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EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1635 on: April 21, 2015, 01:52:08 AM »
EM Junkie:   Yes there has been a successful replication and it's causing huge controversy on the forums.
It's Clarence's Barbosa Leal replication which is now on energetic forum to get away from the detractors here.
It's also well documented in Patrick Kelly's latest update.
The trick Clarence saw was to reverse wind the amperage coils on two toroids.  SO each Toroid is effectively a partnered output
coil.
The jury is still out on this one and we will probably need another successful replication to run with this one en masse.

Hi a.king21 - I don't have enough proof, but I believe the "Barbosa Leal" device uses the very same principals. This device, has no Lenz's Law and it does it the same ways I have shown. Simply by using more than ONE Output Coil.

On my private forum we are discussing this currently and some of my Team believe the same. Its the same Tech we are working on.

Actually, some of my Team have reproduced the very same Over Unity Results I have been seeing for some time now. Of course you are a member of and already have access to!

I don't have all the answers but I have a good portion of it, which I have already shared here. I cant yet predict the entire set of variables.

Good Luck Guys - ;0)

   Chris

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1636 on: April 21, 2015, 03:32:25 AM »
Here is a thought experiment for you Chris:

You and your team set up an impressive demo.  It could be with the "partnered output coils" or with a B&L demo where members of your team "have reproduced the very same over unity results."  Then you let someone like TK, or MarkE, or Picowatt or Poynt99 have a go at it and do some serious analysis with a scope and some number crunching.  There is a very very good chance you would see a repeat of what happened here with your bogus circuit and your bogus claims.  All of the members of your team would be in shock when they see how many mistakes they made with respect to their assumptions, their understanding, and their scope measurements.  It would be a jaw-dropping experience for the whole team - another Great Marianas Turkey Shoot.  Heck, chances are even me, an out-of-touch person that hasn't really touched a scope professionally in 24 years now, would be able to find some of the mistakes and pitfalls that led your team to lead themselves down a garden path and arrive at erroneous conclusions.

Like I told you before, you can't pretend to yourself that you know about electronics, you simply can't fake it.  You try to do that in front of a knowledgeable person and you will be spotted in five minutes flat.  You claimed you had many years of experience, but they were "fake years" where you were in your own bubble and stroking yourself.  Then hard reality hit you when you started to debate your circuit on this forum and you encountered some people that really know what they are talking about.

We are simply in search of the truth.  That's the real truth not some kind of "we are an out-of-the-box alternative bunch of guys" truth.  There is only one truth.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1637 on: April 21, 2015, 04:36:55 AM »
Hi a.king21 - I don't have enough proof, but I believe the "Barbosa Leal" device uses the very same principals. This device, has no Lenz's Law and it does it the same ways I have shown. Simply by using more than ONE Output Coil.

On my private forum we are discussing this currently and some of my Team believe the same. Its the same Tech we are working on.

Actually, some of my Team have reproduced the very same Over Unity Results I have been seeing for some time now. Of course you are a member of and already have access to!

I don't have all the answers but I have a good portion of it, which I have already shared here. I cant yet predict the entire set of variables.

Good Luck Guys - ;0)

   Chris
You still do not seem to graps the fact that Lenz's Law refers only to the orientation of induced voltage.  It is Faraday's Law of induction that describes the circumstances under which induction occurs.  And it occurs independently of whether one has one wire/coil, two, or twenty five, and independently of how they are oriented and/or wired together.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1638 on: April 21, 2015, 05:39:03 AM »
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You still do not seem to graps the fact that Lenz's Law refers only to the orientation of induced voltage.  It is Faraday's Law of induction that describes the circumstances under which induction occurs.  And it occurs independently of whether one has one wire/coil, two, or twenty five, and independently of how they are oriented and/or wired together.


Unless of course we are speaking of laws not clearly defined nor predicted by Faraday nor Lenz. Are you familiar with the work of Wilhem Weber?, He was a good friend of another gentleman you may have heard of by the name of Carl Gauss. Brilliant men however not quite as popular as Faraday nor Lenz because they had a few disagreements as is often the case.


