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Offline MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3510 on: June 13, 2015, 02:42:24 PM »
To some people think :

Tesla design is flat spiral coil as secondary that allow create the asymmetry for magnetic
fluxes from primary coil to secondary and from secondary coil to primary. In
strength of this asymmetry the "reply" from secondary coil when load is
connected and secondary field produced is not equal to primary field.

A square wave signal is used ,these short pulses only "push" in resonance the electrons of wire of
coil and produce normal sine-wave of the frequency of resonance.

Also power in load is taking from extra-coil that is placed in open
wire but not in closed circuit.
Please learn the meaning of the term reciprocity.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3510 on: June 13, 2015, 02:42:24 PM »

Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3511 on: June 13, 2015, 02:56:54 PM »
They will not rest :) need this "war" as the air they breathe.
It seems that some people like the baby food ready!
What is the difficulty in reading the previous posts, or view posted videos to learn about partned coils?
They're just worried about fucking the topic because they entered erm collision course with Chris.
I did not see a single relevant question for those who continue the circus.
Bllala blallala whiskas. nothing more.
The problem is that if people do not do things like the "crew" want,
It is a target to hit. Because they lose so much time on this topic....?
It's just for fun?
For they think they are having a positive contribution forget. Not in this topic.
Some of these people take the trouble to create different accounts so to unload their frustrations through ignoble comment. this yes
yes it is worrying.
Who has done more?
Who is more intelligent and intellectual?
Who is the most insightful?
This is some talent contest "hidden"?

Who opened the cage door rare birds?
Let fly away from here so that they can shit elsewhere

Nelson:

Who needs a bloody war?

You seem to have a lot to say so I will ask you the following question:

What does Chris' circuit do?

MileHigh

Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3512 on: June 13, 2015, 03:50:15 PM »
Nelson:

Who needs a bloody war?

You seem to have a lot to say so I will ask you the following question:

What does Chris' circuit do?

MileHigh
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Here the important thing is not what the circuit is Chris,
but the technology involved. He has shared some of their tests for those who wanted to see, moreover in my view any information provided by Chris at least for me is relevant.
  They are creating an iron arm that makes no sense.   
Of course, you and others have shown your point of view which strongly take up against this idea. However it seems to me that at this point even if there were "evidence" credible, some people reject the same way because it seems to me that this has descended into the personal plan.
Too bad everyone loses

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3513 on: June 13, 2015, 04:02:22 PM »
´

Here the important thing is not what the circuit is Chris,
but the technology involved. He has shared some of their tests for those who wanted to see, moreover in my view any information provided by Chris at least for me is relevant.
  They are creating an iron arm that makes no sense.   
Of course, you and others have shown your point of view which strongly take up against this idea. However it seems to me that at this point even if there were "evidence" credible, some people reject the same way because it seems to me that this has descended into the personal plan.
Too bad everyone loses

Okay, so from your feedback I am going to add some more questions for your consideration:

1.  What is the technology involved?

2.  What do you mean when you say, "They are creating an iron arm that makes no sense" because I don't understand that.

3.  You say, "... your point of view which strongly take up against this idea."  What idea are you talking about?

4.  You say, "... it seems to me that at this point even if there were "evidence" credible."   What potential evidence are you talking about?

5.  What does Chris' circuit do?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3514 on: June 13, 2015, 04:19:53 PM »
Please learn the meaning of the term reciprocity.

I do not know exactly where you want to come, but do not make me a fool.
Puts you in your place, you know what I mean?
If you want to talk about reciprocity, the letter, what happened this the beginning of the topic has nothing to do with reciprocity, someone trying to share something willingly, with the purpose to help, and we are currently in these terms, the egos of dispute, something I have no interest in participating.
I wish I could ask friendly way if someone who is currently tested this topic or not the circuit "partned coils"?
How Many? I Want to ear ..... The problem even When such a test is so easy to the, is more easy to refute the idea.
Where is the difficulty in testing the circuit? So many "experts" in electronic circuits and do not see anything (except Tinman at least tried) or trie to replicate to see the result with their own eyes even is not good .
What are the excuses?
No time to waste on things that make no sense conventional laws?
AHH but I am here to give predictions like we see in posts are much better it seems.
My IQ may not be the best (121) but never underestimate who you speak at other side.
Don't feel so superior , the arrogance is the enemy of the way to universal wisdom.

