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Offline MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3525 on: June 14, 2015, 05:18:42 AM »
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Neither have invisible unicorn sacrifices been considered.  There is absolutely no new information that EMJ has brought to the table:  NONE.
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Seems that information to you and for some minority is irrelevant . Did you try think if other persons think the same about that  ?
Seems not .
If you have information to bring to the table then please do so.  So far you have not and neither has EMJ.
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It is a fool's errand.  Good luck to you because TINSTAAFL rules.

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Who talk about input nothing and output something ? ...?  Me ? Chris ?  It will depend how you and some of other guys will continue manipulate this conversation .
Apparently you do not understaand TINSTAAFL.
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There are lots of ways to improve efficiency of various devices.  There are lots of ways to harvest energy available around us.

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And is not what we want to improve ?
Did you know all possibles improvements  that can make possible to harvest energy ? You are the man . really! because i don't no , and think the most viewers of this forum.
Which gets you where with respect to EMJ's refuted claims?
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I have facts and evidence that support my position.  EMJ does not.
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 You have your facts face at your knowledge , or based in a simulation in a simulator circuit  or by the feedback of someone ? Did you test personally ?
I don't need to, the conventional view has been upheld in all reliable tests.  It is up to the challenger to present contrary evidence.  EMJ has not done so.
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I know the answer . You simple don't need test because you already know , all the behaviors of this type of circuit . cool for you
Yes, cool for me.  Now how about you ante up with more than empty rhetoric?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3525 on: June 14, 2015, 05:18:42 AM »

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3526 on: June 14, 2015, 12:26:37 PM »
Different from what?

What, exactly, is your scope capture supposed to be demonstrating?

PW

Absolutely nothing to show or supposed to demonstrate nothing :) is a simple scope capture  of the tank oscillation of my circuit of
"partner coils" circuit. The difference is that scope shot is circuit running with only 27 milliwatts  , and is a response to Mark about ever results can be different.
I didn't use amplificator, signal generator  or sine wave signal. If you see very close the wave (is only one channel) seems at some "freq" another wave intercept the main wave .

What, exactly, is your scope capture supposed to be demonstrating?
All the results can vary it will depend many factors so is not so simple make comparison .

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3527 on: June 14, 2015, 12:53:35 PM »
Hi Milehigh,
You are a persistent guy :)  and i like , because a persistent guy too.
At the moment i consider that i waste so much time try discuss nothing , because we are simple stopped in much personal and divided  opinions.
As i say for me is important ear the work of other people , to improve too.
You and some ppl dont see anything in this topic that can be relevant , or a improve , ok . the results of everybody are different too.
Chris say that is possible design cop 1.7 circuits with "partned coils" and simple share experiences to everybody.
For me the most important is make "work" with the more economical way.
But seems is not important because as Mark said It is already known today and since there are many ways of doing this.

It seems that what is at issue here is the judgment of someone.
But is not important at this moment .

Thanks



 

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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3528 on: June 14, 2015, 12:59:48 PM »
If you have information to bring to the table then please do so.  So far you have not and neither has EMJ.Apparently you do not understaand TINSTAAFL.Which gets you where with respect to EMJ's refuted claims?I don't need to, the conventional view has been upheld in all reliable tests.  It is up to the challenger to present contrary evidence.  EMJ has not done so.Yes, cool for me.  Now how about you ante up with more than empty rhetoric?

Hi Mark ,
You are fine man ?
You think I'm going to play your game?
I do not like games, are wasting my time is precious.
And as this is the cat and mouse game, it's a waste of time for me, for everyone, and moreover I am generous.
I leave up to you to play alone.

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« Reply #3529 on: June 14, 2015, 01:01:11 PM »
What happened to simplicity ?????

So as I am trying to grasp a so called simplicity there is 3 fields A E H with H as the one that will cancel out one or both of the other 2 That is simple I can get my brain into all 3 hahah .... But These A and E fields or positive and negative have some dielectric constant to them caused buy the moment of the creation of there atoms from super nova ect ...... This moment of creation sets up the hidden vectors and to tap into them bingo free atomic dielectric energy ....

That's simple ! But the complexity is when you try and make one ! These fields change there dielectric free energy vector from the way we wound the wire and how we set up the coupling charge . So The dielectric constant we want to tap into has a G spot hahahahahah

Ok ! The harmonics of strings ! They all have g spots hahah at the 5th 7th 12th note in there scale ! So am I right in presuming that if you find the natural resonate frequency one can than find where the harmonics are on the coil ????????? Hit it and send it into a feed back circuit amp but instead of a speaker as a load we use a light bulb ...

