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Offline SkyWatcher123

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #180 on: January 23, 2015, 06:48:18 AM »
Hi folks, I tried the simple flip flop circuit using two TIP3055's with 1kohm resistors.
The no load input was lower and not observing any lowering of current when loaded, it increases a bit, same when direct shorting partnered coils.
Tried all combinations of partnered coil connections.
i increased frequency by using 10 kohm resistors and still same behaviour.
Hmmm, maybe the flip flop is not the ideal driver or my setup needs tweaking.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #180 on: January 23, 2015, 06:48:18 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #181 on: January 23, 2015, 07:00:19 AM »
Hi folks, I tried the simple flip flop circuit using two TIP3055's with 1kohm resistors.
The no load input was lower and not observing any lowering of current when loaded, it increases a bit, same when direct shorting partnered coils.
Tried all combinations of partnered coil connections.
i increased frequency by using 10 kohm resistors and still same behaviour.
Hmmm, maybe the flip flop is not the ideal driver or my setup needs tweaking.
peace love light

@SkyWatcher123,

Whats the input V and I? How many turns on the Input?

Input Coil Impedance should be sufficient as to produce enough Magnetic Field to start the tickle.

EDIT: The same is true for Partnered Output Coils, Impedance should be sufficient as to produce enough Magnetic Field to Work back on the input!

E.G: Lots of turns! 10 - 20 turns is not enough, more like around 200 or so on each partnered Output Coil (18-22 AWG)! maybe around 40- 60 or so on the Input, 32 AWG or similar. See my Video's to see how many turns I was using. Approx... This can change per device!

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« Last Edit: January 23, 2015, 09:36:05 AM by EMJunkie »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #182 on: January 23, 2015, 09:45:34 AM »
@ALL

Remember, this Technology is related to the Magnetic side of the whole spectrum (Lenz's Law component).

If Current is not Flowing and as a result the Magnetic Fields are not aloud to build, then this does not work!

It is easy to "Choke" off the effect. Tight Coupling "Chokes" off the effect! You have to let it Live! Its a Pump, Charge Carrier Pump!

It is a Living Beast, this sound's silly, but feel it working and you WILL succeed!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #182 on: January 23, 2015, 09:45:34 AM »
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Offline Jeg

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #183 on: January 23, 2015, 09:47:44 AM »
Hi guys
On a tv Yoke i winded two partnered coils of 150 turns (approximately).
Input 12 turns, 24V/2A mosfet switching. At one side, the two halfs of the Yoke were insulated with tape. Trigger coil winded just over one of the two output coils.

When i shortcut the output, there is a small increment of the input current in the order of some 50-100mA. I guess that my partnered coils ended up with different overall turns in a degree that is enough to make this small increment.
I wonder if it will be any different reaction if i will take my output from an other 4th coil other than the partner coils. Will see. As i see it, to take out something useful, as EmJunkie said the partner coils have to add their E-fields. Or else the output will be a very low voltage one incapable for driving big loads.

EMJunkie what is your opinion if output is to be taken from the connection points of both the partnered coils? I mean, if partnered coils are not an open end ones, but instead to be connected between each other and taking the output from both connected ends?   

ps. interesting results sky watcher. Well done! At your arrangement, is trigger coil in the middle or at the side of your core?

Emjunkie just saw your advice about number of turns. I will re-wind my primary.. thanks
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #184 on: January 23, 2015, 10:02:11 AM »
Quote from: EMJunkie
P.S: One of my very good friends, has just replicated his own device and its also running OU! I ask him to also NOT share the OU Results, at least just for the moment! I really don't want to get bogged down in debating results, especially when others have not replicated the device! This puts the number of people I know with working running devices to: 4

More claims without the least trace of evidence. We've seen such claims before, and none of them have turned out to be true. The overwhelming probability is that these claims are also not true. Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG by showing proper data. You won't do it... because you cannot. Anyone who actually could, would be happy to do so on this OPEN SOURCE forum. 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #184 on: January 23, 2015, 10:02:11 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #185 on: January 23, 2015, 10:08:49 AM »
Hi guys
On a tv Yoke i winded two partnered coils of 150 turns (approximately).
Input 12 turns, 24V/2A mosfet switching. At one side, the two halfs of the Yoke were insulated with tape. Trigger coil winded just over one of the two output coils.

