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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #135 on: January 22, 2015, 08:01:44 AM »
But until then i will try your way sky (joule thief primary) on a tv yoke. I am tinking to wind each partner secondary on is respective half of the yoke and then wound the bifilar primary over one partner coil(or one half yoke).

Hey Guys,

If you don't mind, just so we don't confuse others, maybe we can call the other filament a Trigger Coil?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #135 on: January 22, 2015, 08:01:44 AM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #136 on: January 22, 2015, 08:30:01 AM »
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I actually already know what they are talking about, problem is, I have already checked and it does not apply.... DC Offset = none! Change in the Wave does not occur from DC to AC like they were suggesting!

Yes, it is clear from the single scope shot that you posted that your waveforms _of that device in that test_ are fairly symmetrical so that the "average" would not change much at that vertical scale between coupling modes. We'll just have to take your word for it that there isn't any DC offset. This does not mean that you are doing your measurements properly, just that you are lucky.

I wasn't even the first one to bring this issue up, you know. You have been told by at least 5 people (PIH123, MileHigh, picowatt, gotoluc, and me), _with references_, that you should be using DC coupling, and why. So hopefully since you "already know what they are talking about" you will do it correctly in the future, should you decide to discuss _measurements_ that might support your claims.

Now let's see if you understand the difference between a decoupling capacitor and the AC-coupling capacitor in the oscilloscope.

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Everyone knows this capacitor is just a decoupling cap!

ORLY? Which "everyone" would that be? Is it usual practice to put a "decoupling cap" IN SERIES with a probe doing a measurement that will be used in a power computation? Let's see some references for that, if you don't mind. What is the difference between a high-pass filter and a decoupling capacitor?

I'm not discussing your _measurements_ here, EMJunkie. After all, you haven't provided many to discuss, just that one scope screen with partial information and the _claim_, unsupported, of COP 1.7 in your pdf. I'm discussing your demonstrated lack of knowledge about measurements, your oscilloscope, the functions of capacitors in circuits, your support of Bill Alek, and stuff like that.  When I see you posting stuff that I know is false, I'll speak up about it. In response to PIH123, who first brought up the issue (with a good outside reference), you responded,
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It depends on the setup. If the Output is AC then AC is needed on the scope. Vice Versa...
And that's false, and it is misleading to others who might be trying to learn to use an oscilloscope properly. It's a profound _disservice_ to everybody to let stuff like that pass by.


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #137 on: January 22, 2015, 09:59:03 AM »
@TinselKoala - A fair bit more constructive than the last post. Lets see if we can get somewhere in the next few posts?

Yes, it is clear from the single scope shot that you posted that your waveforms _of that device in that test_ are fairly symmetrical so that the "average" would not change much at that vertical scale between coupling modes. We'll just have to take your word for it that there isn't any DC offset. This does not mean that you are doing your measurements properly, just that you are lucky.

Ok, I hear you, again, the display of the scope was not for the purpose of "Measurement" it was to show the wav forms and what people might expect in their devices depending on their setups.

I wasn't even the first one to bring this issue up, you know. You have been told by at least 5 people (PIH123, MileHigh, picowatt, gotoluc, and me), _with references_, that you should be using DC coupling, and why. So hopefully since you "already know what they are talking about" you will do it correctly in the future, should you decide to discuss _measurements_ that might support your claims.

I responded to PIH123 with the same shortness and abruptness - I am here trying to share something that is quite different, not bang dicks on measurements!

Now let's see if you understand the difference between a decoupling capacitor and the AC-coupling capacitor in the oscilloscope.

Is this a test? Why would you want to go here? Noise or transient protection or decoupling from part of the circuit vs Signal or Voltage (could be considered the same thing) to couple Circuits together....

ORLY? Which "everyone" would that be? Is it usual practice to put a "decoupling cap" IN SERIES with a probe doing a measurement that will be used in a power computation? Let's see some references for that, if you don't mind. What is the difference between a high-pass filter and a decoupling capacitor?

OK, I admit, I should have spend more time here, I was trying to get rid of this silly! Concentrate on the topic at hand!

