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## Solid States Devices => Kapanadze devices and replications => Topic started by: pomodoro on January 06, 2015, 08:30:01 PM

Title: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: pomodoro on January 06, 2015, 08:30:01 PM
The first time I saw this circuit was is an article by the Russian OU 'expert' Frolov although I am sure it has appeared  countless times before throughout the decades.  The diagram below was ripped from the Barbosa thread - (thanks to the original author!)
The Frolov one is even more spectacular as it has no antenna,  one of the secondary's leads is simply left  disconnected, while the other lead sparks against a metallic object.

The claim is that since the secondary is disconnected , the spark will draw no current from the primary, and therefore, we have free energy.

I definitely believe that it will draw power because the 'antenna'  (which at 50hz would be far to short to be a real antenna)  or for the Frolov case,  the disconnected lead,  form a capacitor to the ground. The metallic object does the same.  So the spark  is between the leads and the metal with two series connected capacitors in between.
But will the spark or an arc occur with a well isolated, ungrounded  50kV DC source, leaving the negative terminal  free and moving an isolated metal piece near the positive. just as in the AC circuit? Of course not, proving the necessity of having capacitance and AC, since the impedance of the capacitors is proportional to 1/frequency. The higher the frequency, or/and the ac voltage(dV/dt) , the less resistance the capacitors have towards the flow of current.

Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 18, 2015, 04:00:24 PM

I definitely believe that it will draw power because the 'antenna' (which at 50hz would be far to short to be a real antenna) or for the Frolov case, the disconnected lead, form a capacitor to the ground. The metallic object does the same. So the spark is between the leads and the metal with two series connected capacitors in between.

Correct theory, the antenna and the ground or a metallic object form a capacitor. BUT ... that capacitor (with widely spaced plates) goes through the ambient medium (it is embedded in the ambient medium), and that ambient medium is said to be containing (free) energy (otherwise the configuration with two Avramenko plugs (http://www.overunity.com/13721/energy-from-the-ground-self-powered-generator-by-barbosa-and-leal/dlattach/attach/145170/) would not work). Hence - in the ideal case - we have an electric circuit comprising a capacitor constantly recharging with energy coming from the ambient medium.

Interestingly, for some reason, the configuration of the antenna-ground capacitor has to be asymmetrical. Not two antennas, not two metallic objects, but an antenna on one end and a chunk of metal (or ground or heating pipe etc.) on the other end of the source of potential change. If this were about simply having a capacitor then a chunk of metal instead of a thin antenna wire would have a lot more surface area in order to form a capacitor to the ground.

Could it be that we should avoid any capacitance between antenna and ground but still having an antenna? Thus we need a large antenna surface to make good contact with space but nearly zero capacitance to ground? The capacitance between antenna and ground (or a piece of metal) shorts the circuit, but a closed electric circuit is exactly that what we NOT want, because a closed circuit prevents the flow of the ambient energy into our circuit. You can't get new water into a closed water pipe circuit, can you? Just a quick consideration.

In theory (maybe also in practice) the electric potential of the 50Hz high voltage circuit merges with the scalar potential of the environment. This mergence then can result in an energy flow from the scalar potential of the environment to the electrical potential of the 50Hz circuit; as presented by Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa (et al.), no hard evidence of trickery could ever be found.

By the way: What is the conventional purpose of those 3-phase transformers (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8zSMXMo2hs)? Stepping down the 3-phase high voltage (maybe 5 to 10KV) coming in from the power station to 380V 3-phase in order to power the 3-phase machines in the workshop? If so, then each of these transformers should contain three 380V coils and three some-KV coils.

Hence, what could happen when a 50Hz resonant LC circuit comprises a high voltage coil insted of a low voltage coil?

Regards
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: shylo on February 19, 2015, 01:13:17 AM
Interesting, I haven't seen this before but I think it fits with something I've been seeing in my exps.
The more you can short a single output ,in the same time frame, the more you collect.
If done at the right time ,and the right speed , it wont affect input.
Any links to what these guys were doing?
Thanks artv
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 19, 2015, 03:10:25 AM

Stepanov - Power Amplifier "STEHO" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hCkwWhIyvc)

Nilson Barbosa:

Inventors Harness Free Energy with New Device (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvcrqODpDY4)

Henry T. Moray:

The Toriodal Power Unit:

Free energy TPU (Steve Marks) part1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MYVmtF4JYg)

Dr. Schwartz:

Dr. Schwartz Free Energy Electromagnetic Generator (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VKHFnkDf54)

It seems that all these devices are working on the very same basic principle.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: TinselKoala on February 19, 2015, 04:50:29 AM
You got that right.

Funny, isn't it, that there are no videos of any of them actually running their homes or labs on the output of any of their devices. Why is that?

I know why, and so do you.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: vasik041 on February 19, 2015, 11:48:34 AM
So, why is that?  ;)
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: TinselKoala on February 19, 2015, 01:03:35 PM
So, why is that?  ;)

Really? You pretend not to know? Then I'll tell you.

It is because _they cannot_.

Why can't they, you may ask next? Obviously it is because the Men In Black from the Oil Company won't let them. Right? Only YouTube demonstrations full of flaws are allowed by the Men In Black. Site visits for examination by competent third parties, submissions for testing to University engineering departments, scientific papers in legitimate peer-reviewed science journals... none of that is allowed by the Men In Black. Only poor quality demonstrations on YouTube are allowed.

Not a single one of those devices is in production, for sale, or used by your local utility company, not a single one of the "inventors" has gotten wealthy from his invention -- except maybe the convicted fraudster Rossi -- , not a single one has even been replicated by other people, and thousands have tried over the years.

Those Men In Black sure are powerful, aren't they, reaching out into the labs of so many unknown researchers and somehow magically preventing them from making replications that work as the originals are supposed to.

Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: pomodoro on February 19, 2015, 01:30:11 PM
Cold fusion had plenty of funding. Universities got loads of funding. I guess all those PhDs that faked the bad results are now employed by the MIB! There could well be some interference, but its not as much as people think.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: vasik041 on February 19, 2015, 01:33:22 PM
Thank you for the answer, TinselKoala.
It is always intersting to know what other people think.

What about Henry T. Moray ?
He not using his device obviosly because he is dead.
Ofcourse, we can't know it for sure, but according to the internet his device was real.

For me it seems that you have strong skeptical bias...
:-(
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 19, 2015, 02:10:04 PM
I know why, and so do you.

And so do I.

Because such a video would make no difference. A video showing a closed box in the basement and then showing a TV in the living room allegedly powered for free by that box in the basement would not really contribute to anyone's credibility.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: pomodoro on February 19, 2015, 02:47:27 PM
Thank you for the answer, TinselKoala.
It is always intersting to know what other people think.

What about Henry T. Moray ?
He not using his device obviosly because he is dead.
Ofcourse, we can't know it for sure, but according to the internet his device was real.

For me it seems that you have strong skeptical bias...
:-(

I have been interested in Moray's work for a long time and my research is along his lines.  Was he receiving unknown waves, coupling to distant thunderbolts, capturing cosmic rays or was he stimulating some radioactive phenomenon or ionic oscillations? Those countless affidavits you can find on the net got my interest initially.But are they real? Everything about how it worked is pure speculation nobody knows, no matter how authoritative they sound. Some of his own words don't make sense. In one booklet he refers to someone called yarom, I figured that's his name backwards. He filled his booklets with different scientific theories each time. I'm not 100% sure but I'm leaning on the snake oil side and the experiments I'm doing will convince me one way or the other.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on February 19, 2015, 07:20:24 PM
Collection of quotes

cosmoLV: (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg305184/#subject_305184) »I know how Tariel device working and i know how to build it«

cosmoLV: (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311495/#subject_311495) »what has Tariel say at that time was that device is very simple«

cosmoLV: (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg311502/#subject_311502) »Remember 220 volts goes in and 220 volts goes out«

cosmoLV: (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg312925/#subject_312925) »Also output transformer is not transformer but choke«

cosmoLV: (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg312730/#subject_312730) »in three-phase system and in complex, you can make a Virtual Ground«

cosmoLV: (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg257825/#subject_257825) »Most closest systems and setups to device are MEG and Flynn device but MEG i think is the closest«

cosmoLV: (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg258518/#subject_258518) »the strange thing is that spark fly in from somewhere into sparkgap«

cosmoLV: (http://www.overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg304817/#subject_304817) »this device is not a toy, it has a big deal to change our lives and it need to be done in smart way«

»Smart way« could mean: Do not listen to the Men In Black in the forums, because they will distract you with their overcomplicated experiments and schematics.

Avramenko plug experiment from cosmoLV image collection with a coil between, not a capacitor. Hmmm ...
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Bob Smith on August 04, 2016, 12:32:36 AM
Interesting that the AV plug in the image above leads to an inductor with a (presumably) ferrite core. We see a fairly heavy gauge wire on that inductor as well. At any rate, I have found that pulsed DC to an AV plug to a ferrite core inductor produces an interesting effect. My inductor was wound as a high impedance coil ~30 AWG (versus the heavier gauge inductor in the photo), roughly 300 turns on a 1.5 inch x 1\4" core cylindrical core.

With a high impedance core, you'd expect losses due to the resistivity of the wire and perhaps eddy currents in the core. Instead, what I found was an increased voltage output.  Why might this be?  My conjecture is that something else is going on here that involves the aether's response to the pulsed DC.

In this way, we have what constitutes a kind of open system.  The ambient/aether responds to the DC impulse from the AV plug in the form of what some would call BEMF.  The coil's impedance necessarily calls forth a response from the aether.

As a closed system, this is not going to go overunity.  However, it may be that the inductor and core invite the Aether's response, rendering the circuit a kind of open system, possibly leading to a COP>1.

Bob
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: forest on August 04, 2016, 08:40:38 AM
220V in -> 220V out that is the answer
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: scratchrobot on August 04, 2016, 10:15:42 AM
So, why is that?  ;)

Because of the MIB  8)
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on August 05, 2016, 11:40:05 AM
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what I found was an increased voltage output

The issue with the Avramenko plug is that free energy that comes in shape of HV DC is USELESS. You can draw funny sparks with it, but no chance to step it down in order to drive common electric equipment. What we need is a continuously oscillating Avramenko plug output, thus we have to convert (step down) the HV at each oscillation cycle, not just simply charging up a DC capacitor with it.