When i shortcut the output, there is a small increment of the input current in the order of some 50-100mA. I guess that my partnered coils ended up with different overall turns in a degree that is enough to make this small increment.
I wonder if it will be any different reaction if i will take my output from an other 4th coil other than the partner coils. Will see. As i see it, to take out something useful, as EmJunkie said the partner coils have to add their E-fields. Or else the output will be a very low voltage one incapable for driving big loads.

EMJunkie what is your opinion if output is to be taken from the connection points of both the partnered coils? I mean, if partnered coils are not an open end ones, but instead to be connected between each other and taking the output from both connected ends?   

ps. interesting results sky watcher. Well done! At your arrangement, is trigger coil in the middle or at the side of your core?

regards

@Jeg,

Can you please post a quick Picture? Close up of the coils?

Try moving the Partnered Output Coil Inter-Connections - See Pic:

Where A connects to B - Other terminals are your output terminals.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #186 on: January 23, 2015, 10:10:34 AM »
More claims without the least trace of evidence. We've seen such claims before, and none of them have turned out to be true. The overwhelming probability is that these claims are also not true. Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG by showing proper data. You won't do it... because you cannot. Anyone who actually could, would be happy to do so on this OPEN SOURCE forum.

@TinselKoala,

Why would you respond like this?

Check your PM's

Hurry up about it, I don't have all night!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #186 on: January 23, 2015, 10:10:34 AM »
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Offline Jeg

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #187 on: January 23, 2015, 10:16:45 AM »
More claims without the least trace of evidence. We've seen such claims before, and none of them have turned out to be true. The overwhelming probability is that these claims are also not true. Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG by showing proper data. You won't do it... because you cannot. Anyone who actually could, would be happy to do so on this OPEN SOURCE forum.

Tinsel, i trust your judgment, but we have tried many times in the past to replicate claims of unknown people with the least support and help from their side. This time we have a fellow experimenter (EmJunkie) who is here between us, willing and trying to push us to a direction which he thinks is right. Even if we won't make it, at least we can say that we tried, without worying that we didn't follow exactly inventor's propositions as EMJunkie is here with us, correcting and indicating of our mistakes..

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #188 on: January 23, 2015, 10:26:36 AM »
@Jeg,


Try moving the Partnered Output Coil Inter-Connections - See Pic:



Dear EmJunkie, do you mean to bring them closer or more far between each other?

i will post a pic in a few hours..
Tnks

ps. Ah i've got what you mean. I have made this inter connection change, and when i shortcuted the output my consumption climbed up to 6A!!! :D (If i didn't make a silly mistake as i was in a hurry there is a lot of difference in the consumption between the two connection modes..)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #188 on: January 23, 2015, 10:26:36 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #189 on: January 23, 2015, 10:41:22 AM »
Dear EmJunkie, do you mean to bring them closer or more far between each other?

i will post a pic in a few hours..
Tnks

Hey Jeg,

Try that too, but not what I meant, I meant, try to connect the Wires from each Partnered Output Coil as per the Diagram, if it does not work one way, try the other!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #190 on: January 23, 2015, 10:44:34 AM »
pls read again my above post as i added a ps before reading your answer

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #191 on: January 23, 2015, 10:59:17 AM »
Dear EmJunkie, do you mean to bring them closer or more far between each other?

i will post a pic in a few hours..
Tnks

ps. Ah i've got what you mean. I have made this inter connection change, and when i shortcuted the output my consumption climbed up to 6A!!! :D (If i didn't make a silly mistake as i was in a hurry there is a lot of difference in the consumption between the two connection modes..)


@Jeg and ALL

This is EXCELENT Jeg! You have bought up a Very good point!