I'm not discussing your _measurements_ here, EMJunkie. After all, you haven't provided many to discuss, just that one scope screen with partial information and the _claim_, unsupported, of COP 1.7 in your pdf.

TinselKoala, my claims and what we are doing here will end up in one result in the end. Either people will adopt this and work and move forward, or it will de-rail and end in a train wreak! I don't want it to, but unfortunately its going this way now.

If one is to claim something, its not up to others to outright destroy credibility's of others to try to publicly make a fool of, to shut down the claim. I have seen this so many times in this forum! Maybe simply agreeing to disagree could be enough?

I'm discussing your demonstrated lack of knowledge about measurements, your oscilloscope, the functions of capacitors in circuits, your support of Bill Alek, and stuff like that. 

1: You don't know what I know and don't know! How could you?
2: I never claimed to be an Expert in Electronics, I know enough to get by most of the time.
3: I know exactly what a Cap can do and cant in a circuit!
4: Bill and I have had communications before. I trust Bill, I know he would never mislead others. Besides I know the storey behind How Bill got onto this technology and where it actually came from! If I told you, you would not believe me!
5: I have researched this stuff for a long time! I believe I have something to share that is of value!

When I see you posting stuff that I know is false, I'll speak up about it. In response to PIH123, who first brought up the issue (with a good outside reference), you responded, And that's false, and it is misleading to others who might be trying to learn to use an oscilloscope properly.

Yes, I agree, if its wrong then please correct me as you have tried to here now. If I may give you some advice, maybe try to approach it a slightly different way?

On this, I was always taught to use the correct coupling, AC for AC and DC for DC, its just something I was always told. I believe this to be MOSTY true even now! I was taught by an Old School genius. I know that its not always correct to do so but mostly it is! After all, why else would scopes have both AC and DC Coupling?

I was told RMS Values can be incorrect if DC Coupling is used, Math Functions can be obscured, and also that there are other issues with trace triggering...

This is of course after any underlying issues can be eliminated first.

So please, if this is all rubbish please correct me and I will go back to who taught me and stick the stick in them!

It's a profound _disservice_ to everybody to let stuff like that pass by.

Look, TinselKoala, this line is what got my attention! I respect you for this line! I completely agree 100% If something is wrong we need to work together to correct it and we should not bicker and piss each other off! Banging Dicks is not constructive and really it will not get us anywhere.

So, TinselKoala, do you want to try to help us out here? Are you keen to try to help us get to critical mass?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #137 on: January 22, 2015, 09:59:03 AM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #138 on: January 22, 2015, 10:01:46 AM »
@ALL,

Please keep the voting in the poll going if you have not already!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #139 on: January 22, 2015, 10:25:40 AM »
@ALL

I was put onto a URL that has an interesting experiment on it. Since, I have looked at the channel and found there are more interesting Videos there!

Thanks Tibal!

Check out the Channel as well as the Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGmow-MGGQ

From my experience, this guy is right about some of it but not all. Worth watching to see what this guy thinks...

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #139 on: January 22, 2015, 10:25:40 AM »
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Offline Jeg

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #140 on: January 22, 2015, 11:45:11 AM »
@ALL

I was put onto a URL that has an interesting experiment on it. Since, I have looked at the channel and found there are more interesting Videos there!

Thanks Tibal!

Check out the Channel as well as the Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGmow-MGGQ

From my experience, this guy is right about some of it but not all. Worth watching to see what this guy thinks...

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Hi EmJunkie

Before a month when i have first read your pdf, i was curious about Stan's setup so in a very quick trial i tested this topology on a tv yoke core. The output indeed behaves like a spark gap. With an oscilloscope at the output without cell (cap), what i have got was a high dc voltage which was superimposed by a high frequency signal, oscillating at the edge of this dc voltage. Unfortunately i didn't continue this as i am in the middle of an other project, but it looked quite interesting for experimentation.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #141 on: January 22, 2015, 12:31:50 PM »
 Guys,
 
We should help Chris in this endeavour. He is kindly and openly offering the findings of his work. Let´s be constructive. Let´s get rid off personal fights. I have been following Chris for the last months and he has compiled a lot of work about overunity devices. I have seen those bucking coils in many designs. Maybe it is the common denominator that we all are searching in all those designs. Just a link to see this point:
 http://pvb.pavlabor.net/SE/FreeEnergy_27.01.08/%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5/Energy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80/magnetbeschleuniger.htm
 
The first finding by skywalker that the pulsed DC amperage decrease when shortcircuiting the output is important enough to research this subject. I would like but I do not have an scope.
 