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220V in -> 220V out that is the answer

This is only half of the answer. Between 220V in and out (in equals out actually) there should be high voltage phase-locked at twice of the base frequency. Best theory so far: Connect a 50Hz HV transformer to 220V/50Hz via a diode bridge (http://overunity.com/16508/new-april-2016-video-from-kapanadze-shows-again-kwatts-of-free-energy/msg481799/#msg481799) (plus parallel resistor) and a capacitor, so it runs at 100Hz. Then step that high voltage down again by means of a second HV transformer. Connect one side of the HV to ground and also one side of the load. Or - maybe the better choice - connect one side of the 100Hz HV through the 50Hz load to ground. Use a capacitor to get 50Hz LC resonance. The 100Hz HV frequency should modulate that 50Hz resonance frequency like a pendulum is modulated by the parametric excitation frequency. At the point in time when additional energy is supplied (from the aether by means of high voltage) the resonance frequency should change in order to capture that energy (electrons) and to route it through the load.

Principle: in/out 220V/50Hz -> 220V/100Hz -> 5000V/100Hz grounded -> 220V/100Hz connected to in/out 220V/50Hz (makes a closed resonating loop)

A high voltage three-phase transformer (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/dlattach/attach/157115/) consists of three transformers. So, one steps up (at 100Hz), one steps down and one is to spare. And that's the reason why people working with three-phase systems frequently come across of that OU effect but ordinary experimenters don't. Who in the heck experiments with two microwave oven transformers connected back to back running at doubled grid frequency? No one, I would guess.

That »back to back« reminds me btw somewhat on this (incomplete) Barbosa patent drawing (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/126157/). It's a coincidence perhaps.

Now, since that theory is rather brilliant, how to do it practically... ?

Regards ;D
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Bob Smith on August 05, 2016, 04:11:21 PM
Isn't the third "spare" transformer component a resonant coil? I thought this is what allows one to take charge from the system without affecting the primary and secondary.
Bob
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 06, 2016, 04:40:24 PM
AN EXERCISE:

What happens when we cut the feedback lines showed in the Kapanadze patent drawing?

[1] The device keeps running and collects free energy as long as the input stays connected to a power supply, because the feedback lines are just there to make it self-feeding without the need of an external power supply.

[2] The device immediately stops collecting free energy, because cutting the feedback lines destroys the internal parametric resonance of the device, which is needed to get the free energy from the environment.

Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 06, 2016, 06:36:02 PM
The first time I saw this circuit was is an article by the Russian OU 'expert' Frolov although I am sure it has appeared  countless times before throughout the decades.  The diagram below was ripped from the Barbosa thread - (thanks to the original author!)
The Frolov one is even more spectacular as it has no antenna,  one of the secondary's leads is simply left  disconnected, while the other lead sparks against a metallic object.

The claim is that since the secondary is disconnected , the spark will draw no current from the primary, and therefore, we have free energy.

I definitely believe that it will draw power because the 'antenna'  (which at 50hz would be far to short to be a real antenna)  or for the Frolov case,  the disconnected lead,  form a capacitor to the ground. The metallic object does the same.  So the spark  is between the leads and the metal with two series connected capacitors in between.
But will the spark or an arc occur with a well isolated, ungrounded  50kV DC source, leaving the negative terminal  free and moving an isolated metal piece near the positive. just as in the AC circuit? Of course not, proving the necessity of having capacitance and AC, since the impedance of the capacitors is proportional to 1/frequency. The higher the frequency, or/and the ac voltage(dV/dt) , the less resistance the capacitors have towards the flow of current.

This setup was discussed a few times before, the amp meter does not register current increase in primary coil when shorting plate because  antenna/plate capacitor has been already charged "long time ago" from primary, now its up to you if you discharge it or not, current has been already consumed.It's just an illusion that this is free energy, simple measurement error common in OU claims. But when well made(to resonate this antenna/plate small capacitance to cancel it high reactance with proper coil)  there is some nice efficiency there.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 06, 2016, 11:00:06 PM
Seems this is a slight misunderstanding of the experiment. It is not about having one single spark without increase of the primary current but of continuous sparking without continuous increase of the primary current.

The high voltage creates an electric field between the electrodes of the spark gap. Question: What is an electric field? What does it consist of? In the absence of a better explanation (maybe you can give one), it is a disturbance of the aether (like a magnetic field is also a disturbance of the aether). And isn't energy from the aether exactly what we are looking for?

So the electric field between the electrodes of the spark gap creates a disturbance of the aether. When a certain potential between those electrodes is exceeded, then the air between the electrodes suddenly becomes conductive. That conductivity (like a low ohm resistor) then shorts the disturbance (polarization) of the aether, means the energy that creates the spark comes out of the aether itself.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Turbo on November 06, 2016, 11:20:05 PM
Seems this is a slight misunderstanding of the experiment. It is not about having one single spark without increase of the primary current but of continuous sparking without continuous increase of the primary current.

The high voltage creates an electric field between the electrodes of the spark gap. Question: What is an electric field? What does it consist of? In the absence of a better explanation (maybe you can give one), it is a disturbance of the aether (like a magnetic field is also a disturbance of the aether). And isn't energy from the aether exactly what we are looking for?

Of course it's a potential difference or dis-equilibrium between several points in space.
A magnetic field is not a disturbance of the aether but the magnetic field is a property of space itself.
The field lines are ever present they only get diluted or concentrated between, several points in space, it's just that we only observe it when the levels involved become strong enough to be observed.
It is NOT a part of the magnet or coil.
And it is easy to prove this, because the electric field you speak of, will also generate a magnetic field, in free space, without the use of wire's. or coils, or magnets.
This is undeniable proof that it is a property of space itself.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 06, 2016, 11:35:36 PM
Seems this is a slight misunderstanding of the experiment. It is not about having one single spark without increase of the primary current but of continuous sparking without continuous increase of the primary current.

The high voltage creates an electric field between the electrodes of the spark gap. Question: What is an electric field? What does it consist of? In the absence of a better explanation (maybe you can give one), it is a disturbance of the aether (like a magnetic field is also a disturbance of the aether). And isn't energy from the aether exactly what we are looking for?

disturbance of the aether or not, one thing is for sure, someone has to disturb something, split electron from proton so the field is emitted between them, do some work,input energy. Pushed pendulum will return to its original position due to some forces, but does not create more energy out than in by its own movement ,we all know that.
Well, in the above case at first the wire is charged by field transfer from primary to secondary and spark gap is charged (SG its just tiny capacitor with insulation breaking when its full of charge) at second, the electrons jump from antenna(our ground) to plate in spark (or from the plate to antenna, it depends) so now the plate and antenna are charged and eventually trough displacement pushing and pulling fields, electrons will return to ionized antenna from charged plate, trough air etc. we can hear ion wind. Field lines will be all over the place and circuit is complete, it is called a single wire transmission system and mr Tesla like it.Resonance could make it more efficient but no OU.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 06, 2016, 11:40:30 PM
I always find it funny that electron in motion emit EMF,waves, yet when it stops the wave goes on its own, example : old TV shows from 60ties returned to earth, bounced back off some planet.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 07, 2016, 12:15:08 AM
Could it be that I'm on to something?

This is undeniable proof that it is a property of space itself.

That's an error in reasoning. Because space is »Nothing« by definition, it means »empty room«. But »Nothing« can't have any properties. It's logically not possible.

it is called a single wire transmission system and mr Tesla like it.Resonance could make it more efficient but no OU.

According to my measurements it is OU. Maybe my measurements are slightly incorrect, but therefore experimenting is going on to find out.

By the way, is it answer 1 or answer 2 in my previous post?
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 07, 2016, 01:04:13 AM
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By the way, is it answer 1 or answer 2 in my previous post?
mix of both lol.

discharging secondary capacitor(s) will not affect primary amps but energy came from primary, hard to measure.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 07, 2016, 11:50:13 AM
Interesting statement. Contradicts itself. Primary amps not affected, but energy comes from primary. ::)

This is all about charging a capacitor for free by means of high voltage, like approximately showed in this Tom Bearden graphics (http://tesla3.com/free_websites/zpe_bearden_MEGanim.gif).

I write »approximately« because the battery symbol (V1 Source) on the left is misleading (the purpose of the diode is also unclear). The grounding is OK, but the positive side of the source should be static high voltage, which charges the capacitor without a closed circuit, hence not destroying the dipole.

The switch resembles the spark (or vice versa) which shorts the capacitor and acts also as load.

Now instead of burning the energy in a spark (because it is a convenient automatic switch) we should rather make practical use of it, by means of a »switch« that is controlled by an AC high voltage source instead of DC.

By the way, if the very low capacitance of a spark gap is bridged by an additional capacitor, we get a much stronger spark (for free, as it seems).

Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: pomodoro on November 07, 2016, 01:55:05 PM
A high DC voltage with one end open will do nothing. It needs to be alternating, very high voltage and HF. Then it magically travels through one wire and also through glass! Current flow is due to electrons being pumped into one end of the coil, through the load if any, then back to the other disconnected end. This is a displacement current and is increased by any capacitive body near the unconnected terminal. As mentioned you will be amazed the first time you see it pass straight through a few mm of glass. The glass still insulates but the electrons care little and capacitively pass a current anyway. Accurate measurements are practically impossible and one needs to resort to measuring DC into device and DC out into load. The usual oscilloscope methods are swamped by false signals.OU is super unlikely as every Tom Dick and Harry in the last 200 years has studied sparks ,arcs and high voltages as that was all they had to study. There are massive amounts of research papers on them from the 1800s to about the 1930s.

Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 07, 2016, 02:10:03 PM
It needs to be alternating, very high voltage and HF.

May be, but I'm talking here about 50Hz and voltage around 3KV.

High frequency and VERY high voltage will only create unnecessary problems.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: conradelektro on November 07, 2016, 03:00:19 PM

A high DC voltage with one end open will do nothing. It needs to be alternating, very high voltage and HF.

I agree, it needs to be AC in order to be stepped down. But some things have been studied for a long time and still have not been interpreted in the right way.

Take for instance the electrophorus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophorus , which is the first and oldest reliable "electricity generator". If done right, the electrophorus is a Hig Voltage AC Generator. And with this HV AC more can be done than with a spark which only discharges a positive or negative charge.

I do not yet show what can be done, but it opens the way for a step down circuit. AC could be stepped down more easily than a unipolar HV spark.

