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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2670 on: May 17, 2015, 12:42:20 AM »
@MarkE - Just for you old mate!

We have an Ideal Transformer. The input is reactive, phase can vary, but is typically around 70-90 Degrees.

The Input Circuit is optional.

Would a Transformer in this situation best be in resonance, LC Tank, either Series Resonant, or Parallel Resonant, if so, which and why?

PoyntyPants feel free to chime in here if you wish..

   Chris

EDIT: I forgot to mention, Loading the transformer will not drop the Transformer out of resonance.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2671 on: May 17, 2015, 01:33:31 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 17, 2015, 12:42:20 AM
@MarkE - Just for you old mate!

We have an Ideal Transformer. The input is reactive, phase can vary, but is typically around 70-90 Degrees.

The Input Circuit is optional.

Would a Transformer in this situation best be in resonance, LC Tank, either Series Resonant, or Parallel Resonant, if so, which and why?

PoyntyPants feel free to chime in here if you wish..

   Chris
So that's a big no on whether you have changed your view that you expressed in post #94?  Where you once argued that circuits with AC waveforms must be probed with the oscilloscope input coupling set to AC, do you now agree that is almost always wrong?  Have you gone back and retaken your measurements with your oscilloscope coupling set to DC?

In a transformer where K=1.0 means that no series inductance from the transformer appears between the coupled primary and secondary.  Only the magnetizing inductance appears in parallel with the input circuit output port / reflected secondary circuit input port.  The magnetizing inductance can be part of either a series or a parallel resonant tank.  Placing a capacitor in series within or between the input circuit and the transformer primary will form a series resonant network, while placing one in parallel with the primary will form a parallel resonant network.  Your stipulation of a phase angle in the range of 70-90 degrees could mean that there is already a series capacitor and that you are operating just beyond the natural series resonant frequency.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2672 on: May 17, 2015, 01:56:02 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on May 17, 2015, 01:33:31 AM

So that's a big no on whether you have changed your view that you expressed in post #94?  Where you once argued that circuits with AC waveforms must be probed with the oscilloscope input coupling set to AC, do you now agree that is almost always wrong?  Have you gone back a retaken your measurements with your oscilloscope coupling set to DC?


I still hold my point of view, measuring an AC Wave form with AC Coupling is perfectly ok as long as the fore mentioned criteria has been eliminated:

   1: DC Offset
   2: Symmetry of the Wave

There is nothing WRONG with using AC Coupling if one has eliminated the above.


Quote from: MarkE on May 17, 2015, 01:33:31 AM

In a transformer where K=1.0 means that no series inductance from the transformer appears between the coupled primary and secondary.  Only the magnetizing inductance appears in parallel with the input circuit output port / reflected secondary circuit input port.  The magnetizing inductance can be part of either a series or a parallel resonant tank.  Placing a capacitor in series within or between the input circuit and the transformer primary will form a series resonant network, while placing one in parallel with the primary will form a parallel resonant network.  Your stipulation of a phase angle in the range of 70-90 degrees could mean that there is already a series capacitor and that you are operating just beyond the natural series resonant frequency.


This does not answer the question...

This Ideal Transformer has no Capacitances except for the tiny capacitance between the Windings. Distributed Capacitance.

The Phase angle is a Characteristic of the Transformer.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2673 on: May 17, 2015, 02:06:37 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 17, 2015, 01:56:02 AM
I still hold my point of view, measuring an AC Wave form with AC Coupling is perfectly ok as long as the fore mentioned criteria has been eliminated:

   1: DC Offset
   2: Symmetry of the Wave

There is nothing WRONG with using AC Coupling if one has eliminated the above.
But that is not what you used to say when you offered up your measurements claiming OU.  You claimed that AC coupling was required for any AC waveform.  Your new position is that AC coupling is acceptable provided certain criteria are met.  And even at that your criteria are incomplete for the statement to be true.  So, it would seem that you are only a little less lost.
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This does not answer the question...

This Ideal Transformer has no Capacitances except for the tiny capacitance between the Windings. Distributed Capacitance.

The Phase angle is a Characteristic of the Transformer.
I have answered the question far more completely than you asked it.  Once again you are lost in, wait for the irony ... your false assumptions.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2674 on: May 17, 2015, 02:15:57 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on May 17, 2015, 02:06:37 AM
But that is not what you used to say when you offered up your measurements claiming OU.  You claimed that AC coupling was required for any AC waveform.  Your new position is that AC coupling is acceptable provided certain criteria are met.  And even at that your criteria are incomplete for the statement to be true.  So, it would seem that you are only a little less lost.I have answered the question far more completely than you asked it.  Once again you are lost in, wait for the irony ... your false assumptions.

MarkE - Back to your Non-Sense again by the looks of this!!!

   1: No - You have blatantly Lied!
   2: Again, you make a MarkE Assumption that is only your point of View...
   3: No, your supposed answer is not complete, you side tracked the entire question and offered no Answer at all!!!

Well, I keep trying with you MakrE! I keep seeing only one thing... I can see I really am wasting my time with you!!!