Photon emission is liberated at a lower energy level due to the high hz of the new harmonic standing wave function super imposed onto the coil..... I do this with my electric guitar sometimes I use a wooden box instead of an amp ... So wood will be the lowest of the harmonic boundaries to located along the periodic path of elements.... All the rest up to all the metals need fine tuning ! I can work out a complete harmonic foot  print for the elements and use the numbers of free electrons to calculated harmonic response along any coil ...

But due to harmonic response of all dielectric boundaries inter phasing will be difficult due to that all mass is dielectrically entangled so it would need some rather strange box to isolate them all in ... Take them out of the box and the results will be different depending on the harmonics the dielectric of the conductor interact with prior to a new standing harmonic is set up on the coils ....................................

Any standard formula of this kind is not available due to these interactions of dielectric harmonic vector velocities so you need a box to find them all in ......... The box its self has its own set of harmonics so it will need to be a special shape that is coherent to the H vector as to block all on wanted interference as to finally set the standard formula for all elements in the periodic table................................

I just need a little help With the H vector ???????????? Is it a modal scale monopole dielectric ???????? I have a monopole coil hahahah

I think I might be good at this hahahahahahahahahahahah ????????????????

Taking into account the expansion of space and time I fill very confident to locate all of them starting with negative hydrogen ! THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT AS ITS THE STARTING POINT.........

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3530 on: June 14, 2015, 04:48:45 PM »
Hi Milehigh,
You are a persistent guy :)  and i like , because a persistent guy too.
At the moment i consider that i waste so much time try discuss nothing , because we are simple stopped in much personal and divided  opinions.
As i say for me is important ear the work of other people , to improve too.
You and some ppl dont see anything in this topic that can be relevant , or a improve , ok . the results of everybody are different too.
Chris say that is possible design cop 1.7 circuits with "partned coils" and simple share experiences to everybody.
For me the most important is make "work" with the more economical way.
But seems is not important because as Mark said It is already known today and since there are many ways of doing this.

It seems that what is at issue here is the judgment of someone.
But is not important at this moment .

Thanks
 

Here is the real story behind this foolishness:

You can go to an electronics store and buy a small standard transformer.   The small standard transformer will outperform the "partnered output coils" transformer every single time.   The standard transformer will be more efficient and have less losses to waste heat.

And that's it:  An ordinary transformer will outperform a nonsensical "partnered output cols" transformer.

This entire thread is complete nonsense.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3531 on: June 14, 2015, 05:25:03 PM »
Here is the real story behind this foolishness:

You can go to an electronics store and buy a small standard transformer.   The small standard transformer will outperform the "partnered output coils" transformer every single time.   The standard transformer will be more efficient and have less losses to waste heat.

And that's it:  An ordinary transformer will outperform a nonsensical "partnered output cols" transformer.

This entire thread is complete nonsense.

I respect your opinion but do not agree.
Completely refute your idea and will not even try to argue my reasons.
Some readers share the same opinion too.
no one is here to promote the idea that it is possible to be obtained something from nothing and clear that it is not possible!
Or this will be the idea that tries to pass in this subject or any other.
Do you understand this?
And please do not answer me that Chris said this or that.
No longer even I have more patience for this ping pong ideas.
If you think really there is nothing worthwhile in this ok theme. Message understood.
Do you have any ulterior motive in trying to prove the opposite of what is the subject?
I think not, only you defend your ideas.
I'll tell you a little curiosity.
This can sometimes be comical and curious.
People who currently provide me conditions to work on these "topics" with material and equipments  has forbidden me to share videos on my work for fear it was a disadvantage for them. However I argued that wanted to continue to share my videos purely for personal reasons and they would not have to worry because what I shared was seen as a "stupid" and a waste of time for those who hypothetically could have some advantage because their great electronic skills.
Is so ironic . Life can be full of surprises just around the corner ...

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3532 on: June 14, 2015, 06:49:56 PM »
Do you have any information that states or speculates that there could be something special about "partnered output coils?"

If you have something to say, then please go ahead and and say it.  This is a place for the free exchange of ideas.

On the other hand, if you have nothing to say. then why are you here?  (You see, I can play that game also.)  Really, what is your purpose here and what are you trying to do in terms of your technical interests?

This statement by you, "Do you have any ulterior motive in trying to prove the opposite of what is the subject?" is offensive.

Why is it offensive?

The reason it is offensive is because we are here to debate.  A debate can be a discussion with two or three or more people, many of them having different views on an issue.  That is freedom and it's very important.

How important is it??

It's 1000 times more important than your irritation that people can state the opposite of what the thread is trying to promote.   Sometimes threads promote lies and junk and anybody is free to state their opinions or share their logic and/or data as long as they try to be respectful and reasonable.

Here is what you have to understand clearly:  If you start a thread promoting "new idea A" then contributors to the thread can disagree with "new idea A" if they want to.  In fact, they can say "new idea A" is 100% junk if they want to and they can back up their statements with logic and/or data or experimental data.

