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Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 2018080 times)

Offline picowatt

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #150 on: January 22, 2015, 09:05:41 PM »
Hello,

let us have some closer look to the measurement in question here for the sake of cooling down misunderstandings and accompanying emotions.

What is allowed at point B ( no DC-component exists in bucking coils, as far as I can see it in the vid, thus AC-coupling) is not allowed at point A

Thus this measurement is comparing apples with peaches

.... and this comment of mine is not to be debated :-)

Regards

Kator01

EMJunkie,

Regarding inaccuracies due to the improper use of AC coupling, it is not just about losing the DC component.  Waveforms which have any asymmetry will also drift above or below the zero V reference level and produce inaccurate results.  If your waveforms have no DC component AND they are very close to perfectly symmetrical above and below the 'scope's signal ground, the use of AC coupling will produce minimal errors.  However, until you fully understand this, it would be best to just stick with using DC coupling.

As far as debating any of your measurements, after reading this entire thread and looking at your videos and documents, I see no measurements to debate.  The video from which the scope shot appears to be from only tells us the input power was around 1 watt (assuming the DC supply displaying 5V @.2A is the only supply powering the device).  Output power cannot be determined from the video without knowing the bulb's (very non-linear) resistance during the test.  As Gotoluc suggested, using a fixed non-inductive resistor of a known value for the load would have given everyone some idea of the device's output power. 

If I have missed some input/output power measurements that support your claims would you please direct me to them?

Thanks,

PW   

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #150 on: January 22, 2015, 09:05:41 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #151 on: January 22, 2015, 09:11:24 PM »
@MarkE,

I think this is very reasonable for most experiments! There is a lot to learn for such a simple experiment. Bucking Coils, or Partnered Output Coils, do a lot of things, little adjustments can change the whole operation.

When people are ready to start measuring they yes if you could layout some basic guidelines then this would be greatly appreciated!

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Are you saying that you have yet to measure the input and output average power levels?  I was under the impression that you were claiming 1.7X overunity.  Is that incorrect?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #152 on: January 22, 2015, 09:54:47 PM »
Anyone has an explanation for the decrease in input power when the output is shorted? It does remind me of the bedini in which current decreases as rpm increases, but that isn't a free energy device.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #152 on: January 22, 2015, 09:54:47 PM »
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Offline SkyWatcher123

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #153 on: January 22, 2015, 09:58:50 PM »
Hi folks, Hi wistiti, you could try this simple inverter circuit, i had my own drawn, can't find it and the other forum is down to recopy it.
This one is readable enough, you can adjust resistors to change frequency. There is another version that uses capacitors that is more adjustable.
I will be using this to drive the parallel wire (aka bifilar) primary inducer.
peace love light

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #154 on: January 22, 2015, 10:15:01 PM »
Are you saying that you have yet to measure the input and output average power levels?  I was under the impression that you were claiming 1.7X overunity.  Is that incorrect?

@MarkE,

NO - Yet again you have taken my words out of context. ANOTHER MarkE Assumption!

A Reminder, this thread is not to discuss "Measurements"!

I was merely suggesting if you wished to help later on, you would be welcome!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #155 on: January 22, 2015, 10:22:13 PM »
EMJunkie,

Regarding inaccuracies due to the improper use of AC coupling, it is not just about losing the DC component.  Waveforms which have any asymmetry will also drift above or below the zero V reference level and produce inaccurate results.  If your waveforms have no DC component AND they are very close to perfectly symmetrical above and below the 'scope's signal ground, the use of AC coupling will produce minimal errors.  However, until you fully understand this, it would be best to just stick with using DC coupling.

As far as debating any of your measurements, after reading this entire thread and looking at your videos and documents, I see no measurements to debate.  The video from which the scope shot appears to be from only tells us the input power was around 1 watt (assuming the DC supply displaying 5V @.2A is the only supply powering the device).  Output power cannot be determined from the video without knowing the bulb's (very non-linear) resistance during the test.  As Gotoluc suggested, using a fixed non-inductive resistor of a known value for the load would have given everyone some idea of the device's output power. 

If I have missed some input/output power measurements that support your claims would you please direct me to them?

Thanks,

PW

@Picowatt,

Ok, I am getting frustrated with your continual distraction!

If you're trying to help, this thread is the wrong place for the topic you're trying to impose on people - If you're deliberately distracting others here filling this thread with NON topic Piffle, I will have no choice to report you to moderators!

