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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2490 on: May 09, 2015, 09:58:32 AM »

I didn't do too badly! At least I am not a Troll ;0)

New Vote, MileHigh's turn - Vote as you see fit!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2491 on: May 09, 2015, 10:01:51 AM »
So, after 167 Pages, Read 101533 times, and now that the topic is going around in Circles again, do you think Over-Unity is any closer for any of you?

Does anyone here feel confident on the basic Fundamentals of how Energy in the form of Electricity is Invoked? Or Pumped?

Anyone?

Or are you all going to sit there, like a bunch of Poached Eggs, waiting for your heads to be lopped off?

   Chris

Offline Red_Sunset

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2492 on: May 09, 2015, 10:51:15 AM »
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Or are you all going to sit there, like a bunch of Poached Eggs, waiting for your heads to be lopped off?
   Chris


YES...YES !!!  The question is who head??
My Guess ?  doesn't matter.

Why don't you do an other poll !

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« Reply #2492 on: May 09, 2015, 10:51:15 AM »
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Offline verpies

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2493 on: May 09, 2015, 12:24:59 PM »
Well while you guys may be happy being able to measure something,you still dont know what it is you are measuring. You are also happy to say that the arrows depict direction-->direction of what?.

I think what has happened here is,well we can measure it,we know what it does, and how it's made-->so that will do.
Like i said-it's funny when you think about it.
We can measure it-but we don't know what were measuring.
We know the effects it has-but we don't know what is causing those effects.
We can make it-but we don't know what were making.
Yes, that is an accurate assessment of the state of conventional science.

But all science has to start from somewhere. These axioms can be electrons, protons, photons, quarks, mass, energy, charge, spin, force, space and time, etc...
If you start delving into these axiomatic concepts and asking questions like "what charge is" instead "how charge behaves", then eventually you will arrive at conclusions like you did above.

There are fringe theories out there that can define all physical concepts only in terms of space and time (which are aspects of motion).  Nonetheless these are axioms, too and if you start asking questions about them, you will not discover their underlying structure either.

Offline MileHigh

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« Reply #2494 on: May 09, 2015, 01:22:54 PM »
The mysteries of the universe are always out there for sure.  I saw a documentary about the the overall structure of the basic building blocks of the universe and the values of various constants.  They were discussing about how a lot of the various constants "hold the universe together," for lack of a better term.  Things like Planck's constant, the mass of an electron, the charge of an electron, the gravitational constant, electric force per unit charge, and other things like that in the realm of physics.

From Wikipedia:

The value of the Planck constant is:[1]

    h = 6.626\ 069\ 57(29)\times 10^{-34}\text{ J⋅s} = 4.135\ 667\ 516(91)\times 10^{-15}\text{ eV⋅s} .

Sorry for the crappy symbol-to-text conversion.

The point they made for Planck's constant and other things of this nature was that if Planck's constant was just 1% larger or smaller than it really is, then the whole universe would not work.  I am just giving you a hypothetical example here.

The interesting thought was that if these constants were not "just right" then the whole universe would not work, the stars could never have formed, etc, etc.   The suggestion being that we live in a "Goldilocks" universe.

Why are things the way they are?  And if they weren't the way they are then we would never be here to contemplate why they are the way they are.

Tinman, you know why we say that there is "direction" to a magnetic field. Your analog ammeter moves to the left when the north face of a magnet approaches a coil.  Flip the magnet around and do the same thing and the ammeter will move to the right.  Hence we use the term "direction" because it's easy to use that tern.  It could just as well be <pick an unused Greek letter> and <unused Greek letter>-prime.

But when you go back to energy things become much more tangible.  We don't know what a magnetic field actually is but we know it represents the storage of energy.   Here is a good question to put all of the energy experimenters on the spot that play with transformers:  Can you measure the energy that can be stored in the transformer itself?  If you have been on the bench for years experimenting and looking for free energy and you can't do it, or you never even thought of doing it, or you don't know how to approach answering that question, then you should challenge yourself.

