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John.K1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1695 on: April 23, 2015, 12:13:35 PM »
TK, EMark,  do you actually accept Steorn's ORBO claims, that their motor was (is) OU ??

MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1696 on: April 23, 2015, 12:32:42 PM »
TK, EMark,  do you actually accept Steorn's ORBO claims, that their motor was (is) OU ??
Of course not.  Do you accept that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe from a tasty pasta plate with oregano garnish 3000 years ago?

Steorn completely failed to provide evidence for their outlandish claims.  This is what their hand picked jury said in June 2009:

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Jury Verdict Posted on June 21, 2009 at 2:22pm
In August 2006 the Irish company Steorn published an advertisement in the Economist announcing the
development of “a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy”. Qualified experts were
sought to form a “jury” to validate these claims.

Twenty-two independent scientists and engineers were selected by Steorn to form this jury. It has for the
past two years examined evidence presented by the company. The unanimous verdict of the Jury is that
Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy. The jury is
therefore ceasing work.

The jury consisted of scientists and engineers in relevant fields from Europe and North America, from
industry, universities and government laboratories. Information about individual members can be found
at http://stjury.ning.com/

A few years later the former jury foreperson wrote these messages on an internet blog:

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Steorn seemed initially to think that the jury members should go out
and construct their own devices in order to provide independent proof
that Steorn's concept was valid. The jury made the demonstration of a
working device by Steorn a required first step before they would do
anything else. Steorn accepted this. The criteria we developed for
"working" were much discussed among the jury and I think they were
good ones in the end. The fact that they were never met was the reason
why the jury eventually stopped work.

There was no final report other than the jury's public statement.

Steorn did demonstrate one working device that they claimed created
energy, but the jury disagreed that there was reliable evidence. The
device was later shown advertised by Steorn as a product for
"measuring magnetic interactions". The evidence for creation of energy
was a calculated excess of net torque as the device was stepped around
a cycle. It was not a continuous-motion motor and was only intended to
demonstrate the magnet ideas that Steorn were advancing. The jury felt
that the evidence was below experimental noise levels.


I would say that Steorn were remarkably co-operative. They acceded to
readily enough to the criteria set by the jury. One thing did puzzle
me, however. While it was clear at the first meeting that they were
unable to demonstrate a working device tot the jury, they nevertheless
attempted to show one within months in London at the Kinetica museum.
There had been no mention made of any such plan to the jury. Given
that the idea of the jury was to validate the device, this seemed very
strange.

Ian MacDonald
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MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1697 on: April 23, 2015, 12:37:16 PM »
TK, a 49 page pdf, several videos showing anonymous effects and some 700 + posts here and other forums.... No support...


Hahaha - your stupidity along with MarkE's is just laughable.


You and MarkE are simply Villainous Juveniles with nothing better to do in your Lazy Retirement Days!
More ad hominem attack.  Snooooooooze.

TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1698 on: April 23, 2015, 01:05:10 PM »
TK, a 49 page pdf, several videos showing anonymous effects and some 700 + posts here and other forums.... No support...

Oh yes, the "49 page pdf" where you claimed to have something which you did not have, a device that actually produced OU... no measurements in support of that claim, which was later removed? The pdf and forum posts where you clearly demonstrate that you don't know how to use your equipment, that you have misconceptions about what they measure and how they measure it, the circuits where you cobble together measurements from different branches to make some  nonsensical "output" measure that isn't even output? Yes, we are all familiar with that pile of verbiage and sketchup imagery. Guess what: there are no "anonymous" or anomalous effects shown in any of _your_ videos and most of your posts in every forum are just trying to inflate your own ego by making more false claims without support, and insulting people who want you to back up your claims. You were even given special dispensation from the usual "credo" at OUR but failed even there to provide the support for your claims, so you tucked tail and ran away and took your "open source experimentation" to your own forum/blog where you had editorial control. But that clearly wasn't gratifying enough for you because... YOU'RE BAAACK. But you bring nothing with you except your insults and disrespect:
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Hahaha - your stupidity along with MarkE's is just laughable.


You and MarkE are simply Villainous Juveniles with nothing better to do in your Lazy Retirement Days!