Please revise your attitude and get over your long lived love of anal pain!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #156 on: January 22, 2015, 10:35:05 PM »
Hi folks, Hi wistiti, you could try this simple inverter circuit, i had my own drawn, can't find it and the other forum is down to recopy it.
This one is readable enough, you can adjust resistors to change frequency. There is another version that uses capacitors that is more adjustable.
I will be using this to drive the parallel wire (aka bifilar) primary inducer.
peace love light

@SkyWatcher123,

Yes Sir! Another excellent example on how one can achieve a Driver!

A Cross Coupled Oscillator is also another way!

For those with Electronic Skills not at this level yet, don't fear! An Audio Amp or H-Bridge will do the trick! EBay or like Alan suggested www.dx.com

Items are really cheap today, 10 - 20$ will get you started! - Don't go spending a ton of money, there is no need to, keep it simple! Keep it Cheap!

Note: Ignore values in the attached schematic! You can change these to suit the desired frequency! Resistors may not be needed depending on the Fett's or Transistors used!

Kind Regards

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #157 on: January 22, 2015, 10:52:55 PM »
Ok, I am getting frustrated with your continual distraction!

Please revise your attitude and get over your long lived love of anal pain!

Kind Regards

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@Chris: Initially I was interested in your idea (partnered output coils), but after carefully reading your posts in this thread and your web site and watching some of your videos, I can only find double talk and deliberate evasion concerning reliable input output measurements.

"This thread is not to discuss measurements" what a silly phrase, everything in OU is about measurements. Asserting a cop of 1.7 is no light matter. In case you can not support this claim with credible measurements (best with a third party verification), it is just silly talk.

And your aggressive reaction to questions concerning this apparent short coming is very unprofessional.

You will not find many people working along your ideas unless you change your attitude.

Who would want to wast time on a thing that has never been measured carefully and intelligently?

I have no problem with ideas which have not been measured carefully, but on should say so clearly and at the beginning of a discussion. And it looks really bad if the truth comes out only after a lengthy truth finding process with verbal aggression thrown in.

Why is it, that persons asserting OU never want to answer straight forward question and never want to do the obvious (namely present reliable measurements)?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #158 on: January 22, 2015, 11:16:08 PM »
@Chris: Initially I was interested in your idea (partnered output coils), but after carefully reading your posts in this thread and your web site and watching some of your videos, I can only find double talk and deliberate evasion concerning reliable input output measurements.

"This thread is not to discuss measurements" what a silly phrase, everything in OU is about measurements. Asserting a cop of 1.7 is no light matter. In case you can not support this claim with credible measurements (best with a third party verification), it is just silly talk.

And your aggressive reaction to questions concerning this apparent short coming is very unprofessional.

You will not find many people working along your ideas unless you change your attitude.

Who would want to wast time on a thing that has never been measured carefully and intelligently?

I have no problem with ideas which have not been measured carefully, but on should say so clearly and at the beginning of a discussion. And it looks really bad if the truth comes out only after a lengthy truth finding process with verbal aggression thrown in.

Why is it, that persons asserting OU never want to answer straight forward question and never want to do the obvious (namely present reliable measurements)?

Greetings, Conrad

@conradelektro

I have noted your opinion.

If only people understood why I have evaded this ongoing Measurement issue!

I have built many devices that were not OU, it is only after an understanding of how this works, how to adjust for the best response, how to drive efficiently and a myriad of other things, that one can go to the next step!

So much impatience!

Feel free to move on and investigate other areas of research - I don't mind! It really is up to you!

No one should expect OU from their first device! Anyone that does, they are kidding themselves! Of course, it may happen at the same time if all I have shared has been followed!

I have given everyone the How is works, the Why it works, and also explained the concepts behind the achieving an excess in Extra Energy on the Output.

Its up to them what they do with it. One may be able to lead a Horse to Water but one can not make it drink!

Kind Regards

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #158 on: January 22, 2015, 11:16:08 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #159 on: January 22, 2015, 11:22:20 PM »
@ALL,

It is really important that anyone experimenting on this technology understand How and Why this Technology Works! Really important!

For those sitting in the background, not building a device, you can not possibly understand this! Its only through working on this that an understanding can be achieved! It is however these people that make the most noise!