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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3515 on: June 13, 2015, 04:37:05 PM »


1.  What is the technology involved?
 Partned coils is the main name of topic.


2.  What do you mean when you say, "They are creating an iron arm that makes no sense" because I don't understand that.
I'm talk about about the opinions involved in that subject.

3.  You say, "... your point of view which strongly take up against this idea."  What idea are you talking about?
 I'm talk about you not believe in that technology  and i understand and respect .
4.  You say, "... it seems to me that at this point even if there were "evidence" credible."   What potential evidence are you talking about?
I put i hypothetic scenario where EVEN EVEN EVEN we have some demonstration of a good result ,  in this stage it will simple not convince you. But also because anyone would be interested in trying to prove something to you or anyone ?

5.  What does Chris' circuit do?
Man don't be so repetitive , Chris put on the start of topic all about their results and how to test .
But tell me one thing.
What would be the scenario that you understand that is correct for you had a sign that awakens you to your curiosity about this subject?
Can you answer me ?

 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3516 on: June 13, 2015, 06:13:00 PM »
I do not know exactly where you want to come, but do not make me a fool.
Puts you in your place, you know what I mean?
If you want to talk about reciprocity, the letter, what happened this the beginning of the topic has nothing to do with reciprocity, someone trying to share something willingly, with the purpose to help, and we are currently in these terms, the egos of dispute, something I have no interest in participating.
I am talking about reciprocity in physics.  It prohibits the asymmetry that you assert.
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I wish I could ask friendly way if someone who is currently tested this topic or not the circuit "partned coils"?
It has been tested millions of times.  The proper name is bucking coils.  When mains transfomers powered consumer products, transformers designed for worldwide power application used windings that could be connected to buck voltage in 10V or 20V steps.  EMJ's claims are simply false.  He has demonstrated that in his "research" he has relied upon improper measurement methods.  Garbage In => Garbage Out:  GIGO.  He has not shown any data that supports his claims of obtaining excess energy by connecting coils in a bucking configuration.
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How Many? I Want to ear ..... The problem even When such a test is so easy to the, is more easy to refute the idea.
Both TK and Itsu reproduced the set-up that EMJ described.  Using proper measuement methods they obtained conventionally predicted results and not those claimed by EMJ.
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Where is the difficulty in testing the circuit? So many "experts" in electronic circuits and do not see anything (except Tinman at least tried) or trie to replicate to see the result with their own eyes even is not good .
There isn't.  It was tested.  And it doesn't do anything special.
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What are the excuses?
You apparently have not read the entire thread, which at 240 pages is understandable.  The range of pages that dealt with the tests by Itsu and TK are I believe around page 70 to page 100.  That led to EMJ declaring that he was leaving, which he did for about three months.  Now that he has come back he has not offered one iota of evidence to counter the test data generated by Itsu and TK.
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No time to waste on things that make no sense conventional laws?
Again, TK and Itsu both took the time to build the published circuit, and found nothing unusual.  What we found from EMJ's posts is that he calculated power by measuring voltage across one circuit branch and multiplying by current measured in another circuit branch, which is completely invalid.
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AHH but I am here to give predictions like we see in posts are much better it seems.
Make predictions, then test against them.
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My IQ may not be the best (121) but never underestimate who you speak at other side.
I am interested in reliable data.  People who want to compare IQs can do so at Mensa meetings.
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Don't feel so superior , the arrogance is the enemy of the way to universal wisdom.
It is all about reliable data.  EMJ has not brought any reliable data that supports his claims.