True, the electrophorus is still producing only sparks, but in my circuit (see the two videos) there are sparks in both directions, hence some "dirty AC". In order to step that down one needs an air core transformer which nowadays is called pulse transformer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer_types#Pulse_transformer

Note: the electrophorus is not a practical electricity generator, but this principle can be enhanced to a better generator like a Wimshurst machine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wimshurst_machine . This type of machine can also be fitted with a circuit that produces AC spikes.

The question now is, can the HV AC spikes be stepped down in an efficient way? And I am working on just that.

How is this related to this topic:

It is the sparks or spikes. The old electrostatic machines produce HV sparks, just what people try to study in this thread. And if done right (the right circuit), the old electrostatic machines (some of them) can produce AC sparks or spikes (spikes or sparks from positive to ground and then from negative to ground).

In my two videos I show a series of "positive spikes" followed by a series of "negative spikes".But if a spark gap is use instead of the gas discharge lamp, a single "positive spike" is followed by a single "negative spike" and so on. This I call "dirty AC". A spark gap allows to adjust the Voltage at which the spike or spark occurs.

Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: pomodoro on November 07, 2016, 03:43:25 PM
Let's not get confused. The open ended supply version in Z's picture is what I was referring to. 50hz and 3kv  will not be enough. The ground return is needed then. 100khz and 30kv is more like it. The electrophorous might work but the dv/dt needs to be made massive and alternate fast,. If the single wire supply is used as in Z's pic. A car ignition coil can be used as a test but the battery has a rather large bulk and even if not grounded can act as a capacitative reservoir like a metal ball in space can act as a capacitor. Allowing a charge to be pumped to and fro a single wire.
Moray's patent has similar discharges through glass tubes using Odin coils. Moist vapor in the tube generated OU apparently.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 07, 2016, 06:20:55 PM
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Interesting statement. Contradicts itself. Primary amps not affected, but energy comes from primary. ::)
Because this is a matter of time frame, amps were affected during charging capacitance, they are not effected during discharge \phase, as i said, there is some efficiency there when max out but no OU.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 07, 2016, 07:50:06 PM
Take for instance the electrophorus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrophorus , which is the first and oldest reliable "electricity generator". If done right, the electrophorus is a Hig Voltage AC Generator. And with this HV AC more can be done than with a spark which only discharges a positive or negative charge.

A mechanically driven device can generate electricity. That's not really new. The idea is, we do not use a generator but a resonator (which shakes the aether, as Kapanadze worded it).

Normally when we want to charge a capacitor we connect it to positive and negative of something like a battery. That's the dipole we are going to kill, because there is a flow of electrons (current) going through that battery while charging the capacitor. But if we connect one side of that capacitor to ground and the other side to high voltage, then this high voltage attracts electrons from ground and those electrons accumulate on the negative plate of the capacitor (charging it). The high voltage source (the dipole) will never see those electrons, hence that high voltage dipole is not going to be killed.

Because this is a matter of time frame, amps were affected during charging capacitance, they are not effected during discharge \phase, as i said, there is some efficiency there when max out but no OU.

Sounds almost as if you fear that one could find here OU nevertheless. At least it sounds not like someone that seeks OU.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: pomodoro on November 08, 2016, 04:46:17 AM

Normally when we want to charge a capacitor we connect it to positive and negative of something like a battery. That's the dipole we are going to kill, because there is a flow of electrons (current) going through that battery while charging the capacitor. But if we connect one side of that capacitor to ground and the other side to high voltage, then this high voltage attracts electrons from ground and those electrons accumulate on the negative plate of the capacitor (charging it). The high voltage source (the dipole) will never see those electrons, hence that high voltage dipole is not going to be killed.

Try it out then , if you dare!

Charge a cap (10uF at least to avoid quick leakage) to 20kV and stick it up high above the ground. This is your stable high voltage supply which will give you free power apparently.
Now see if you can measure any voltage between ground and just one of those terminals of the charged up cap. This will be the voltage that can charge up another cap for free!

You will find that there is no voltage difference at all! No cap can charge for free when placed between earth and a high voltage battery with one terminal of the battery disconnected from earth.

I suggest you try this before assuming that Bearden was telling us some hidden secret.

You MUST use a stable HV sourve, and avoid corona discharge to ground from the unconnected terminal, stable like what you showed  in your diagram (battery)  ,hence the 10uF cap I suggested,  because any pulsating,DC or AC HV supply WILL give a voltage difference to earth due to the displacement current I mentioned earlier but  the displacement current  takes power out of the generator and its no free lunch!

Frolov and Bearden are a bunch of buttheads that have done OU a great disservice by disseminating pure BS.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 08, 2016, 07:55:09 AM
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Frolov and Bearden are a bunch of buttheads that have done OU a great disservice by disseminating pure BS.
absolutely true.

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Sounds almost as if you fear that one could find here OU nevertheless. At least it sounds not like someone that seeks OU.

sounds almost as you don't know how electricity works. I've tried (and million of others since discovery of electricity) this configuration and my findings point to no OU and I know why.

killing dipole:
you can connect one side of cap to earth and other side to HV DC and electrons will deposit on one side of cap and other electrons will leave the other side of cap, where those electrons would go? to (now ionized) earth of course trough air, circuit is completed, dipole is killed and Tom Bearden can suck my nuts!

not much related to this topic but the cool thing about this system is that tesla coil is doing that on better scale, and if you remove electron from earth and put it back you create an electrical vibration in earth that you can detect at some distance.

Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 08, 2016, 11:30:49 AM
Frolov and Bearden are a bunch of buttheads that have done OU a great disservice by disseminating pure BS.

A great disservice? Then I'm sure you can point me to some posts of yours where you have done OU a great SERVICE. Because otherwise I can't see any reason why you are writing on this forum. If you think OU isn't possible (BS) then why you are interested in?

The same is true for PolaczekCebulaczek, you should trying to find a method how to do it, not to contradict each sentence an OU researcher writes. This would lead to a much more positive charisma of yours.

Bearden is BS in the eyes of vested interests? I indeed do believe this. 8)

sounds almost as you don't know how electricity works. I've tried (and million of others since discovery of electricity) this configuration and my findings point to no OU and I know why.

OK, if you know how electricity works, then surely you can explain to me that one-sided ground current that we can see in the image below. I'm aware that it can be faked. Everything can be faked. But for the moment we assume that it is real. So how does it work?

The car battery here is used as metallic object. In the thick white wire the electrons (or whatever we should call an electric current) are oscillating (at 50Hz) without a closed circuit. Since this should not be possible according to the textbooks, it would make no sense at all to fake it, especially without any real need to, because Stepanov (and also Kapanadze) could claim OU without showing that odd ground current effect. So why is it that this clamp meter reads 8.2 amps? Any constructive ideas?

My guess: In the device we have high voltage without amperes (the open dipole) and - as a counter part - amperes without voltage (the ground current). Therefore Ohm's law does not apply. Now we should looking for the law that applies.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: pomodoro on November 08, 2016, 12:42:17 PM
A great disservice? Then I'm sure you can point me to some posts of yours where you have done OU a great SERVICE. Because otherwise I can't see any reason why you are writing on this forum. If you think OU isn't possible (BS) then why you are interested in?

Have a look at the fruits of those two wankers in the last 20+ years and show me anything that works.
I've done a lot of research and so far got nothing OU. I don't post negative results anymore. I take great care in making sure my measurements are real and look for mistakes before blurting out OU.
There is nothing OU replicable out there at the moment but one day a great discovery could be made, who is to say it will never happen.
Before believing all the BS you see on youtube, try the experiment I told you and see with your own two eyes that Bearden is a dickhead and Frolov an OU ass. Mind you they are probably great businessmen.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Hoppy on November 08, 2016, 12:43:32 PM

My guess: In the device we have high voltage without amperes (the open dipole) and - as a counter part - amperes without voltage (the ground current). Therefore Ohm's law does not apply. Now we should looking for the law that applies.

Are you really suggesting that a load on that device, whether it be incandescent / halogen bulbs or a motor can function on voltage without current or vica-versa, so as not to destroy the dipole?
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 08, 2016, 03:10:06 PM
I'm suggesting that a load on that device runs on 220V and 8.2A, albeit volts and amps are originating not from the same source.

Have a look at the fruits of those two wankers in the last 20+ years and show me anything that works.

Maybe that (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6HPLA_-06b1ZWj7foNDXCQ) works. Don't know (yet). Time will tell.

Before believing all the BS you see on youtube, try the experiment I told you and see with your own two eyes that Bearden is a dickhead and Frolov an OU ass. Mind you they are probably great businessmen.

I'm making (basic) experiments all the time. Like that one below. And it gives me strange readings.

The ammeter connected to the 12V battery shows no increase in current when the high voltage sparks as marked. So I know there is something unusual going on here. What could it be?

Now tell me that this erratic sparking chances the resonance frequency of the 100Hz circuit in such a precise way, that the overall power consumption is compensated to one hundred percent. Can't believe this.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 08, 2016, 08:48:21 PM
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explain to me that one-sided ground current that we can see in the image below
current on one wire running a motor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1-RIcj1HY
I dont know how Stepanov and Kapanadze devices work, no one knows.
I believe in OU, I've tried this spark gap setup and saw no OU.Try it out too, its cool stuff.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 08, 2016, 11:25:03 PM
Can he run a three-phase motor also on one wire?

That visible stuff under Stepanov's cardboard box represents clearly a frequency doubler circuit (like in the schematic above). That means, if that device would be a fake, then why does it look that way? Why not three or five diodes instead of four? Why not a big capacitor or a fancy coil instead of a barely visible power resistor? A fake would »work« anyway.

And btw, Stepanov's  clamp meter is set to DC. A one-sided DC ground current is even more strange. Quote from Nilson Barbosa patent:

»... if the power supply is alternating electrical current - AC, the sensor provides alternating electrical current - AC. If the power source is a continuous electrical current - DC, the sensor provides continuous electrical current - DC.«

DC can drive a transformer? Mysterious things are going on.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: PolaczekCebulaczek on November 09, 2016, 10:42:40 AM
what about rectification tesla coil output with huge diode or vacuum tube? would this make a DC from tesla secondary?
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Vortex1 on November 09, 2016, 05:22:21 PM
what about rectification tesla coil output with huge diode or vacuum tube? would this make a DC from tesla secondary?

Yes it would, I have done the experiment and you can charge capacitors to quite a high DC level.

It may take a while to build the charge depending on the size of the capacitor as there is (usually) very low current on the secondary.

Be very careful when performing this as you can accumulate lethal amounts of Joules when the energy is stored over time.

A Tesla coil being basically a moderate frequency tuned (resonant) radio frequency step up transformer, or TRF transformer in engineering terms.