Don't tell me, it was you that voted False in the current Poll! Hahaha yes I see now what you're up too MarkE.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2675 on: May 17, 2015, 02:28:45 AM »
So more big no there, eh EMJ?
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2676 on: May 17, 2015, 02:33:19 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on May 17, 2015, 02:28:45 AM

So more big no there, eh EMJ?


Hahaha - You don't know MarkE!!! I have proven you cant accurately answer this very simple question!

I shall let you ponder this for some time, think hard MarkE!!!

I shall eat Pie!!!
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2677 on: May 17, 2015, 03:13:35 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 17, 2015, 02:15:57 AM

   2: Again, you make a MarkE Assumption that is only your point of View...


Well, only Mark's point of view...as long as you don't count all of those fellows that write the text books, along with all of the scientists, and most likely TK, .99, MH and all of the others here that really know what they are doing, and you can also ignore all of those electronics engineers that work out there every day designing products that work and people actually use...and, I daresay that you can probably also ignore all of those high school students that study basic electronics as well.  Don't forget to ignore all of those college students, and grad students as well.  Oh, you also have to ignore the physicists too.

Other than that, you are right, no one agrees with MarkE.

Bill
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2678 on: May 17, 2015, 03:23:01 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 17, 2015, 01:56:02 AM
I still hold my point of view, measuring an AC Wave form with AC Coupling is perfectly ok as long as the fore mentioned criteria has been eliminated:

   1: DC Offset
   2: Symmetry of the Wave

There is nothing WRONG with using AC Coupling if one has eliminated the above.

Way to go EMJ.

You have learned something in the last 6 months, that you never knew in your previous 16 years of "research".


Post 97 - back in January.
You were mistaken in your belief that :
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If the Output is AC then AC is needed on the scope. Vice Versa...

Did you read the manual finally for your PDS7102T scope.
Or was it from information others posted in this thread that taught you that. ?


How Ironic is it that you thought you were here to teach, but end up being the student.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2679 on: May 17, 2015, 03:31:38 AM »
Quote from: Pirate88179 on May 17, 2015, 03:13:35 AM
Well, only Mark's point of view...as long as you don't count all of those fellows that write the text books, along with all of the scientists, and most likely TK, .99, MH and all of the others here that really know what they are doing, and you can also ignore all of those electronics engineers that work out there every day designing products that work and people actually use...and, I daresay that you can probably also ignore all of those high school students that study basic electronics as well.  Don't forget to ignore all of those college students, and grad students as well.  Oh, you also have to ignore the physicists too.

Other than that, you are right, no one agrees with MarkE.

Bill

and in follows Bill...

OMG Bill, Look, I am going to write to the CIA and the NSA asking them to increase your pay level!

I think you're now worth more to them!!!

From Baby Troll to Teenage Troll in only a few weeks!!! Well done!!!
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2680 on: May 17, 2015, 03:44:06 AM »
Quote from: PIH123 on May 17, 2015, 03:23:01 AM
Way to go EMJ.

You have learned something in the last 6 months, that you never knew in your previous 16 years of "research".


Post 97 - back in January.
You were mistaken in your belief that :
Did you read the manual finally for your PDS7102T scope.
Or was it from information others posted in this thread that taught you that. ?


How Ironic is it that you thought you were here to teach, but end up being the student.
EMJ still has not quite learned.  AC coupling on a scope only yields accurate waveforms provided that:  there is no appreciable signal content from DC up to several times the high pass filter -3dB frequency.  But, yes, he has finally come around to rejecting his earlier erroneous declarations that AC signals require AC coupling on his scope.  Now, it is onto the matter of knowing that, has he retaken his earlier measurements DC coupled?  And has he corrected his grounding problems?  If he has, does he still claim OU?
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2681 on: May 17, 2015, 04:34:29 AM »
Quote from: MarkE on May 17, 2015, 03:44:06 AM
EMJ still has not quite learned.  AC coupling on a scope only yields accurate waveforms provided that:  there is no appreciable signal content from DC up to several times the high pass filter -3dB frequency.  But, yes, he has finally come around to rejecting his earlier erroneous declarations that AC signals require AC coupling on his scope.  Now, it is onto the matter of knowing that, has he retaken his earlier measurements DC coupled?  And has he corrected his grounding problems?  If he has, does he still claim OU?

Mark, the answer is ...NO.  He still has folks attempting to replicate his design based upon his incorrect measurements so...he is not going to admit he made a mistake.  Otherwise, those replicators might get a bit peeved.

Bill
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2682 on: May 17, 2015, 05:31:24 AM »
Get your votes in People! We really need to see what the consensus is on this one.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2683 on: May 17, 2015, 05:32:39 AM »


Still no answer from our locally owned Trolls?

I wonder why?
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2684 on: May 17, 2015, 06:06:03 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie on May 17, 2015, 05:32:39 AM

Still no answer from our locally owned Trolls?

I wonder why?

The CIA told us, in a memo, that we are no longer authorized to vote.  Something about a paradigm shift involving deep cover.
But, we did get a large increase in commission so, that is cool.


Bill
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