So please, stop with the "It's so terrible that you can start a thread and Oh My God! people may actually disagree with what I have to say."  Having disagreements is part of a healthy debate and nobody should try to stop this.

Now, going back to the "partnered output coils" the actual fact is that they do nothing special and they are inferior to standard transformers.  This is the actual reality.

Are you playing with "partnered output cols" on your bench?   I have a challenge for you:  Go buy a small standard transformer and when you make measurements on the "partnered output coils" then also make the same measurements on the small standard transformer.

You will find that the small standard transformer will outperform the "partnered output coils" every single time.

This is where you will get some wisdom:  Make "A-B" comparison tests on your bench so you can compare your two sets of data.

You will discover that the "partnered output coils" are nonsense for yourself.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3533 on: June 14, 2015, 06:51:13 PM »
Hi Mark ,
You are fine man ?
You think I'm going to play your game?
I do not like games, are wasting my time is precious.
And as this is the cat and mouse game, it's a waste of time for me, for everyone, and moreover I am generous.
I leave up to you to play alone.
LOL, it is you who are playing games.  The simple facts have been explained many times and have not been refuted:  EMJ proposes that wiring coils in a bucking configuration delivers free energy.  They don't.  End of story.  You bring lots of words but no data to refute the fact that bucking coils don't yield excess energy.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3534 on: June 14, 2015, 07:15:54 PM »
Do you have any information that states or speculates that there could be something special about "partnered output coils?"

If you have something to say, then please go ahead and and say it.  This is a place for the free exchange of ideas.

On the other hand, if you have nothing to say. then why are you here?  (You see, I can play that game also.)  Really, what is your purpose here and what are you trying to do in terms of your technical interests?

This statement by you, "Do you have any ulterior motive in trying to prove the opposite of what is the subject?" is offensive.

Why is it offensive?

The reason it is offensive is because we are here to debate.  A debate can be a discussion with two or three or more people, many of them having different views on an issue.  That is freedom and it's very important.

How important is it??

It's 1000 times more important than your irritation that people can state the opposite of what the thread is trying to promote.   Sometimes threads promote lies and junk and anybody is free to state their opinions or share their logic and/or data as long as they try to be respectful and reasonable.

Here is what you have to understand clearly:  If you start a thread promoting "new idea A" then contributors to the thread can disagree with "new idea A" if they want to.  In fact, they can say "new idea A" is 100% junk if they want to and they can back up their statements with logic and/or data or experimental data.

So please, stop with the "It's so terrible that you can start a thread and Oh My God! people may actually disagree with what I have to say."  Having disagreements is part of a healthy debate and nobody should try to stop this.

Now, going back to the "partnered output coils" the actual fact is that they do nothing special and they are inferior to standard transformers.  This is reality?

Are you playing with "partnered output cols" on your bench?   I have a challenge for you:  Go buy a small standard transformer and when you make measurements on the "partnered output coils" then also make the same measurements on the small standard transformer.

You will find that the small standard transformer will outperform the "partnered output coils" every single time.

This is where you will get some wisdom:  Make "A-B" comparison tests on your bench so you can compare your two sets of data.

You will discover that the "partnered output coils" are nonsense for yourself.

First of all, it gave me the feeling that someone is angry are you.
You like to walk up the topics distributing your "certainties" knowledge and sometimes even unnecessary arrogance.
You must have the idea that you are the law or authority. You are so "blind" sometimes  that even of you even care of your behavior with persons in other posts.

Do you have a challenge for me? No reason to take me to consider your challenge.
You do not have nothing that interests me in your speech or at work or
what ever you've shown.
 Probably accept, if you had something interesting to me really, but you do not have.
Faced with this fear that our conversation is properly completed and clarified.

I wish you good luck

Bye

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« Reply #3535 on: June 14, 2015, 07:35:02 PM »
LOL, it is you who are playing games.  The simple facts have been explained many times and have not been refuted:  EMJ proposes that wiring coils in a bucking configuration delivers free energy.  They don't.  End of story.  You bring lots of words but no data to refute the fact that bucking coils don't yield excess energy.

Hi Mark ,
Why do you think I have to provide whatever is or justify what is?
to Deserve your approval? lol

I do not work for warm ... figuratively.
 
Did the bucking configuration delivers free energy ??????!!!??  or make possible make more "work" because improve their  coefficient of performance or COP is improved ?
 Are we input nothing to output something ? 