If the frequency and voltage gets very high, you might have better results with a vacuum tube rectifier like a 1B3, 1X2 etc.

I agree that Pomodoro has offered a litmus test for the "don't kill the dipole" mantra in post #32.

Nevertheless, I do believe what we now are calling "OU" may someday be possible, however when it is, there will also be discovered the source of the energy, so the term will then be moot, and the energy will no longer be anomalous as the source will then be added to the COP equation.

By the way IMHO Pomodoro has to his credit correctly identified just a few of the members of what I call "The Free Energy Circus"

The "circus" is replete with all the usual clowns, jugglers, monkeys,  and dog and pony shows, spinning wheels and you might even find for your amusement something like a Ferris Wheel. On the sideshow you will find the battery shell game, where you have to guess which battery has the charge. People that speak in strange techno-babble can also be found in the side show, next to the mustached lady and the hermaphrodite.

You buy your ticket and take the ride in this show, which to the uninitiated, is a jaw dropping high (tension) wire act.

In my youth, before I became experienced, back when I was easy prey for the hawkers, I spent a good share of money at the circus buying books and DVD's that promised everything (secrets of this and secrets of that) and delivered nothing, great vaporous claims, which for the circus members is indeed a source of infinite free energy (your energy and my energy).

As P.T. Barnum said "There is a sucker born every minute"

......and the circus is fed but you go hungry.

Regards and caveat emptor,
Vortex1
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 11, 2016, 03:40:07 PM
I find that reading stuff rather interesting: Secrets of the Aether (https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxxYWRpMTZwaTJ8Z3g6NWMyOTMwOGVlMmRiNGZhNQ)

»The Shape of “Emptiness”«

»Aether is a dynamic fabric of space-resonance composed of independent quantum units. Each quantum unit of Aether contains three dimensions of length and two dimensions of frequency (distributed frequency is the unit of resonance). In addition, Aether also contains one dimension of mass, four dimensions of charges (two dimensions of electrostatic charge and two dimensions of electromagnetic charge), and spin. Each of the above named dimensions produce a quantum unit of rotating magnetic field.

[...]

All alternating currents also distort the Aether as the expansion and contraction of electrons occurs. Electrons can expand and contract by changing their toroidal radii. As the smaller electron radius shrinks, the larger radius grows, thus conserving the angular momentum. Nevertheless, the Aether radius (related to spherical resonance) changes with the large radius of the electron. Thus as the electron expands and contracts, so does the Aether, making it possible to modulate Aether units directly, just as Tesla proposed.«

»Not Just for Physicists«

»The Standard Model of Particle Physics describes electrons, photons, protons, neutrons, and even things like gluons and quarks as “particles.” In the Aether Physics Model, these “particles” are not solid, nor are they pieces of something solid. The very basic form of physical existence is termed “primary angular momentum” when we discuss its mechanical structure. When discussing a stable form of primary angular momentum in general, we will call it “onn” (onta when plural)11. Whatever process it was that first thrust onta into existence, it is the Aether that maintains the onn spin, and accordingly the structure of all physical matter. Though it may sound counterintuitive at first, physical matter, as we know it, is actually a trace of the Aether. In other words, physical shape actually comes from non-material Aether, and is not an inherent property of matter.«

»Energy from the Aether«

»Technically, it is not possible to get energy from the Aether. This is because energy is not onta. Only photons, electrons, and protons are onta that come from the Aether into the physical realm. Nevertheless, by generating onta, and putting the onta to work, then it is possible to produce “energy from the Aether.”

In the Aether Physics Model, photons are onta with an inherent velocity. Photons convert to electrons through the photoelectric effect. Thus if a device is properly constructed to generate photons from dark matter, and if a circuit that converts photons to electrons is incorporated, a steady flow of electric current can be put into motion without the need for a battery or a dynamo.«

Have to study this further...  8)
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Vortex1 on November 11, 2016, 04:49:54 PM
The book "Secrets of the Aether" stands head and shoulders above many of the other "secrets of" books out there.

I did a quick scan of it's 314 pages and found the topics very interesting. Hope to do a full read of it soon as time permits.

Thanks Zeitmaschine, much appreciated.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on November 11, 2016, 10:22:00 PM
Hello my friends!

Since everyone is talking about what I was talking about years ago I thought I would drop in and start chatting again.

Tesla has always been the answer. Looking to his writings will give you clues to the process.

One question to get the ball rolling.

What is a spark or arc? Plasma right?

The Aether is plasma and an arc or spark is plasma condensed by the high voltage.

Now lets see what plasma is exactly and how it is attracted to higher potentials.

Plasma is not the 4th state of matter but a component of matter and space itself. Plasma is displaced by matter and creates a density change of the channels of plasma within matter. Matter squeezes the plasma channels together and it causes it's potential to rise in that pinching of the plasma streams and gives rise to the intensity of matter or energy level within matter.

In my investigations into what plasma is and how it works in our solar system I have found out that Plasma flows and condensations of plasma give matter it's potential within the plasma field. Our sun is just a pinch in a great plasma flow out of the center of our Galaxy. This pinch, also called a z-pinch, is the reason for all the energy we see coming from our Sun. The pinch sprays plasma all over like a 360 degree shower head. Our own planet is nothing more then condensed plasma flowing into the pinched plasma channels within our planet. Gravity is nothing more then the plasma flowing into those channels and squirting out the end of the channel. There is a vacuum formed pulling at the plasma pooled up around our planet creating the gravity we are used to seeing on a daily basis. This is also the explanation of why there is not gravity outside of our planets atmosphere.
When plasma condenses around a high potential it will conduct and discharge twords the opposite side effectively balancing the space between the electrodes and the electrodes as well. This is done via potentials of the electrodes. When the opposite electrode gain in potential then the opposite electrode has less potential and discharges again to the lower potential.
Plasma is also magnetic sensitive. It can and will produce and channel magnetism as well. In my example of the planet we have plasma field around our planet and when it moves via the electrode analogy twords the highly negative potential it must exit the planet. It does this via the poles and what gives the poles a magnetic field based on the electric potentials present in our world. The surface of the atmosphere has a very high potential of 360k volts with the surface of the earth being the zero line and the center of our planet having a focal point that is the mirror of the 360k potential of the ionosphere. The focal point being Negative 360k.

I think Tesla figured this out and realized that an increase of plasma density has a magnifying effect on any energy traveling through or outside of matter but only in the potential realm. Meaning we will have to transform it down to get the current we are used to.
This one page of the Colorado notes describes how to use his method to get the impulses we need. Give it a look over and see if it helps.

Try to pay attention to the angles that each coil is at in reference to the secondary coils. Meaning the secondary and extra coils. Also read some way down and see why the bifilar coil was used and how it was used.

P.S. Tesla realized that if this process was hooked up in such a way that you could generate huge current flows in a central secondary like a rotor, this is coined as a rotating transformer. Also remember that the electric field grows out of a wire at 90 degree angles, radiantly. So from the surface outwards.

I have a system in mind that will self excite and loop a portion of the energy back to a cap battery pair. The cap being slightly higher when the energy flows back in. Diodes in reverse will allow charging and no feedback. The cap acts like a fast acting wave pool to feed the battery with gathered impulses. A natural wave form should automatically happen via resonance of the battery tank. when the battery is full it will auto balance and not take any impulses due to being out of resonance. Additional checks can be used via current sampling into the charge tank. A simple loop could redirect the impulses and current back to the system or radiated out via an antenna as a loss.
The drive system is a magneto or Faraday paradox generator. Once generated it will feed a disruptive discharge system into bifilar wound field coil pairs. So 4 bifilar coils around a toroid field core. Two channels need to be generated by the paradox system and then grounded through the bifilar coils to either ground through a spark gap or to a virtual ground like the body to a car.
The rotor of the generator will need to be driven around and it will have two regular solenoid coils for generation. The heavier the better (theoretical but they need to be balanced to the bifilar coils weight). Less turns and bigger gauge can make up for the difference. The rotor core needs to be grounded into an antenna with a bifilar coil at the end to act as a bigger mass end. The capacity will be raised by the design of the bifilar coil with increased capacitance allowing the excited capacitance to work in the Tesla method.. This will allow more plasma to be pulled into the system enhancing the generation and shunting the flow to the ground itself. The generator part can be enhanced further by turning the rotor in the field and generating more current in the rotor coils. This is where you take off the power as well and maybe an intermittent pull off would pressurize the magnetic field and hook it to the field cores better. This would allow the field to self balance and center itself better. Plus when the heavy magnetic field attaches to the field core it will naturally cut the field core windings and generate additional high voltage hopefully enhancing the generation even more. The field cores should be made in two halves and the Leedskalnin approach to the PMH via locking coils on each end of the halves of cores. This way one could use a clam shell as a case and it would be very easy to maintain as well and magnetically lock via energizing the PMH. or simple pressure when locking the case could be sufficient if the PMH addition will not work due to the magnetics in the system.
You can use a regular induction motor 4 pole to run the entire system running off of the current you are generating. All of this can be put onto one shaft and then the shaft should be grounded as well. I am thinking that if the shaft is grounded to the antenna then it will enhance the plasma around the antenna and a better current flow will happen, Still highly theoretical as of yet..
I will be working on the system soon and when I am happy with the results then I'll post it up.. Right now I am not in the position to work on it that much. I might be making another move real soon because of family matters. I'll keep you posted.
I will be trying this on a very small scale. I am using garden wire that is just steel as the core. A coil in itself. We will see what happens. With the holidays coming up fast I think my chances of getting much work done on this is sllim to none. But we will see..
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on November 12, 2016, 02:47:27 AM
In this video we see the figure 1 from the notes I have shown above.

The notes being here again:

This mixed with figure 17 0f this document shows a majority of the system together.

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

What i get from this is that each end of the transformer is connected to a very high self capacitance bifilar coil. When the primary is oscillated it will oscillate between the bifilar coils. If the primary is bifilar as well it should be pingable into a ground or virtual ground and ring between the bifilar extra coils. If you put cores in the bifilars it should be stronger and an additional outlet in the form of a heavy magnetic event will make the disks he used to rotate like shown in the video and in figure 17. Hooking the bifilar coils so that both disks rotate in the same direction depending on the position of the charged cap in the bifilar extra coil a or b. The ground in case of a coreless transformer of the primary would donate additional charge from the ground into the secondary as well.

This grounding method was also tested by TK in the back yard video here and a few other methods added like the figure one transformer from the Colorado notes.