You see if we are going to talk about electrodynamics then we must consider all the forces involved and not just the one's we might pick and choose. Personally I prefer primary physics based on the primary forces so I might avoid the kind of one dimensional thinking you seem to prescribe to.


However that is neither here nor there and the one question we should be asking ourselves is... how much progress have I made?. You see the great men named above made great progress despite the objections of others and there simplistic one dimensional thinking and so must we.


In any case there seems to be more and more people making claims, more and more people who seem to be doing quite remarkable things. As such I do not think it will be long before you will have your proof. It's called the "exponential growth of knowledge" and it's it waits for no man. Do yourself a favor and google it, read it, then ask yourself where do you think we will be in ten years?. I can say quite confidently that it will not be here... we will do things we cannot imagine.


Don't get me wrong I understand what your saying but I intend to do so much more, I intend to cause a ruckus and you might consider doing the same. life is short my friend and as always it is what we do which defines us not what we say.


AC

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1639 on: April 21, 2015, 05:48:40 AM »
Here is a thought experiment for you Chris:

MileHigh, we have debated for months.... Unfortunately a "Thought Experiment" is never going to solve the worlds Problems.

Old People sitting at Home, "Thought Experimenting" are not really something I wish to put my future in...

   Chris

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1640 on: April 21, 2015, 05:57:20 AM »
Hello Chris
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Old People sitting at Home, "Thought Experimenting" are not really something I wish to put my future in...


You see in my post I didn't really want to go there and believe me I considered it, the old thing, but there may have been a Kreskin effect going on and if you understand what Kreskin actually means then.... yes your old, lol.


AC

EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1641 on: April 21, 2015, 06:03:21 AM »
You still do not seem to graps the fact that Lenz's Law refers only to the orientation of induced voltage.  It is Faraday's Law of induction that describes the circumstances under which induction occurs.  And it occurs independently of whether one has one wire/coil, two, or twenty five, and independently of how they are oriented and/or wired together.

MarkE - I think this is time for another OMG! You have proven yet again that you don't know what you're talking about.

I am trying to be Kind and Gentle with you here. In all your genius, you simply don't know what you're talking about!

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Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction

Electromagnetic induction was first discovered by Michael Faraday, who made his discovery public in 1831.[2][3] It was discovered independently by Joseph Henry in 1832.[4][5]

In Faraday's first experimental demonstration (August 29, 1831), he wrapped two wires around opposite sides of an iron ring or "torus" (an arrangement similar to a modern toroidal transformer). [6] Based on his assessment of recently discovered properties of electromagnets, he expected that when current started to flow in one wire, a sort of wave would travel through the ring and cause some electrical effect on the opposite side. He plugged one wire into a galvanometer, and watched it as he connected the other wire to a battery. Indeed, he saw a transient current (which he called a "wave of electricity") when he connected the wire to the battery, and another when he disconnected it.[7] This induction was due to the change in magnetic flux that occurred when the battery was connected and disconnected.[1] Within two months, Faraday found several other manifestations of electromagnetic induction. For example, he saw transient currents when he quickly slid a bar magnet in and out of a coil of wires, and he generated a steady (DC) current by rotating a copper disk near the bar magnet with a sliding electrical lead ("Faraday's disk").[8]

Faraday explained electromagnetic induction using a concept he called lines of force. However, scientists at the time widely rejected his theoretical ideas, mainly because they were not formulated mathematically.[9] An exception was Maxwell, who used Faraday's ideas as the basis of his quantitative electromagnetic theory.[9][10][11] In Maxwell's model, the time varying aspect of electromagnetic induction is expressed as a differential equation which Oliver Heaviside referred to as Faraday's law even though it is slightly different from Faraday's original formulation and does not describe motional EMF. Heaviside's version (see Maxwell–Faraday equation below) is the form recognized today in the group of equations known as Maxwell's equations.

Heinrich Lenz formulated the law named after him in 1834, to describe the "flux through the circuit". Lenz's law gives the direction of the induced EMF and current resulting from electromagnetic induction (elaborated upon in the examples below).

