of 2-0 copper with a 2 foot circumference)

PW

PW - I used to regard you as a smart person, skilled and respectable, you're proving to be quite the opposite!

Are you capable of looking at anything with a fresh, clear mind? Looking for possibilities all without jumping to wild conclusions like MarkE does! MarkE is an Idiot! Maybe you should try less to be one!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3627 on: June 20, 2015, 12:21:21 AM »
The patent states its intention right off the bat:  Reduce interwinding capacitance.  "The object of this invention is to reduce the capacitive effects in transformers adapted to be used for ampliying high or low frequency alternating currents. ... Figure 2 shows a circuit arrangement in which the secondary is divided into two secitons.  The mutual capacity of the turns is diagrammatically represented int he figure by dotted condensers.  The electromotive forces produced by the capacitiave coupling are indicated by dotted arrows.  If now the entire seconary is traversed from the terminal A t the termanl B the said capacitive forces are found to neutralize each other so that production of a potential difference between the terminals A-B is prevented by CAPACITIVE transmission. ... The same curvilinear or ortary directio of the two sections results in an induced magnetic flux having the same polarity in each section.  ... On the other hand, the capacitive fluxes opposite polarity, ..."

The windings are as I told you wired in series.  Figure 1 shows a secondary that is not split, and Figure 2 shows a split secondary.  You really ought to try harder to understand your own references.




MarkE - Because you're an Idiot, and make wild ASSUMPTIONS that clearly suit your preconceived ideas, which proves you to be nothing more than a Blabbering GOON, I will spell this out for you:




To all following.

Just a little more data: SEE Attached PDF

On Google: http://www.google.com.au/patents/US1702771

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WHERE have I said that this was Bucking Coils?


CLEARLY, the Objective, as I stated:

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The object of this invention is to reduce the capacitive effects in transformers adapted to be used for amplifying high or low frequency alternating currents.


Is NOT BUCKING COILS, but because you have ASSUMED THIS, proves that you're an IDIOT!



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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3628 on: June 20, 2015, 01:02:47 AM »
LOL, I think that Chris saw what appeared to be a bucking configuration at first glance and he saw the word "amplifying" and thought that he found an old patent to backup his nonsensical proposition.

Now he is back pedalling and calling two of the most brilliant people on this forum idiots.

It's quite a spectacle!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3629 on: June 20, 2015, 01:30:05 AM »
LOL, I think that Chris saw what appeared to be a bucking configuration at first glance and he saw the word "amplifying" and thought that he found an old patent to backup his nonsensical proposition.

Now he is back pedalling and calling two of the most brilliant people on this forum idiots.

It's quite a spectacle!

MileHigh - The only spectacle around here is you - Seems you've been the target of quite a round of negative Posts!

How about you Un-Invite yourself and go back to investigating your theoretical Paper Bag. No one likes your constant Idiocy's!

OMG you're an Idiot! Even I am embarrassed to have you here! I bet you feel even worse!

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