Kind regards
 

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #141 on: January 22, 2015, 12:31:50 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #142 on: January 22, 2015, 01:20:34 PM »
Would not the first point of order be to establish that there is apparently over unity as observed using some reasonable measurement method?

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #143 on: January 22, 2015, 03:33:20 PM »
Hi Em!
Dont worry; i know the triger coil is a single wire. But until i receive the part i have ordered an can make it the original way, i take what is lyng around to experiment with.
I just think the joulethief is an easy way to trigger a coil. But am aware it is a way over the frequency you say and probably the magnetism create by a bifilar is not what we look for... Maybe it's better to trigger a single wire coil with a transistor and a 555 chip... i have some on hand.
Anyway my apologize if i confuse people. just still experimenting.
Ciao!

Hey Wistiti,

Please NOT Bifilar, no such thing used in these devices!!!

All Coils are Single Filament Standard Wound Coils with only one difference, One of the Secondary Coils is wound in a different direction to the first! EG: Partnered output Coils

Please check my pdf as to why we should NOT be using the term!!!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #143 on: January 22, 2015, 03:33:20 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #144 on: January 22, 2015, 06:07:41 PM »
Is this one any good for starting out with, or can you recommend a better one on dx.com?

m.dx.com/p/DetailMore?sku=309714&tabIndex=2

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #145 on: January 22, 2015, 06:56:42 PM »
Hello,

let us have some closer look to the measurement in question here for the sake of cooling down misunderstandings and accompanying emotions.

What is allowed at point B ( no DC-component exists in bucking coils, as far as I can see it in the vid, thus AC-coupling) is not allowed at point A

Thus this measurement is comparing apples with peaches

.... and this comment of mine is not to be debated :-)

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #145 on: January 22, 2015, 06:56:42 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #146 on: January 22, 2015, 08:33:42 PM »
Guys,
 
We should help Chris in this endeavour. He is kindly and openly offering the findings of his work. Let´s be constructive. Let´s get rid off personal fights. I have been following Chris for the last months and he has compiled a lot of work about overunity devices. I have seen those bucking coils in many designs. Maybe it is the common denominator that we all are searching in all those designs. Just a link to see this point:
 http://pvb.pavlabor.net/SE/FreeEnergy_27.01.08/%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5/Energy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80/magnetbeschleuniger.htm
 
The first finding by skywalker that the pulsed DC amperage decrease when shortcircuiting the output is important enough to research this subject. I would like but I do not have an scope.
 
Kind regards

Hi Hanon,

Good Link Thanks!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #147 on: January 22, 2015, 08:35:17 PM »
Is this one any good for starting out with, or can you recommend a better one on dx.com?

m.dx.com/p/DetailMore?sku=309714&tabIndex=2

Hey Alan,

Yes, looks good!

Not a bad price too! 200Watts for 17$

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #148 on: January 22, 2015, 08:38:45 PM »
Would not the first point of order be to establish that there is apparently over unity as observed using some reasonable measurement method?

@MarkE,

I think this is very reasonable for most experiments! There is a lot to learn for such a simple experiment. Bucking Coils, or Partnered Output Coils, do a lot of things, little adjustments can change the whole operation.

When people are ready to start measuring they yes if you could layout some basic guidelines then this would be greatly appreciated!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #149 on: January 22, 2015, 08:42:06 PM »
Hello,

let us have some closer look to the measurement in question here for the sake of cooling down misunderstandings and accompanying emotions.

What is allowed at point B ( no DC-component exists in bucking coils, as far as I can see it in the vid, thus AC-coupling) is not allowed at point A

Thus this measurement is comparing apples with peaches

.... and this comment of mine is not to be debated :-)

Regards

Kator01


@Kator01

Thanks for your post!

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