Laugh away, then, FALSE CLAIMANT. You cannot support your claims with data and reasoned arguments, so you insult and whine. That much is clear. It's SOP around here, you are nothing new and your life's "work" comes to nothing and will be forgotten soon.

TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1699 on: April 23, 2015, 01:06:57 PM »
TK, EMark,  do you actually accept Steorn's ORBO claims, that their motor was (is) OU ??
What makes you think that I might accept those claims?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgvFHejoQEk

MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1700 on: April 23, 2015, 01:42:09 PM »
The orbette was an ingenious undertaking.

John.K1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1701 on: April 23, 2015, 03:16:03 PM »
What makes you think that I might accept those claims?
The Orbo company is still on business. I just can't imagine why would they make a fraud claims, as it would damage their business reputation? I am two hours to drive from Dublin. Thinking to contact them to show me that generator :)  I just wish to prove to you two the existence of OU :D

BTW- they work with the correct time propagation of the magnetism in the cores. There are some materials to download on their pages.

TinselKoala

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1702 on: April 23, 2015, 08:26:50 PM »
The Orbo company is still on business. I just can't imagine why would they make a fraud claims, as it would damage their business reputation? I am two hours to drive from Dublin. Thinking to contact them to show me that generator :)  I just wish to prove to you two the existence of OU :D

BTW- they work with the correct time propagation of the magnetism in the cores. There are some materials to download on their pages.

You apparently do not know the history of Steorn's Orbo, or my involvement researching their claims. I know of several people who also looked into the Orbo magnetic motor claims quite deeply, but as far as I can tell, nobody has explored the "core effect" in that context more than I have. Many people _still_ do not understand how the Orbo motor actually works. I have dozens of videos illustrating my work with the Orbo core-effect pulse motor, my versions of which I call "Orbettes" V1 and V2. Here's one more:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90rMGmskqXQ
And another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJavCZX_-PI

Yes, when you go visit Dublin be sure to ask Sean to demonstrate the original Orbo magnet motor that was supposed to be shown "self running" at the original Kinetica demonstration, that supposedly failed because distortion due to "hot lights" crushed its delicate jewelled bearings, and then was _never again_ seen in any demonstrations. Perhaps he'll also show you the "Plinth" Orbos that allegedly make 3x the input, but still won't run themselves on their own electrical output, the issue I addressed in the first video above which _clearly shows_ a measurement of more energy OUT than IN while running. See if he even knows just how much power the rotor actually dissipates while running... it will be even less than what I show in the videos above, since it uses lower friction magnetic bearings and I simply used precision ball bearings. 

I'll be eagerly awaiting the report of your visit.

MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1703 on: April 23, 2015, 10:16:09 PM »
The Orbo company is still on business. I just can't imagine why would they make a fraud claims, as it would damage their business reputation? I am two hours to drive from Dublin. Thinking to contact them to show me that generator :)  I just wish to prove to you two the existence of OU :D

BTW- they work with the correct time propagation of the magnetism in the cores. There are some materials to download on their pages.
What do you not understand about the jury's unanimous verdict against Steorn almost six years ago?  What do you not understand about Steorn never successfully demonstrating to anyone their claimed:  "Always proven to work." magic machines?  Steorn destroyed any reputation they might have had years ago.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1704 on: April 23, 2015, 10:42:09 PM »
The Orbo company is still on business. I just can't imagine why would they make a fraud claims, as it would damage their business reputation? I am two hours to drive from Dublin. Thinking to contact them to show me that generator :)  I just wish to prove to you two the existence of OU :D

BTW- they work with the correct time propagation of the magnetism in the cores. There are some materials to download on their pages.

For all of these "legitimate" free energy companies like Steorn I always bemoan the opportunity loss.  Didn't Steorn promise to design a custom water pump running on free energy for Africa?  (Why not just use one of thousands of readily available pump designs?)  (Sounds like Fix the World.)

I suppose millions of people in Africa have died over the past decade from drought, famine, war, and lack of access to potable water.  And to think that Steorn could have saved then.  Oh well.

John.K1

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1705 on: April 23, 2015, 11:27:42 PM »
What do you not understand about the jury's unanimous verdict against Steorn almost six years ago?  What do you not understand about Steorn never successfully demonstrating to anyone their claimed:  "Always proven to work." magic machines?  Steorn destroyed any reputation they might have had years ago.