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« Reply #3536 on: June 14, 2015, 09:58:53 PM »
Hi Mark ,
Why do you think I have to provide whatever is or justify what is?
to Deserve your approval? lol

I do not work for warm ... figuratively.
If you wish to make an extraordinary claim then the burden is upon you to provide reliable evidence that supports the claim or see your claim rightfully dismissed.  It's entirely your choice.
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Did the bucking configuration delivers free energy ??????!!!??  or make possible make more "work" because improve their  coefficient of performance or COP is improved ?
 Are we input nothing to output something ? 
If you think that bucking improves efficiency under some circumstance you are welcome to identify such a circumstance and offer evidence that you are correct.
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« Reply #3537 on: June 15, 2015, 12:05:25 AM »
First of all, it gave me the feeling that someone is angry are you.
You like to walk up the topics distributing your "certainties" knowledge and sometimes even unnecessary arrogance.
You must have the idea that you are the law or authority. You are so "blind" sometimes  that even of you even care of your behavior with persons in other posts.

Do you have a challenge for me? No reason to take me to consider your challenge.
You do not have nothing that interests me in your speech or at work or
what ever you've shown.
 Probably accept, if you had something interesting to me really, but you do not have.
Faced with this fear that our conversation is properly completed and clarified.

I wish you good luck

Bye

Nelson, I would say to you that you are the person with anger issues because you object to reading opinions from people that are different from yours.

I am damn well certain that "partnered output coils" are nonsensical junk and they will never perform as well as an ordinary transformer.   So why do I say this?   The answer is SIMPLE - there is more secondary wire in a "partnered output coil" and therefore more resistance and more losses.  You do not have to be a super smart genius to realize this.  A 12-year-old child that reads a science book can understand this also.  There is NO MAGIC "hiding and waiting to be discovered" with "partnered output coils."  That's just a silly fantasy.  If you disagree then prove me wrong.

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Do you have a challenge for me? No reason to take me to consider your challenge.

Really?  I am suggesting a very simple experiment for you to compare two transformers and you refuse?  So you don't want to learn something for yourself?  We call that "wilful ignorance."  Is it because you actively and wilfully do not want to learn something for yourself because it may stop your fantasies about "partnered output cols?"  If you do that you are just blinding yourself.

You can't live life with a bunch of electronics fantasies in your mind.  You need to learn and accept reality.  To understand the reality you need to open up some legitimate books about electronics and do some experiments for yourself.

Don't be afraid of testing the normal transformer.  It's not going to hurt you.

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« Reply #3538 on: June 15, 2015, 12:54:59 AM »
Nelson, I would say to you that you are the person with anger issues because you object to reading opinions from people that are different from yours.

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So you can not be serious ...These even serious?  lol

I am damn well certain that "partnered output coils" are nonsensical junk and they will never perform as well as an ordinary transformer.   So why do I say this?   The answer is SIMPLE - there is more secondary wire in a "partnered output coil" and therefore more resistance and more losses.  You do not have to be a super smart genius to realize this.  A 12-year-old child that reads a science book can understand this also.  There is NO MAGIC "hiding and waiting to be discovered" with "partnered output coils."  That's just a silly fantasy.  If you disagree then prove me wrong.

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You disagree and it's ok. about i have to prove you , answer me :
Why?
Give me just one single reason that makes me forget how smug you are.


Really?  I am suggesting a very simple experiment for you to compare two transformers and you refuse?  So you don't want to learn something for yourself?  We call that "wilful ignorance."  Is it because you actively and wilfully do not want to learn something for yourself because it may stop your fantasies about "partnered output cols?"  If you do that you are just blinding yourself.

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What makes you think I do not understand or have never auditioned you refer to the conventional transformer?
Would have to agree with you so that everything was ok, and say that really the setting "partned coils" features more of the losses that the settings of conventional coils, heating more, blaa bla bla.
But that's not what I watch and certainly others as well.

You can't live life with a bunch of electronics fantasies in your mind.  You need to learn and accept reality.  To understand the reality you need to open up some legitimate books about electronics and do some experiments for yourself.

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What reality you talk MileHigh ?  the reality of laws of yesterday of today or tomorrow?
The laws were made by men who also make mistakes even when good purpose.
What do you think about how Maxell treated the laws on current displacement? Open circuits? They are satisfactory the theory he presented?
 Are these laws formulated in the same way, whether they were currently formulated in present time ?
What I mean is that there are no absolute truths in the good sense of the word.

Don't be afraid of testing the normal transformer.  It's not going to hurt you.
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There are you in play again. :)
There are you in play again. :)
You and your sense of humor;)


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3539 on: June 15, 2015, 01:01:21 AM »
If you see very close the wave (is only one channel) seems at some "freq" another wave intercept the main wave .


You are misinterpreting what your scope is telling you.  There is one, and only one, continuous sine wave.

The DC/zero crossing level of the sine wave changed between two subsequent sweeps so that the displayed sine waves captured on those two sweeps do not overlay one another (the sine wave from one sweep is displayed above or below the sine wave from the previous sweep).

Slow down your sweep rate considerably so that you can see this modulation of the DC level upon which your sine wave is riding.

PW

 

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