I told you guys TK was reproducing Tesla's experiments almost to the T.  Yes he tried to hide the method to an extent but any decent researcher would see the parallels TK used to Tesla's experiments.

The question now is if the man who made our current system really did find a way to transform and magnify the energy he supplied to kickstart the process and actually find a way to loop the system. This was actually done using the rectifier, battery and inverter system of TK's. By transforming the DC to AC then using that to time the impulses into a coil making a perfect copy only boosted by the ground flow in the middle of that transformer then using the excess AC to power the loads to a second ground. By the way thats also where the AC gets rectified to loop back to the inverter if the battery is disconnected. The inverter has enough capacitance to run the system for a little bit.
It looks to me like a transistor of sorts using ground currents to sustain itself. Ground loops can be very heavy. One end of the ground loop only inductively connects and this is enhanced by the spark system impulsed at the same frequency as the transformer is operating on. The transformer being an air core. the heavy blue coiled one. The neat thing about it is the hv sparks cn be sunted to a ground to increase the flow of current it seems in this one. I really reminds me of a tube without the tube and vacuum. Quite interesting indeed.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on November 12, 2016, 04:34:18 AM
In this version he takes the impulses into an emitter coil In the middle and induces the impulses to each coil but because they are oriented in different positions around the emitter it delays the action of each coil so they are out of phase of each other. This is due to the emitter coils geometry and the nature of impulses traversing that coil geometry.

Just throw the coils into a load then to ground. I would think the 3 coils are all terminated to each other in a 3 way fashion. Maybe... I'm not entirely sure yet.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: sparks on November 13, 2016, 06:17:34 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture

The electron avalanches produced in extremely high voltage fields may well be the result of K-capture.  This is when a K orbital electron is captured by the nucleus.   If the nucleus has an abundance of protons the capture will convert a proton to a neutron,emit a neutrino and leave an isotope of the next element to the left in the periodic table.  The electrons in the outer orbitals will fill the hole in the k orbital and emit a photon in the xray spectrum.  Tesla was experimenting in what one could call high voltage fields.  Producing many an avalanche.  A fairly new discovery is that run of the mill lighning storms produce gamma and xray photons.  This is a sure indication that something nuclear is going on in the clouds.  I wonder if Tesla at some point in his research became aware of nuclear reactions induced in the gases surounding his coils.  I would think that the probability of K-capture would be greatly enhance by the initial ionization and susequent acceleration of electrons donated by gasses finding themselves near the top load capacitors on his transformers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12158718
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 14, 2016, 02:00:16 AM
Here is one more figure to look at. It is the Fig. 6 of »Lecture No. 27«: The Physics of the 'Magic' Capacitor (http://www.haroldaspden.com/lectures/27.htm), by Harold Aspden, Our Future Energy Source - The Vacuum!

Quote from »Lecture No. 27«:

»Here I show a section of a concentric capacitor. That aether motion I mentioned is now not linear motion but rotary motion confined between the capacitor electrodes and so, when the capacitor voltage is reduced, that motion will have inertia and not dissipate by collisions which feed energy back into the enveloping aether. Instead, it will try to sustain the electric displacement, meaning that it will deploy its energy into the release of electrical energy which can be drawn from the capacitor.«

So the question: If that works then how could Kapanadze (and others) came across such a capacitor accidentally? The answer can be seen in the illustration below. The inner (primary) and the outer (secondary) coils of a three-phase transformer are forming exactly such a capacitor like depicted in Figure 6.

Quote from »Secrets of the Aether«:

»If we wanted to produce energy from the Aether, we would produce photons between strong charges. The ideal configuration would be strong charges arranged in a spherical form [a cylindrical form would be more convenient to handle, A/N]. Two spherical objects (of strong charge) held a certain distance apart produce a capacitance. The ratio of the spherically arranged strong charge to capacitance determines the amount of energy that results.«

»However, since electricity is a quantum process, with photons and electrons of a specific magnitude, the spherical objects must adhere to a specific design and position to produce a specific capacitance. When properly tuned, the Aether between the plates will resonate and generate photons, which can directly convert to electrons via the photoelectric effect.«

And therefore now we do know the meaning of Guntis' cryptic message »all magic happens "Between coils"« (http://www.energeticforum.com/139097-post156.html).

Thus thinking sharply: Didn't we see such a capacitor somewhere before? Of course we did. Here it is: The Zero Point Energy Rotor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiC2IGLl90Q)

So what about a drum roll please? Because on December 31, 2013 (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg381111/#msg381111) I was already close to this. But precautionally no one replied to that post straightly.

The one component which Kapanadze makes himself is the secret component that makes his device work. No-one knows what it is except Kapanadze.

Finally we also know what the secret is!! That's for sure!!

And as a mere coincidence Kapanadze's Sadolin tin can is also round in shape, outside grounded! What suggests, that it is not really necessary to have high voltage coils forming the capacitor.

But I still think that it is necessary to experiment with a frequency doubler (diode bridge) because otherwise - with single frequency only - a lot of people working with transformers would have discovered this effect in the past already.

Apropos »round in shape«: Ever wondered why that Steven Marks device (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPuhI03ZMR8) is round in shape? Now we also know. Since that toroid contains just the circular capacitor plates, it can be safely dismantled by means of a jigsaw and we will actually see nothing.

Here my latest test video, yet without a special round capacitor. The capacitance here is just created by the coils next to each other, not within of each other. Second-Harmonic Resonance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMkYC3A76WY), maybe it works to some degree.

»Could it perhaps be that the principle of work (the secret) of this device has something to do with a so-called asymmetric capacitor?« No reply. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjQgpTiN4vw) Answer should be Yes!

OK. What would be the simplest way to construct such a round capacitor? Could we take a metallic cylinder an then wrap it with a coil? Perhaps like that we can see in the D-1943 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYwQNVEuheY) video (see image below)? And this is not the only video we can see that kind of large coils.

By the way: Why are flying saucers round? (https://www.quora.com/Why-are-flying-saucers-round) - do we know?

Regards and happy resonating 8)
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on November 14, 2016, 02:35:09 PM
Yeah capacitance has a bunch to do with this. Shuttling the charge back and forth between the plates and inducing a Pulsed DC component from that process via bifilar coils.

The figure one from the Colorado notes could also have a bifilar primary to reduce the bemf effect to the source.

The capacitance in his tower was on the above ground terminal to the ground terminal. One plate always being 0 and the other due to elevated potentials being 100v per meter high.

When the one plate gets enough potential gathered a bulb of plasma should be attracted to it and increase the umph when shorted to ground via the spark gap to ground through the coils.
The place to pick off extra energy is the self shorted coil and cap or even a self terminated bifilar choke as shown in his technical writings Pulling charge from that would be simply opening that bifilar choke and draining the energy from the increased capacitance of the bifilar in a pulsed method.

The tower is simply a capacitor just like our planet has a capacitor in it's design. One plate being the ionosphere and the other being the earth. The coils between the cap must extend the one plate (top plate) virtually higher up and this pulls the plasma down from the atmosphere. Once you get the plasma down to the plate you can funnel it through the coils and into the ground where it wants to be. To the plasma the ground is a vacuum. This is due to matter displacing the plasma field in the earth.

Time it right and it should act like this kind of sprinkler:

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51KVelwmxfL.jpg&f=1 (https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51KVelwmxfL.jpg&f=1)

As for TK devices, well he was only verifying the Tesla process, this usually involved a ground connection and a way to stimulate the process to start.

Just a simple question for you guys. How is it we can draw energy from a battery or capacitor from the + and negative but we can't seem to draw energy from the positive and negative of the Sun replenishing earth capacitor? We can and we could have essentially free energy to power our civilization. The one problem is the powers that be. They don't want us to be equal. Money is the great divider of people and the great suppressor of the very thing that can free us. It's all there. We just need the courage to go and reap the harvest waiting for us.

We know one thing now that this earth and the effects we see from this capacitor's discharges drive the weather we see today. This means that if we could siphon off some energy flowing towords the ground that we could change the weather to a more pleasant level. We are now sure that the Sun and it's solar wind are driving this mechanism. If we tapped that mechanism and take off energy then what effect would you think would be the result? Take energy out of the system would do what? Lessen the strength of the effects of that system right?

Below is the explanation of how Tesla wanted to use this potential difference caused by the Sun and our Earth.

Look at the bottom section. A solenoid going into a bifilar coil with a solenoid wrapped around the bifilar coil. Plus with that action shorting to ground it would allow communication to any device Tesla made to receive such ground impulses.

This is his Niagara Falls example. Find a flow and harness that flow to generate energy and transmit intelligence via that process. The way you open and close the shorted solenoid around the Bifilar dictates the flow of energy through this system and you can attach intelligence in that process as well via the ground as a single terminal electrode.

Does anyone remember the lifter experiments? Why would you think Tesla designed a heavy anchor points for the legs of this tower? As the system charges up and the top cap plate reacts to the potential differences it tries to move towords the higher potential of the plasma above it. Essentially this would fly away or lift towards the higher potential of the plasma above it. Remember plasma is conductive to the higher potentials and gets attracted to that higher potential. Tesla described the center mast to ground was to better grip the earth. As well going deeper in the earth would increase the negative potential as much as going higher away from ground increases the positive potential. This will also increase the potential difference as well between the two plates of this capacitor and should increase the energy output at the Shorted cap and coil around the bifilar going to ground.

My best guess is that to start the process all you need to do is short the spark gap momentarily at position E. Once it is started all you would need is a spark gap system at the takeoff point or cap G position. This would open and close the magnetic clutch Coil C at the breakdown frequency of the takeoff point G as the cap G is discharged across the spark gap not shown. That would open the magnetic clutch and allow the system to ground itself and cause a great current flow though B', B and bifilar coil A and across the ground spark gap. This would charge up coil C and a magnetic field would be built up restricting the flow to ground. This is the oscillator section.

The take off circuit is at G and governed by the spark gap distance and used in the regular method Tesla used for impulses. Lighting and single wire motor could be used there or a regular transformer fed with impulses would convert the impulses to AC for traditional systems to use in the method Tesla has shown to a capacitance or virtual ground.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on November 14, 2016, 07:37:56 PM
I had the opportunity to get a pdf that kinda explains this process and I took out what I think is an accurate depiction of the whole Tesla system and I also modified it with additional Tesla patented schematics. See what you think about these.

The first schem is from the pdf explaining Tesla's descriptions. The second is using actual Tesla methods.