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Offline nelsonrochaa

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3517 on: June 13, 2015, 08:41:39 PM »
Actually you're right Mark the results of some tests are really unsatisfactory in relation to expectations. It is likely that never able to get the result they want. By the way I know what is bucking coils, therefore always said that there were many ways to identify this particular configuration, and of course this type of configuration has been studied, but in the sense of conventional electricity.
There separation of electrostatic charges in the coils simple  are not considered . Maybe the main reason for not so good results.
But of course is only me and my ignorance .
The simple goal of can make  "work" a heavy load  like a 24v 14A motor  or a 60W halogen bulb  with a circuit that consume only 26 milliwatts  of input (4.5v 60 milliamps) for me is simple great.
Maybe for you and for some people in this forum is simple nothing. The capacity of generate work is not only a issue of induction , or  current involved , and seems that is the only considered .
This example is  Overunity ? Of course not!  For me Is only a improvement to generate more "Work" in a economical way .
So the "partner coils" theme that Chris introduce is interesting because he have a different approach in this theme and is good to compare differences points of view.

And me and you have a different perspective . not important

Good  luck 

 


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3518 on: June 13, 2015, 09:08:46 PM »
Actually you're right Mark the results of some tests are really unsatisfactory in relation to expectations. It is likely that never able to get the result they want. By the way I know what is bucking coils, therefore always said that there were many ways to identify this particular configuration, and of course this type of configuration has been studied, but in the sense of conventional electricity.
There separation of electrostatic charges in the coils simple  are not considered . Maybe the main reason for not so good results.
Neither have invisible unicorn sacrifices been considered.  There is absolutely no new information that EMJ has brought to the table:  NONE.
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But of course is only me and my ignorance .
The simple goal of can make  "work" a heavy load  like a 24v 14A motor  or a 60W halogen bulb  with a circuit that consume only 26 milliwatts  of input (4.5v 60 milliamps) for me is simple great.
It is a fool's errand.  Good luck to you because TINSTAAFL rules.
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Maybe for you and for some people in this forum is simple nothing. The capacity of generate work is not only a issue of induction , or  current involved , and seems that is the only considered .
This example is  Overunity ? Of course not!  For me Is only a improvement to generate more "Work" in a economical way .
No matter how you phrase it:  "Something for nothing." is always the same.  There are lots of ways to improve efficiency of various devices.  There are lots of ways to harvest energy available around us.  EMJ's claims are for something from nothing.  His claims are false.
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So the "partner coils" theme that Chris introduce is interesting because he have a different approach in this theme and is good to compare differences points of view.

And me and you have a different perspective . not important
I have facts and evidence that support my position.  EMJ does not.
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Good  luck

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« Reply #3519 on: June 14, 2015, 12:02:56 AM »
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Neither have invisible unicorn sacrifices been considered.  There is absolutely no new information that EMJ has brought to the table:  NONE.
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Seems that information to you and for some minority is irrelevant . Did you try think if other persons think the same about that  ?
Seems not .


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It is a fool's errand.  Good luck to you because TINSTAAFL rules.

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Who talk about input nothing and output something ? ...?  Me ? Chris ?  It will depend how you and some of other guys will continue manipulate this conversation .

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There are lots of ways to improve efficiency of various devices.  There are lots of ways to harvest energy available around us.

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And is not what we want to improve ?
Did you know all possibles improvements  that can make possible to harvest energy ? You are the man . really! because i don't no , and think the most viewers of this forum.
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I have facts and evidence that support my position.  EMJ does not.
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 You have your facts face at your knowledge , or based in a simulation in a simulator circuit  or by the feedback of someone ? Did you test personally ?

I know the answer . You simple don't need test because you already know , all the behaviors of this type of circuit . cool for you

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3520 on: June 14, 2015, 01:10:10 AM »
Seems tests results are all different . ;)
 

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« Reply #3521 on: June 14, 2015, 01:31:44 AM »
Junkie!

There are no trolls in / think /
At the same time easy to convince a lot of nonsense

keep talking ... blallal wiskas

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« Reply #3522 on: June 14, 2015, 02:43:01 AM »
Seems tests results are all different . ;)

Different from what?

What, exactly, is your scope capture supposed to be demonstrating?

PW

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« Reply #3523 on: June 14, 2015, 03:38:17 AM »
What happened to simplicity ?????

So as I am trying to grasp a so called simplicity there is 3 fields A E H with H as the one that will cancel out one or both of the other 2 That is simple I can get my brain into all 3 hahah .... But These A and E fields or positive and negative have some dielectric constant to them caused buy the moment of the creation of there atoms from super nova ect ...... This moment of creation sets up the hidden vectors and to tap into them bingo free atomic dielectric energy ....