That's kinda strange, don't you think?    " In its advertisement in The Economist, Steorn challenged scientists to form an independent jury to test their technology and publish the results."   

Would you do that if you were aware your device is not working?? And if I imagine it is a team with high-tech equipment? They must be completely idiots, or there is something else behind.

Magluvin

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1706 on: April 23, 2015, 11:45:21 PM »
What I found with the orbo setups Ive tried and my solid state orbo, Orbonbon (on YT), is that it takes as much input as a normal coil with a core, turning on the coil enough to neutralize the magnets attraction to the core as it took to saturate the toroid with its coil to allow the magnet to pass the core it was attracted to. The only real effect of the orbo, that a normal coil/core doesnt is there is no affect on the coil from the magnet pass.  Is there an advantage to that?

Maybe there is.  A single regular coil pulse motor set up like the orbo may not be close to 100% eff and the orbo may be closer to 100% eff.

I would have thought that with all their wizardry at Steorn they would have made a bunch of orbo cores around the rotor. That rotor was heavy, what ever kind of bearings they used.

Mags




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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1707 on: April 23, 2015, 11:48:37 PM »

... FALSE CLAIMANT...




TK, youre an Idiot in all senses of the word!

Idiots like you will forget me, until the next me comes along, then you will forget them, and then the same with the next one... But do you know what, we could have had Free Energy machines running all of our homes over a 100 years ago if Idiots like you wernt around!

Like I have pointed out many times, what I have bought to the table is not new, its old!

What I am trying to share is not mine, its just a rediscovery of others life works!!!

So if you criticise me, and make ridiculous brain dead comments about my work, then you are in-fact also making these same ridiculous brain dead comments about their work also!!! This part obviously makes you a Troll and a Villainous Juvenile Idiot!!!

Electrical Engineers from all around the globe have tested and do not dispute the facts I have provided, but you and the Joke of all human life, MarkE does!

Ref: http://www.padrak.com/ine/KOENIG.html

This is part of my work, my work is a carry on of their work.

You're the most FOOLISH Person on the planet after MarkE! Then the other two stooges follow! Can you see TRUST, can you see COMMON SENSE, can you make an educated decision based of verifiable evidence! Can you really be of benefit to anyone that wished to become better for the future? Do you even care about the future?

I am so disheartened that you would be so stupid, deliberately!



MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1708 on: April 23, 2015, 11:53:42 PM »
That's kinda strange, don't you think?    " In its advertisement in The Economist, Steorn challenged scientists to form an independent jury to test their technology and publish the results."   

Would you do that if you were aware your device is not working?? And if I imagine it is a team with high-tech equipment? They must be completely idiots, or there is something else behind.
What don't you understand about the demonstrated facts?

Steorn made a series of false bombastic claims.
Steorn hand picked a jury to evaluate their false bombastic claims.
Steorn's hand picked jury unanimously ruled that Steorn failed to demonstrate against their false bombastic claims.
Steorn has since failed to demonstrate against their false bombastic claims.

Imagine what you want.  Those are indisputable facts.  Steorn's financial reports show that they had about $100. to their name before they came up with their false bombastic claims.  Subsequent to their claims they reported raising and burning about $25 million.

MarkE

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1709 on: April 23, 2015, 11:55:14 PM »
What I found with the orbo setups Ive tried and my solid state orbo, Orbonbon (on YT), is that it takes as much input as a normal coil with a core, turning on the coil enough to neutralize the magnets attraction to the core as it took to saturate the toroid with its coil to allow the magnet to pass the core it was attracted to. The only real effect of the orbo, that a normal coil/core doesnt is there is no affect on the coil from the magnet pass.  Is there an advantage to that?

Maybe there is.  A single regular coil pulse motor set up like the orbo may not be close to 100% eff and the orbo may be closer to 100% eff.

I would have thought that with all their wizardry at Steorn they would have made a bunch of orbo cores around the rotor. That rotor was heavy, what ever kind of bearings they used.

Mags
The Orbo electric motor was a very low efficiency device.  It drove no external load and ran down a big battery.