I covered in my pdf document: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

"The point here is that Placement of coils is important, what a Coil sees as a result of its placement can change the entire operation of the device. Not only the placement but also the direction of turns is important if it is placed on the same core as the input coil. Turn Direction is the difference between a Dead Short in the device and not shorting the device and accessing another effect that some may not have seen before."

So, you've seen one of the issues that some will definitely face! I am very happy you have got there and can see what's going on! Youre seeing a Dead Short! This takes some thinking about.

Can you tell me why you're seeing this?

This is what we would normally see in a conventional Transformer!

Why? Think A Vector Potential!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #192 on: January 23, 2015, 11:38:02 AM »

Can you tell me why you're seeing this?

This is what we would normally see in a conventional Transformer!

Why? Think A Vector Potential!
   

Ok. What happens here is already explained by you. There is no opposition from secondary side at the development of a magnetic field inside the core while feeding the primary. Each one of the two output coils opposes to a magnetic change of its opposite partner and so the magnetization of the core is freely and steady without dragging.
What i still can not visualize is to how this A vector is evolving in to our arrangement. And how it is possible to feed a load with an appropriate voltage the same time that there is almost no inductance at secondary side.

tnks     

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« Reply #193 on: January 23, 2015, 11:52:44 AM »
Ok. What happens here is already explained by you. There is no opposition from secondary side at the development of a magnetic field inside the core while feeding the primary.


Yes, true, I have been through this. Exactly! (Need to see your coils to verify!) Each Partnered Output Coil is seeing a Change in Time from the Input Coil, this change, A Vector Potential is sweeping over each Coil in Time! The Electric Fields of each Coil are present, this can be seen in the Dead Short!

The Problem: Each Partnered Output Coil is not configured so each Magnetic Field Cancel!


Each one of the two output coils opposes to a magnetic change of its opposite partner and so the magnetization of the core is freely and steady without dragging.
What i still can not visualize is to how this A vector is evolving in to our arrangement. And how it is possible to feed a load with an appropriate voltage the same time that there is almost no inductance at secondary side.

tnks     

I think I understand here, yes the Solution is for Magnetic Cancelation! Apply the right Hand Rule to each Coil, relative to the Core!

You should be able to short the Partnered Output Coils and see no shift in input Current due to this Magnetic Fields Cancelling!

Again, I quote Floyd Sweet:

"If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E. It is a simple matter using the equations E/H √ue and c = 1/√ue for a team wave to get rid of H and C and so convert the first equation into the well known equation for energy density in the so-called electrostatic field"

Please post a picture first! But it sounds like you need to remove one Coil and rewind in the opposite direction to the first. Or, alternatively, space the Core Material between the two Partnered Output Coils by around 1-2 millimetres or possibly a little more. EG: Gap the Core

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« Reply #194 on: January 23, 2015, 12:15:05 PM »
What i still can not visualize is to how this A vector is evolving in to our arrangement. And how it is possible to feed a load with an appropriate voltage the same time that there is almost no inductance at secondary side.   

@Jeg,

Lets start at the start, imagine 2 Coils, a Primary and a Secondary, standard Transformer type arrangement....

Input supply's Voltage and a Current to the Terminals of the Primary Coil.

A Load is applied to the Output (Secondary Coil)

The Load draws a Current from the already Separated Charge Carriers!

A Flowing Current constitutes a Magnetic Field!

The Secondary's Magnetic Field Vector (Arrow Direction) is in the opposite Direction to the Primary Magnetic Field!

IMPORTANT: This Magnetic Field is Still a Magnetic Field Changing in Time! It could be considered ANOTHER Primary Magnetic Field!

Now we introduce the second Coil in our Partnered Output Coils, this Secondary Coil will see the same change in time of the Magnetic Field (From the Secondary)

This also induces Charge Separation in this Coil, drawing Current from the already Separated Charge Carriers will again constitute a Magnetic Field that will oppose the Secondary, but will re-in-force the Primary!

Please watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-V1z2TdQJA

This video shows the above description, but also shows animations at the same time!

Sorry, am a bit tired, been a long day. Hope this makes sense!

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