Following the understanding brought by these laws, many kinds of device employing magnetic induction have been invented.


As is pointed out above, Lenz Law is simply the Negative Sign in Induction. It is simply a Reflected Magnetic Field back on the Primary Magnetic Field.

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Heinrich Friedrich Emil Lenz (Russian: Эмилий Христианович Ленц) (12 February 1804 – 10 February 1865) was a Russian physicist of Baltic German ethnicity. He is most noted for formulating Lenz's law in electrodynamics in 1833. The symbol L, conventionally representing inductance, is chosen in his honor.[1]

Lenz was born in Dorpat (nowadays Tartu, Estonia), at that time the Governorate of Livonia in the Russian Empire. After completing his secondary education in 1820, Lenz studied chemistry and physics at the University of Dorpat.[2] He traveled with the navigator Otto von Kotzebue on his third expedition around the world from 1823 to 1826. On the voyage Lenz studied climatic conditions and the physical properties of seawater. The results have been published in "Memoirs of the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences" (1831).

After the voyage, Lenz began working at the University of St. Petersburg, Russia, where he later served as the Dean of Mathematics and Physics from 1840 to 1863 and was Rector from 1863 until his death in 1865. Lenz also taught at the Petrischule in 1830 and 1831, and at the Mikhailovskaya Artillery Academy.

Lenz had begun studying electromagnetism in 1831. Besides the law named in his honor, Lenz also independently discovered Joule's law in 1842; to honor his efforts on the problem, it is also given the name the "Joule–Lenz law," named also for James Prescott Joule.

Lenz eagerly participated in development of the electroplating technology, invented by his friend and colleague Moritz von Jacobi. In 1839, Lenz produced several medallions using electrotyping. Along with the electrotyped relief produced by Jacobi the same year, these were the first instances of galvanoplastic sculpture.[3]

Lenz died in Rome, after suffering from a stroke.


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Lenz's Law is one consequence of the principle of conservation of energy. To understand why, consider a permanent magnet that is moved towards the face of a closed loop of wire (eg. a coil or solenoid). An electric current is induced in the wire, because the electrons within it are subjected to an increasing magnetic field as the magnet gets closer and this produces an emf (Electromotive Force) that acts upon them. The direction of the induced current will depend on whether it is the north pole or the south pole of the magnet that is approaching: an approaching north pole will produce an anti-clockwise current (from the perspective of the magnet) while an approaching south pole will produce a clockwise current.

To understand the implications for conservation of energy, suppose that the above description was not true and that the induced currents were produced in the opposite directions to those described. Then, for example, the north pole of an approaching magnet would induce a south pole in the nearest face of the loop. The attractive force between them would accelerate the magnet's approach, and this would make the magnetic field increase more quickly. This would increase the current in the loop, which would produce a stronger induced magnetic field, a bigger force of attraction, yet more acceleration, and so on. Both the kinetic energy of the magnet and the rate of energy dissipation in the loop (due to Joule heating) would increase. A small energy input, to move the magnet forward, would produce a large energy output, which clearly violates the law of conservation of energy.

The above scenario is only one example of electromagnetic induction. Lenz's Law ensures that all induced currents have magnetic fields that oppose the change that induces them.

See electromagnetic induction and Maxwell's equations for a more rigorous mathematical treatment.


I think you really need to polish up on your High School Physics before you make your self look silly again!

   Chris

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1642 on: April 21, 2015, 06:11:23 AM »
Chris:

Based on past and present experience, anything you and your private group would present would be blown out of the water by MarkE and many others.

Go ahead, just polish up a presentation and put it into a pdf and share it publicly.

MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1643 on: April 21, 2015, 06:19:14 AM »
MileHigh, we have debated for months.... Unfortunately a "Thought Experiment" is never going to solve the worlds Problems.

Old People sitting at Home, "Thought Experimenting" are not really something I wish to put my future in...

   Chris

My generation gave you the PC and transformed the world.