Don't set the Bar too high to begin with! Just make it work first!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #160 on: January 22, 2015, 11:41:27 PM »



   I've been looking at this forum since 2005 and Conrad is dead right. Virtually all the claims made
have resulted from inaccurate measurements although several have been downright frauds.
   Much credit must be given to the scientists/engineers who have patiently advised less capable
experimenters with their projects, show them the respect they deserve.
   There is a wealth of pertinent information out there and no end of things can be done with paper
and pencil. Use your hard earned cash wisely.
                         John.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #160 on: January 22, 2015, 11:41:27 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #161 on: January 22, 2015, 11:49:37 PM »


   I've been looking at this forum since 2005 and Conrad is dead right. Virtually all the claims made
have resulted from inaccurate measurements although several have been downright frauds.
   Much credit must be given to the scientists/engineers who have patiently advised less capable
experimenters with their projects, show them the respect they deserve.
   There is a wealth of pertinent information out there and no end of things can be done with paper
and pencil. Use your hard earned cash wisely.
                         John.

Hi John,

I am not disagreeing with Conrad!

I am sharing what I have learned. There is a ton of supporting information. This is an avenue that will be worth perusing for the patient.

Forgetting about the claims just for a minute, there is a lot of other things to learn here that are nothing to do with the claims I have provided.

Now back to the claims, really what I have given is not anything to do with others! If they want to prove me wrong then get on the bench and work! You just never know what the end result may be!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #162 on: January 23, 2015, 12:11:13 AM »
Guys,
 
We should help Chris in this endeavour. He is kindly and openly offering the findings of his work. Let´s be constructive. Let´s get rid off personal fights. I have been following Chris for the last months and he has compiled a lot of work about overunity devices. I have seen those bucking coils in many designs. Maybe it is the common denominator that we all are searching in all those designs. Just a link to see this point:
 http://pvb.pavlabor.net/SE/FreeEnergy_27.01.08/%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5/Energy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80/magnetbeschleuniger.htm
 
The first finding by skywalker that the pulsed DC amperage decrease when shortcircuiting the output is important enough to research this subject. I would like but I do not have an scope.
 
Kind regards

@ALL,

I recommend to all following, to visit and skim through the Diagrams and sketches from the link that Hanon very kindly provided!

Google Translate can also translate if you want to have a read: Translated on Google!

Thanks again Hanon!

Kind Regards

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #163 on: January 23, 2015, 12:11:41 AM »
Anyone has an explanation for the decrease in input power when the output is shorted? It does remind me of the bedini in which current decreases as rpm increases, but that isn't a free energy device.

@Alan,

Sorry, I missed your post. Found now  :)

Look this is a good point!

Paul Raymond Jensen - The UDT! This is the best example I have found! Read Here-->A Free Energy Device

Bedini's G-Field Generator, same Tech maybe not configured the same but the ideas are the same!

Jim Murray, same thing. He can short his motors and what happens, motor speeds up and sometimes becomes uncontrollable!

Kromrey Converter, Same tech - not OU in my opinion simply because the input to drive the motor is too high. This said, some claim OU here!

What I am sharing is not new, its old, its not very well known to many!

An "understanding of this technology", being shared to people is new, this is what I am trying to do, since no-one else seems to be doing it!

Anyone has an explanation for the decrease in input power when the output is shorted?

Alan and others,

Why - The input is supported by the output - Magnetic Fields that is! Lenz's Law is reduced. The Input Coil has a Magnetic Field in the Reverse to the Partnered Output Coil that it is Exciting. The Opposing Partnered Output Coil Supports the Inputs Magnetic Field. So in terms of simple math: 1 - 1 + 1 = 1

Does this sort of make sense? The Magnetic Fields all work together to Self-Assist the operation of the Device!

"Sweet was also a transformer designer and expert, and he remarked that he had also observed specialized self-oscillation in certain transformers."

Ref:  Energy From The Vacuum by Tom Bearden

"On rare occasions, Sweet saw this effect, called self-oscillation, occur in electric transformers"   

Ref: http://merlib.org/node/5282


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #164 on: January 23, 2015, 01:12:06 AM »
@Picowatt,

Ok, I am getting frustrated with your continual distraction!

If you're trying to help, this thread is the wrong place for the topic you're trying to impose on people - If you're deliberately distracting others here filling this thread with NON topic Piffle, I will have no choice to report you to moderators!

Please revise your attitude and get over your long lived love of anal pain!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Please note that my post was in direct response to YOUR comments regarding your 'scope's connections and your apparent defense of using AC coupling.

Also, as you have not pointed me to where they can be found, should I assume that you have not yet provided any input/output measurements?

PW


 

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