I made one mistake with the hybred tower. The Tap coil should have a bifilar coil then connect to the cap ball at the end or left open with no mass capacitor( you would probably need a wire out still like a straight whip antenna), just to the left of the NS magnetic spark gap. The secondary is a heavy solenoid around the bifilar primary. This is solely to getting two pulses out of the solenoid as the impulses travel around the bifilar coils. Or could even strengthen the push through reinforcement of the impulse to ground or an antenna. I have not experimented in this direction yet but it is on the agenda.

Of course the original method as Tesla gave to the bankruptcy court should be examined to see what the effects are as well. That is the first picture. That picture was reproduced by me but the original was from the Tesla museum in Belgrade, the book was named "Colorado Springs to Long Island notes".
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on November 16, 2016, 08:34:03 PM
When we look at my second picture you get two very important data points.

The 20Kv on the top cap is not paid for by us.
The -15Kv on the ground connection is not paid for by us.

Both are essentially free just like the Niagara Falls analogy and facts about that generating system. The Tower would be needed to transmit the energy harvested from our surrounding environment to people but the generating from those potentials like in the Niagara falls analogy would essentially be done via a flow that could be harnessed in our environment now.

A portable version is also available via a virtual ground system loop.

The plasma is the conductor of our reality we call space. It is everywhere and in everything to degrees. It is highly dynamic in density only. It responds to electrical stimulation and forms the magnetic field which is an organized movement of plasma flows. When we excite matter the plasma flows into matter and the surrounding environment around the matter and increases the energy of that matter via this increased conductance via plasma. It is the reason that matter expands when heated and shrinks when cooled.

Just some thoughts...
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Turbo on November 19, 2016, 12:56:29 PM

That's an error in reasoning. Because space is »Nothing« by definition, it means »empty room«. But »Nothing« can't have any properties. It's logically not possible.

Well you exist in space as well.
Are you >>Nothing<< ??
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on November 20, 2016, 12:30:16 AM
No more to say about my preceding statements?

jbignes5, where can I see a tower acting like a capacitor pulling down plasma from the ionosphere in a Kapanadze video?

But here I can see three more concentric »magic« capacitors in action. Since the sparks of the (eye-candy) Tesla coils can hit those capacitors safely, each of them must have a ground connection. Further more, each of the three yellow output wires is connected directly to one of those capacitors. Conclusion?
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 02, 2016, 10:20:04 AM
Just one more item for the collection: the Hendershot generator. There are two concentric (magic) capacitors each surrounded by a coil. Simply placing an ordinary factory-made capacitor in the center of the coil will do nothing. So we know for sure that this  demonstration (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGZeLclOOwU&feature=youtu.be&t=1h4m56s) has to be fake. Same nonsense here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JXupY5Ztd0&feature=youtu.be&t=21m54s) and here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPAz8aR1Ylg) (and others). The genuine Hendershot generator worked not because of those fancy wound basket weave coils but because of the homemade concentric capacitor plates inside. Stunning.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on December 02, 2016, 10:23:59 PM
No more to say about my preceding statements?

jbignes5, where can I see a tower acting like a capacitor pulling down plasma from the ionosphere in a Kapanadze video?

But here I can see three more concentric »magic« capacitors in action. Since the sparks of the (eye-candy) Tesla coils can hit those capacitors safely, each of them must have a ground connection. Further more, each of the three yellow output wires is connected directly to one of those capacitors. Conclusion?

Kapanadze Was reproducing Tesla's other methods and devices. The tin can was not anything but an oil filled transformer. That special one from the Speech.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on December 04, 2016, 06:25:36 AM
No more to say about my preceding statements?

jbignes5, where can I see a tower acting like a capacitor pulling down plasma from the ionosphere in a Kapanadze video?

But here I can see three more concentric »magic« capacitors in action. Since the sparks of the (eye-candy) Tesla coils can hit those capacitors safely, each of them must have a ground connection. Further more, each of the three yellow output wires is connected directly to one of those capacitors. Conclusion?

Does this look familiar?

5. is the best example of the Turkey showing. It's only a partial reveal of the proper system.

Let me ask you this? What are sparks and arcs? Plasma is all around us. Discharges are proof of that. But Tesla knew that he was condensing plasma in his earlier systems. What he needed to do was condense this plasma around the free terminal of his oscillator increasing the plasma density and magnifying all energy transfers in the process. Also if you could keep the plasma condensed it would allow more plasma to gather and eventually allow a better flow of plasma into the ground where it wants to be. Plasma doesn't like to be displaced and that is what matter does. Plasma flows into our globe and it's origin is from our Sun. Why shouldn't we be able to condense or pressurize plasma and allow it to go to where it wants to be (ground). Why shouldn't we be able to harness that flow?

These other explorations of Tesla's work was to prove he was going in a direction and where that was leading him. Each experiment was a step to the ultimate understanding Tesla figured out about our world. Each phase was directed twords an aspect of understanding what induction is and how to harness it for our use.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 05, 2016, 01:30:21 AM
Yes, jbignes5, something looks familiar, but in a rather concentric way.

Here more candidates for our collection »free energy by concentric (magic) capacitors«.

Candidate one: Searl Effect Generator - Wikipedia, the censored encyclopedia (https://web.archive.org/web/20100403064811/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searl_Effect_Generator), (deleted due to ignorance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Searl_Effect_Generator))

Searl Effect Full Disclosure (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d1GO7rqg6Q), it works with concentric rings and ionized air? Sounds also familiar.

Btw, also censored on wikipedia: Testatika (https://web.archive.org/web/20060923020026/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testatika)

Since these censored pages are still retrievable on archive.org, surely it won't hurt anyone if they were also still available on wikipedia.org, will it?

Candidate two: The Hubbard Coil (https://blogs.sos.wa.gov/library/index.php/2012/12/too-good-to-be-true-the-hubbard-coil/). The statement »extract power from radium« is pure nonsense. Because »extracting electrical energy directly from the air« was hard to believe by some, he had to make something up more »plausible«. Since the Hubbard coil/transformer obviously runs on high voltage (step-up transformer), there is clearly more going on than just generating magnetic fields by means of a couple of coils.

But what about the Moray Device (https://web.archive.org/web/20160604030152/http://www.kennsplace.com/re.html)? Unfortunately we can't see what's inside the Moray device - or can we? If the image below is authentic, then it shows Moray's 100W device. Here again we have two cylinders looking like wire wrapped round metallic tubes, resulting in two concentric capacitors - and an additional coil on the right-hand side - fitting surprisingly Harold Aspden's figure 7. All coincidence, or could that Moray device be the candidate number three?

Anyhow, it is evident that each device that taps the aether energy makes use of concentric capacitor arrangements. Amazing.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Magluvin on December 05, 2016, 01:47:11 AM
Yeah capacitance has a bunch to do with this. Shuttling the charge back and forth between the plates and inducing a Pulsed DC component from that process via bifilar coils.

The figure one from the Colorado notes could also have a bifilar primary to reduce the bemf effect to the source.

The capacitance in his tower was on the above ground terminal to the ground terminal. One plate always being 0 and the other due to elevated potentials being 100v per meter high.

When the one plate gets enough potential gathered a bulb of plasma should be attracted to it and increase the umph when shorted to ground via the spark gap to ground through the coils.
The place to pick off extra energy is the self shorted coil and cap or even a self terminated bifilar choke as shown in his technical writings Pulling charge from that would be simply opening that bifilar choke and draining the energy from the increased capacitance of the bifilar in a pulsed method.

The tower is simply a capacitor just like our planet has a capacitor in it's design. One plate being the ionosphere and the other being the earth. The coils between the cap must extend the one plate (top plate) virtually higher up and this pulls the plasma down from the atmosphere. Once you get the plasma down to the plate you can funnel it through the coils and into the ground where it wants to be. To the plasma the ground is a vacuum. This is due to matter displacing the plasma field in the earth.

Time it right and it should act like this kind of sprinkler:

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51KVelwmxfL.jpg&f=1 (https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fecx.images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F51KVelwmxfL.jpg&f=1)

As for TK devices, well he was only verifying the Tesla process, this usually involved a ground connection and a way to stimulate the process to start.

Just a simple question for you guys. How is it we can draw energy from a battery or capacitor from the + and negative but we can't seem to draw energy from the positive and negative of the Sun replenishing earth capacitor? We can and we could have essentially free energy to power our civilization. The one problem is the powers that be. They don't want us to be equal. Money is the great divider of people and the great suppressor of the very thing that can free us. It's all there. We just need the courage to go and reap the harvest waiting for us.

We know one thing now that this earth and the effects we see from this capacitor's discharges drive the weather we see today. This means that if we could siphon off some energy flowing towords the ground that we could change the weather to a more pleasant level. We are now sure that the Sun and it's solar wind are driving this mechanism. If we tapped that mechanism and take off energy then what effect would you think would be the result? Take energy out of the system would do what? Lessen the strength of the effects of that system right?

Below is the explanation of how Tesla wanted to use this potential difference caused by the Sun and our Earth.

Look at the bottom section. A solenoid going into a bifilar coil with a solenoid wrapped around the bifilar coil. Plus with that action shorting to ground it would allow communication to any device Tesla made to receive such ground impulses.

This is his Niagara Falls example. Find a flow and harness that flow to generate energy and transmit intelligence via that process. The way you open and close the shorted solenoid around the Bifilar dictates the flow of energy through this system and you can attach intelligence in that process as well via the ground as a single terminal electrode.

Does anyone remember the lifter experiments? Why would you think Tesla designed a heavy anchor points for the legs of this tower? As the system charges up and the top cap plate reacts to the potential differences it tries to move towords the higher potential of the plasma above it. Essentially this would fly away or lift towards the higher potential of the plasma above it. Remember plasma is conductive to the higher potentials and gets attracted to that higher potential. Tesla described the center mast to ground was to better grip the earth. As well going deeper in the earth would increase the negative potential as much as going higher away from ground increases the positive potential. This will also increase the potential difference as well between the two plates of this capacitor and should increase the energy output at the Shorted cap and coil around the bifilar going to ground.

My best guess is that to start the process all you need to do is short the spark gap momentarily at position E. Once it is started all you would need is a spark gap system at the takeoff point or cap G position. This would open and close the magnetic clutch Coil C at the breakdown frequency of the takeoff point G as the cap G is discharged across the spark gap not shown. That would open the magnetic clutch and allow the system to ground itself and cause a great current flow though B', B and bifilar coil A and across the ground spark gap. This would charge up coil C and a magnetic field would be built up restricting the flow to ground. This is the oscillator section.

The take off circuit is at G and governed by the spark gap distance and used in the regular method Tesla used for impulses. Lighting and single wire motor could be used there or a regular transformer fed with impulses would convert the impulses to AC for traditional systems to use in the method Tesla has shown to a capacitance or virtual ground.

The heavy winding at the bottom with the cap G and the coil C look to be just an isolated LC.  I may be wrong.

Mags
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Magluvin on December 06, 2016, 01:58:43 AM
The heavy winding at the bottom with the cap G and the coil C look to be just an isolated LC.  I may be wrong.

Mags

Its strange.  Just looking at the depiction of the tower, if the cap of the top of the tower is able to produce a spark at the far bottom, a bit underground it seems, happens often enough, then the LC I described as, what it looks like, isolated, then the tower unit as a whole may be a self powered transmitter. ???

The tower pics up charge from the air above and when the spark gap fires, the coil from the top cap to the ground induces the seemingly isolated LC which in turn reinduces the tower coil producing a tuned transmitter effect, and repeat. If the spark is fairly often, possibly sparking at higher freq than one may imagine, then the tower may be like I said, a self powered power transmitter. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: forest on December 06, 2016, 03:42:45 PM
Maybe that's why the previous not patented device was composed of two towers ?  ::)
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 06, 2016, 04:40:31 PM
So, as it looks, all electric free energy devices are working upon the principle of the concentric (magic) capacitor. But what if we have only half of a concentric capacitor? Would this also create any unexpected effect?

Example: Working OU device Video from Wesley (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw4zyvuZgVU&feature=youtu.be&t=23m39s)

»again the strength of the field was tremendous«

»if you once get this magnetic field - you will be amazed«

Yes, apparently they were amazed. :D

»-pain in the part of the head. Felt similar to mechanical impact.«

Bottom line: Don't use Russian ferrite core for the construction of concentric capacitors. Your head could be damaged.

In January 2012 (http://web.archive.org/web/20120111160459/http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/) the yoke page was there, in March 2012 (http://web.archive.org/web/20120312185308/http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas) the yoke page was already gone. Today there is still a page named the Lithuania Experiment (http://freeenergylt.narod.ru/index/0-17) but there is no trace that the yoke device ever existed. Wonder why. Because they hit by chance the principle of the »magic« capacitor, but although an odd effect was clearly present, it was mysterious at that time what really caused that effect?

Now we see more clearly.

In order to generate the effect the yoke device needs two synchronized generators G1 and G2. Accordingly the Stepanov device seems to work also with two frequencies. 50Hz base frequency (like yoke device) and synchronized 100Hz generated by a frequency doubler circuit. (http://overunity.com/16508/new-april-2016-video-from-kapanadze-shows-again-kwatts-of-free-energy/dlattach/attach/157151/)

Forum-technical hint:

If now someone gets very enthusiastic about those findings, so therefore he absolutely needs to post oversized drawings, the solution to that is a Firefox plugin called Stylish (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/stylish/). Copy the following lines into that plugin and that oversize image problem will be eliminated:

@-moz-document domain("overunity.com") {
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Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Magluvin on December 07, 2016, 03:30:39 AM
Here I have a better resolution of the tower base circuit. I numbered the LC coil windings and it looks isolated to me. I skipped through the pat and I dont see that it describes a spark gap at the top of the described ground plate at the bottom of the pic so far. It looks like there may be something other than just a wire connection there. Maybe the pat description is not telling the whole story on the device.

Im kinda wondering if what I described as a self powered tower may work. According to many other Tesla patents, a spark can be had with a tower of this sort. And if the gap were tuned, probably needing tuning quite often due to weather and other conditions, to spark at a high enough repetition rate, the LC could be kept going.

Im reading it over as it talks of resonance with the main coils and the LC.

It describes G (here below the cap is to the left) as either a cap or a generator.  ???   So why show just a cap there instead of a generator? Seems very odd to just depict a cap as sole input, without any further idea of how the cap gets its charge. ;) Doesnt jive with other Tesla drawings where he would at least show some sort of input lines with at least a simple gen symbol or something. ??? ;)   Maybe he was showing something without actually telling. :o ;D

The tower looks like a self standing unit with no wired input of any sort. ??? ;)

Mags
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on December 07, 2016, 05:43:04 AM
My point exactly Mags...

If you look at the diagram I put up earlier of the Tower, well that was from the notes going from Colorado to the Island.

It is very clear Tesla had other intentions for this device. The spark gap at the end of coil A which is an extra coil setup connecting to the very high capacitance top load. He used special single terminal tubes to disperse the High voltage back rush over the surface area of those single terminal capacitors. Kinda like a Leyden jar. This did two things. It gave the Tower something to collect the recoil from the spark gap at the ground connection. This charged the Top load immensely and attracted the plasma from the upper atmosphere down to the Tower. This allowed the top load to be charged to very high voltages because it was shorted to the ionosphere, which value is at +360k volts as we all know. Now it isn't a true shorted connection so it's value would be less but think about it. 200k volts or there about, going into the ground via the spark gap.

We know Tesla used the spark gap in his radiant energy patents (figure 1&2). This is no difference if you know Tesla's methods or if you are schooled in the arts as Tesla would say.
"(figure one) "Again in Fig. 19 two transmitting circuits, one grounded directly and the other thru an air gap are shown. It is a common observation that the former is far more effective, which could not be the case with Hertz radiations. In a like manner if two grounded circuits are observed from day to day the effect is found to increase greatly with the dampness of the ground, and for the same reason also the transmission thru sea-water is more efficient.""

The spark gap could be modified with a magnetic shunt and a special trigger point to get the process started (figure 3). I assumed the spark gap was housed below ground to shield most things from the radiant energy blasts that Tesla's disruptive circuit causes.

At point G would be the normal Tesla discharge circuit as I drew out earlier. This allows one to convert the impulses into AC via a solenoid excitation via the impulses after point G discharges to ground (virtual as well).

Why exactly do you think they tore the Tower down? It wasn't because of them thinking the Germans would get it, oh no... It was because he hid this very fact from his financier Morgan that the tower was demolished.

If you read the text, well don't. It was only to get this past the Patent process. Refer to his Radiant harvesting techniques to piece this one together.

I think output of this device went to ground and radiated away from the ground. One huge capacitance just like the top loads on the Lodge coils (Tesla coils) of this day. He was broadcasting from the ground into the air as well and could harvest energy or intelligence at will and even using a virtual grounding system with it. The Tower was essentially free just like Niagara falls as and he hooked his system to the very wheel work of nature. The only cost would be building the device, everything else was free just like in Niagara Falls.

Listen this tower is nothing but a controlled blocking oscillator. It's that simple.. Powered by the voltage difference between the ground and the atmosphere.

Once it was fluttering away all he did was disruptively discharge the Cap G into a bifilar coil/Solenoid coil transformer and out an antenna or virtual ground.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Magluvin on December 07, 2016, 07:02:13 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture)

The electron avalanches produced in extremely high voltage fields may well be the result of K-capture.  This is when a K orbital electron is captured by the nucleus.   If the nucleus has an abundance of protons the capture will convert a proton to a neutron,emit a neutrino and leave an isotope of the next element to the left in the periodic table.  The electrons in the outer orbitals will fill the hole in the k orbital and emit a photon in the xray spectrum.  Tesla was experimenting in what one could call high voltage fields.  Producing many an avalanche.  A fairly new discovery is that run of the mill lighning storms produce gamma and xray photons.  This is a sure indication that something nuclear is going on in the clouds.  I wonder if Tesla at some point in his research became aware of nuclear reactions induced in the gases surounding his coils.  I would think that the probability of K-capture would be greatly enhance by the initial ionization and susequent acceleration of electrons donated by gasses finding themselves near the top load capacitors on his transformers.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12158718 (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-12158718)

Hey Sparks

Been a while. Wondered where you were.  Good to hear from ya. Looked back at your posts, its been a year.

Mags
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Magluvin on December 07, 2016, 07:36:26 AM
My point exactly Mags...

If you look at the diagram I put up earlier of the Tower, well that was from the notes going from Colorado to the Island.

It is very clear Tesla had other intentions for this device. The spark gap at the end of coil A which is an extra coil setup connecting to the very high capacitance top load. He used special single terminal tubes to disperse the High voltage back rush over the surface area of those single terminal capacitors. Kinda like a Leyden jar. This did two things. It gave the Tower something to collect the recoil from the spark gap at the ground connection. This charged the Top load immensely and attracted the plasma from the upper atmosphere down to the Tower. This allowed the top load to be charged to very high voltages because it was shorted to the ionosphere, which value is at +360k volts as we all know. Now it isn't a true shorted connection so it's value would be less but think about it. 200k volts or there about, going into the ground via the spark gap.

We know Tesla used the spark gap in his radiant energy patents (figure 1&2). This is no different if you know Tesla's methods or if you are schooled in the arts as Tesla would say.

The spark gap could be modified with a magnetic shunt and a special trigger point to get the process started. I assumed the spark gap was housed below ground to shield most things from the radiant energy blasts that Tesla's disruptive circuit causes.

At point G would be the normal Tesla discharge circuit as I drew out earlier. This allows one to convert the impulses into AC via a solenoid excitation via the impulses after point G discharges to ground (virtual as well).

Why exactly do you think they tore the Tower down? It wasn't because of them thinking the Germans would get it, oh no... It was because he hid this very fact from his financier Morgan that the tower was demolished.

If you read the text, well don't. It was only to get this past the Patent process. Refer to his Radiant harvesting techniques to piece this one together.

I think output of this device went to ground and radiated away from the ground. One huge capacitance just like the top loads on the Lodge coils (Tesla coils) of this day. He was broadcasting from the ground into the air as well and could harvest energy or intelligence at will and even using a virtual grounding system with it. The Tower was essentially free just like Niagara falls as and he hooked his system to the very wheel work of nature. The only cost would be building the device, everything else was free just like in Niagara Falls.

Hey Bigs

Im kinda not seeing the circuit you had shown as being what the pic shows. I dont see any indication that there is a spark gap in series with the G and C. I think its very possible the G and C LC is just a electrically isolated resonator. That is if he intended that the depiction holds more value than the description.

For my theory, and its just that, a theory, there would need to be a spark gap somewhere in the main coil circuit between the top of the tower to the ground, and where you point out, the connection area just above the ground plate looks like a good spot for it.

So as the top of the tower charges up, the spark to ground happens allowing current to flow through the main tower coil circuit causing a mag field impulse which stimulates the G and C LC. Then in return the LC induces the tower coil sending off the 'power' transmission, then repeat, depending on the freq of how often the spark can be generated. Kinda like you said about Niagara falls, this would use the charge in the atmosphere as the down flow of water.

If we can imagine the size of the tower, the C coil is made with a huge monster conductor in comparison, Super low ohm for little loss.

Maybe instead of having the spark gap in your circuit in series with the G and C cap and coil, there can be a coil collapse circuit dump to the cap to keep it going. If that collapse current is quick enough, the cap G would charge as the C coil being an impedance would allow the cap to charge possibly. If that is the way it is intended to be receiving input.  The missing spark gap in the G and C has me thinking otherwise.

Man, we need some farm land to build it. lol

Mags
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 07, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
Here I have a better resolution of the tower base circuit.
My point exactly Mags...
Hey Sparks

Been a while. Wondered where you were.  Good to hear from ya. Looked back at your posts, its been a year.

Mags
Hey Bigs

It seems this thread now is about one important thing: Don't reply to any post that mentions a concentric capacitor.

What's wrong with that concentric capacitor? Is it indeed the key to a working free electric energy device? So better not to call attention to it? Maybe a new thread should be created that summarizes this subject and hand over this one to chitchat Tesla's spark gaps.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: iflewmyown on December 07, 2016, 01:25:42 PM

"Maybe a new thread should be created that summarizes this subject"

I would be happy to see a thread on the subject.
Thanks
Garry
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 07, 2016, 04:45:23 PM
Instead of writing all over again in a new thread I would prefer to save my time for doing some experiments. 8)

The Swiss Machine "Testatika" (http://www.macmep.ru/testatika/testatika.htm)

That page says, source of the Testatika replication images unknown. But is it for real? If so, I can see a coil with two red wires inside a metallic cylinder which is connected most likely to (virtual) ground. Kapanadze's cylinder is also connected to ground. Kapanadze's output wire is orange.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: sparks on December 07, 2016, 07:47:19 PM
Hi Mags,

Thought it interesting that using Tesla's highvoltage circuits could accelerate the radioactive decay of spent nuclear waste.  Just kind of intuitive is that the odds of k capture and subsequent transmutation of various isotopes would be greatly enhanced in an electronic avalanche.  The gamma and xrays could supply heat if captured in a suitable lattice while the waste is transmutated to stable elements.

Good to see your still at it.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on December 10, 2016, 01:42:18 AM
Hey Bigs

Im kinda not seeing the circuit you had shown as being what the pic shows. I dont see any indication that there is a spark gap in series with the G and C. I think its very possible the G and C LC is just a electrically isolated resonator. That is if he intended that the depiction holds more value than the description.

For my theory, and its just that, a theory, there would need to be a spark gap somewhere in the main coil circuit between the top of the tower to the ground, and where you point out, the connection area just above the ground plate looks like a good spot for it.

So as the top of the tower charges up, the spark to ground happens allowing current to flow through the main tower coil circuit causing a mag field impulse which stimulates the G and C LC. Then in return the LC induces the tower coil sending off the 'power' transmission, then repeat, depending on the freq of how often the spark can be generated. Kinda like you said about Niagara falls, this would use the charge in the atmosphere as the down flow of water.

If we can imagine the size of the tower, the C coil is made with a huge monster conductor in comparison, Super low ohm for little loss.

Maybe instead of having the spark gap in your circuit in series with the G and C cap and coil, there can be a coil collapse circuit dump to the cap to keep it going. If that collapse current is quick enough, the cap G would charge as the C coil being an impedance would allow the cap to charge possibly. If that is the way it is intended to be receiving input.  The missing spark gap in the G and C has me thinking otherwise.

Man, we need some farm land to build it. lol

Mags

Anything left of the bifilar coil going to ground is the spark gap addition but the LC is part of the transformer going to ground where you can tap the flow across the magnetic spark gap. This is an added system to extract energy without reflecting it back to the grounded bifilar transformer. You could think of it like a split in a water tube, only scooping out a portion of the flow and borrowing it before releasing it to the ground.
As to the spark gap to the ground well those pictures go with a report that showed that a spark gap increased the power of the system with better efficiency. This is due to the impulsive nature of this kind of oscillator. This one is the falls analogy that takes a flow already there and flowing and harnesses it in much the same way as Niagara Falls power plant did there.
Out in space the plasma density is immense. Near earth matter displaces it and causes a vacuum but it is still very connected in some way. That would be the voltage connection.
There will be liitations though. Thats why these would make wonderful communication towers that are connected like the internet is via nodal groups. Pure digital on and off type of communication. With Amazing bandwidth and range. Yes even off planet.. This is a new type of system that could open our societies up to pure communication and limitless energy for all to use... All completely natural.

One caveat to this diagram. The right-> extra coil should be horizontal by Tesla's own diagrams. They need to be out of magnetic relations to work right. I might have the bifilar coil in the wrong position as well. The bifilar coil was to be used as a substitute for the top load capacity. So the bottom bifilar should be above and a regular solenoid would be used there to facilitate the oscillator function instead with the bifilar capacity used as a top load with no ball.
Once initiated this thing should ping away happily till it falls apart from old age.

Oh, by the way the military has triggered spark gaps as well and certain suppliers sell them to here : http://www.highenergydevices.com/products/three-electrode%20/
The only thing wrong with em is the life of the gaps.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 10, 2016, 11:40:06 AM
jbignes5, maybe you could make a drawing about a concentric capacitor with some annotations what you think how it works and how it could interact with a Tesla coil and a spark gap. And surely you also have an idea why the D-1943 machine needs two wires (a and b) to connect to the metallic tube.

Regards ;)
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Tesluh on December 11, 2016, 02:58:50 AM
https://youtu.be/2HCMfg96bcs?t=701

Is this the effect this thread was originally referring to?  I don't have a tesla coil or I would experiment with this.  I do have a small pile of nst's, not sure if that would work but would need to get some proper materials to build a large capacitor.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on December 11, 2016, 05:09:00 AM
jbignes5, maybe you could make a drawing about a concentric capacitor with some annotations what you think how it works and how it could interact with a Tesla coil and a spark gap. And surely you also have an idea why the D-1943 machine needs two wires (a and b) to connect to the metallic tube.

Regards ;)

Really I have nothing to say about caps.. They are caps...

Here is a Tesla patent on a leyden style cap..  https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-567818-electrical-condenser

Or even a high voltage cable designed to work with impulses...

https://teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla/patents/us-patent-514167-electrical-conductor

The thing with caps though is that they don't last long and they are an added cost when you could always use the bifilar method to store energy... Especially in single terminal mode...
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Zeitmaschine on December 12, 2016, 07:20:56 PM
Really I have nothing to say about caps.. They are caps...

Strange. Here (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg319902/#msg319902) you wrote »Capacitors are the workhorse Tesla used!« after posing an article about Tesla and his condensers. And further »So the condenser is the force provider with the quenched spark gap being the activator.« Then maybe condensers can also provide force without the use of a quenched spark gap as activator? Especially when they are concentric?
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: jbignes5 on December 12, 2016, 11:12:42 PM
Strange. Here (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg319902/#msg319902) you wrote »Capacitors are the workhorse Tesla used!« after posing an article about Tesla and his condensers. And further »So the condenser is the force provider with the quenched spark gap being the activator.« Then maybe condensers can also provide force without the use of a quenched spark gap as activator? Especially when they are concentric?

They are part of the system yes. I have shown the improvements that Tesla did in the area of caps but the only ones that could handle the kind of electric force were the oil filled ones. He also said that caps were ok but they were expensive and needed high maintenance. So he worked out a way to include them in a coil design, in the very design of the coil. If it was to counter him placing caps across a coil then he would rather use the Bifilar design which includes the capacity right in the design.

The spark gap is a way to get impulses that effect other coils and stimulate an AC response from them. If a ground or virtual ground is used you can strengthen the AC response. Trying to replace the gaps would be fruitless in this application because of the capabilities of an analogue device to interrupt the current. The magnetic inclusion was to filter the impulses so they were truly one way. Silicon can not handle that kind of impulse power.
Title: Re: The 'free energy' spark
Post by: Jo-EL on May 01, 2017, 08:52:26 PM
The issue with the Avramenko plug is that free energy that comes in shape of HV DC is USELESS. You can draw funny sparks with it, but no chance to step it down in order to drive common electric equipment. What we need is a continuously oscillating Avramenko plug output, thus we have to convert (step down) the HV at each oscillation cycle, not just simply charging up a DC capacitor with it.

This is only half of the answer. Between 220V in and out (in equals out actually) there should be high voltage phase-locked at twice of the base frequency. Best theory so far: Connect a 50Hz HV transformer to 220V/50Hz via a diode bridge (http://overunity.com/16508/new-april-2016-video-from-kapanadze-shows-again-kwatts-of-free-energy/msg481799/#msg481799) (plus parallel resistor) and a capacitor, so it runs at 100Hz. Then step that high voltage down again by means of a second HV transformer. Connect one side of the HV to ground and also one side of the load. Or - maybe the better choice - connect one side of the 100Hz HV through the 50Hz load to ground. Use a capacitor to get 50Hz LC resonance. The 100Hz HV frequency should modulate that 50Hz resonance frequency like a pendulum is modulated by the parametric excitation frequency. At the point in time when additional energy is supplied (from the aether by means of high voltage) the resonance frequency should change in order to capture that energy (electrons) and to route it through the load.

Principle: in/out 220V/50Hz -> 220V/100Hz -> 5000V/100Hz grounded -> 220V/100Hz connected to in/out 220V/50Hz (makes a closed resonating loop)

A high voltage three-phase transformer (http://overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/dlattach/attach/157115/) consists of three transformers. So, one steps up (at 100Hz), one steps down and one is to spare. And that's the reason why people working with three-phase systems frequently come across of that OU effect but ordinary experimenters don't. Who in the heck experiments with two microwave oven transformers connected back to back running at doubled grid frequency? No one, I would guess.

That »back to back« reminds me btw somewhat on this (incomplete) Barbosa patent drawing (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/dlattach/attach/126157/). It's a coincidence perhaps.

Now, since that theory is rather brilliant, how to do it practically... ?

Regards ;D

@Zeitmaschine

Wie meinst du das ?
How do you mean that ?

220V/100 Hz to looped output ? Input ?