And then there is the fact that a coil has the identical energy dynamics of a flywheel.  You just have to transpose the variables.  That simple fact brings electronic circuits down to earth and makes them more tangible and helps you visualize their limitations.

Have you ever seen a flywheel spin all by itself because "an unknown energy source that we can't define and can't measure and we don't know where it is coming from enters the system?"

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2495 on: May 09, 2015, 01:59:36 PM »
Eddy currents

Lets suppose this image is correct,

The electrons circling the magnetic field line could be considered an eddy current

Let us a solenoid as the model, if low power is used the magnetic field runs in the core and the electrons run outside the core.

But if too much power is applied the field lines become stronger and hold the electrons and they begin to bore into the core heating the core.

Now suppose we provide a conductive path through the core.

Like Lee says "lead out" the energy.



 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2496 on: May 09, 2015, 03:14:13 PM »
Yes, that is an accurate assessment of the state of conventional science.

But all science has to start from somewhere. These axioms can be electrons, protons, photons, quarks, mass, energy, charge, spin, force, space and time, etc...
If you start delving into these axiomatic concepts and asking questions like "what charge is" instead "how charge behaves", then eventually you will arrive at conclusions like you did above.

There are fringe theories out there that can define all physical concepts only in terms of space and time (which are aspects of motion).  Nonetheless these are axioms, too and if you start asking questions about them, you will not discover their underlying structure either.

So much to learn,so little time.
But today i learned that sound waves can create a harmonic within an inductor that results in a voltage being created across that inductor. In this case i was using a piezo to create sound waves at a frequency of around 130Khz(although there were some lower value frequencies) directed at a ferrit Ecore transformer. At the right frequency,i could get around 4VPP across the transformer-->not to bad for sound waves.  ;)

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Offline verpies

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« Reply #2497 on: May 09, 2015, 03:27:53 PM »
But today i learned that sound waves can create a harmonic within an inductor that results in a voltage being created across that inductor.
Yes, this is known as the Villari effect and is the subject of this video.
Acoustic vibrations are also capable of inducing precession of atoms' spin axes in magnetic field.

A magnetic Wheatstone reluctance bridge should be a good structure for modulating the reluctance of one of its legs and obtaining a variable flux through another.

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« Reply #2498 on: May 09, 2015, 03:35:29 PM »
...and Gunderson even has a patent related to the magnetoacoustic effect.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2499 on: May 09, 2015, 03:39:31 PM »
 :o    :) 

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« Reply #2500 on: May 09, 2015, 04:05:13 PM »
:o    :)

Nope, I hate to be a party pooper, but don't even go there.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2501 on: May 09, 2015, 04:06:57 PM »
So much to learn,so little time.
But today i learned that sound waves can create a harmonic within an inductor that results in a voltage being created across that inductor. In this case i was using a piezo to create sound waves at a frequency of around 130Khz(although there were some lower value frequencies) directed at a ferrit Ecore transformer. At the right frequency,i could get around 4VPP across the transformer-->not to bad for sound waves.  ;)

Dear Tinman.

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« Reply #2502 on: May 09, 2015, 04:08:28 PM »
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At the right frequency,i could get around 4VPP across the transformer-->not to bad for sound waves.

But you didn't measure the output impedance of the voltage source.  Without knowing the output impedance you have very little information.

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« Reply #2503 on: May 09, 2015, 04:28:55 PM »
I also have that "T" shirt !!   :)
In such experiments I was always missing the visualization of the longitudinal standing waves in these ferries.

Visualization of transverse vibrations on a surface is easily done with fine sand as in the cymatic Chladni patterns but visualizing the longitudinal vibrations is not so easy ...especially in a rod.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #2504 on: May 09, 2015, 08:16:28 PM »
Would this be considered an eddy current on a macro scale.

 

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