That's simple ! But the complexity is when you try and make one ! These fields change there dielectric free energy vector from the way we wound the wire and how we set up the coupling charge . So The dielectric constant we want to tap into has a G spot hahahahahah

Ok ! The harmonics of strings ! They all have g spots hahah at the 5th 7th 12th note in there scale ! So am I right in presuming that if you find the natural resonate frequency one can than find where the harmonics are on the coil ????????? Hit it and send it into a feed back circuit amp but instead of a speaker as a load we use a light bulb ...

Photon emission is liberated at a lower energy level due to the high hz of the new harmonic standing wave function super imposed onto the coil..... I do this with my electric guitar sometimes I use a wooden box instead of an amp ... So wood will be the lowest of the harmonic boundaries to located along the periodic path of elements.... All the rest up to all the metals need fine tuning ! I can work out a complete harmonic foot  print for the elements and use the numbers of free electrons to calculated harmonic response along any coil ...

But due to harmonic response of all dielectric boundaries inter phasing will be difficult due to that all mass is dielectrically entangled so it would need some rather strange box to isolate them all in ... Take them out of the box and the results will be different depending on the harmonics the dielectric of the conductor interact with prior to a new standing harmonic is set up on the coils ....................................

Any standard formula of this kind is not available due to these interactions of dielectric harmonic vector velocities so you need a box to find them all in ......... The box its self has its own set of harmonics so it will need to be a special shape that is coherent to the H vector as to block all on wanted interference as to finally set the standard formula for all elements in the periodic table................................

I just need a little help With the H vector ???????????? Is it a modal scale monopole dielectric ???????? I have a monopole coil hahahah

I think I might be good at this hahahahahahahahahahahah ????????????????

Taking into account the expansion of space and time I fill very confident to locate all of them starting with negative hydrogen ! THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT AS ITS THE STARTING POINT.........

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Offline MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #3524 on: June 14, 2015, 04:59:12 AM »
Nelson,

Please see my comments below.

MileHgh

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1.  What is the technology involved?
 Partned coils is the main name of topic.

>>>>>  That does not answer my question.  If you can't answer the question then please just be honest and state that you can't answer the question.

2.  What do you mean when you say, "They are creating an iron arm that makes no sense" because I don't understand that.
I'm talk about about the opinions involved in that subject.

>>>>>  Fine, but many people around here that are challenging Chris are making perfect sense.

3.  You say, "... your point of view which strongly take up against this idea."  What idea are you talking about?
 I'm talk about you not believe in that technology  and i understand and respect .

>>>>>  You are not answering the question so I will repeat it.  What idea?  If you can't answer the question then please just be honest and state that you can't answer the question.

4.  You say, "... it seems to me that at this point even if there were "evidence" credible."   What potential evidence are you talking about?
I put i hypothetic scenario where EVEN EVEN EVEN we have some demonstration of a good result ,  in this stage it will simple not convince you. But also because anyone would be interested in trying to prove something to you or anyone ?

>>>>> Okay, so the status right now is that there is zero evidence of anything.

5.  What does Chris' circuit do?
Man don't be so repetitive , Chris put on the start of topic all about their results and how to test .

>>>>>  That does not answer my question.  If you can't answer the question then please just be honest and state that you can't answer the question.

But tell me one thing.
What would be the scenario that you understand that is correct for you had a sign that awakens you to your curiosity about this subject?
Can you answer me ?

>>>>>  The indirect answer to your question is to produce good results that are backed up with credible measurements.  Results of what?  That question is not for me to answer because I am not making any kind of statement about any alleged free energy system.  Note that we are still stuck on this thread with no substantial information for anything.  Thank you for your replies but they still did not explain or clarify anything.  The question for you, for me, for Chris and for anybody interested in this is the following:   What does this system do?  I can't answer that question and it's not my job to answer that question.   You can't answer the question.  Chris can't answer the question.  So where does that leave us?  The answer is that it leaves us nowhere and the thread is going nowhere and is totally meaningless.

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