Somebody very famous from an earlier generation said, "Some chicken, some neck."

EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1644 on: April 21, 2015, 06:21:03 AM »

In any case there seems to be more and more people making claims, more and more people who seem to be doing quite remarkable things. As such I do not think it will be long before you will have your proof. It's called the "exponential growth of knowledge" and it's it waits for no man.


AC, I have, sometime ago, made my mind up. Proof can always be disputed, no matter what evidence is presented. I could do one video, 100 videos or a million videos, many would dispute no matter what.... There is always something that will be the subject of debate. A cheap meter, too close to the Radio Station, Still presently on Earth, the list of ridiculous excuses goes on and on...

Some will go to their grave still with Eyes Closed!

How many years after Humans Flew did people not believe it? Humans cant Fly! hahaha

MarkE, MileHigh, Fell off the edge of the Earth Lately? Careful you're getting close again.

Please, let me ask you, if a Standard Generator was not subject to Lenz's Law, would it be a Perpetual Energy Machine?

I know the answer!

   Chris

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1645 on: April 21, 2015, 06:22:29 AM »
AC, I have, sometime ago, made my mind up. Proof can always be disputed, no matter what evidence is presented. I could do one video, 100 videos or a million videos, many would dispute no matter what.... There is always something that will be the subject of debate. A cheap meter, too close to the Radio Station, Still presently on Earth, the list of ridiculous excuses goes on and on...

Some will go to their grave still with Eyes Closed!

How many years after Humans Flew did people not believe it? Humans cant Fly! hahaha

MarkE, MileHigh, Fell off the edge of the Earth Lately? Careful you're getting close again.

Please, let me ask you, if a Standard Generator was not subject to Lenz's Law, would it be a Perpetual Energy Machine?

I know the answer!

   Chris

You have a problem Chris.  The "They said people would never fly" argument is wrong.  Just do the research and don't just repeat what you have heard like a drone.  The argument is false - start thinking and researching and if you do it right you will never repeat that old cliche again.

Your problem in a nutshell is that you puffed your chest out and boasted about your knowledge and prowess, but after just a few days on the forum engaging with you it became readily apparent that your electronics knowledge, after several years of self study and hosting your own web site, was about a two out of ten.   That's it, 2/10.  Hence you were unable to answer a question about an electronics circuit that consisted of a power supply and one single component.  Repeat: one single component.

If you don't understand how a circuit works that makes use of one single component, why should anybody believe that you have a circuit that produces free energy?

You are just bluff and pretense Chris.  There is just no substance behind the bluff and bluster.  Did you see the movie Ed Wood?

I hope you take my suggestion to heart and create a definitive pdf with your "discovery."  We can have a look at that and see what happens.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1646 on: April 21, 2015, 06:23:12 AM »
Chris:

Based on past and present experience, anything you and your private group would present would be blown out of the water by MarkE and many others.

Go ahead, just polish up a presentation and put it into a pdf and share it publicly.

MileHigh

MileHigh - We are private, no sharing publicly, sorry. We are a bunch of Friends all working for a common cause, with none of this type of singular mind set.

   Chris

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1647 on: April 21, 2015, 06:29:00 AM »
Chris:

You claiming that MarkE and MileHigh do not know what they are talking about only makes you look even more silly than you already look here.
You continue to make statements as if they were facts and yet, can not offer any proof of them whatsoever.  This puts you in the same group as all of the others that have claimed O.U. and later were proved not to be anywhere close.

Wake me up if/when you actually show something/anything that might resemble proof.  Until then, you really should stop making claims.

Bill

EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1648 on: April 21, 2015, 06:35:23 AM »
My generation gave you the PC and transformed the world.

Somebody very famous from an earlier generation said, "Some chicken, some neck."

MileHigh,

The PC did not fix the worlds Problems unfortunately.

Many great quote's are present in the world, never heard of your quote.

One quote I like:


MileHigh

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #1649 on: April 21, 2015, 06:42:25 AM »
It's the guy that saved your behind!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJrQuKlktv8