Author Topic: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago (Read 105057 times)

TinselKoala · « **Reply #225 on:** February 13, 2015, 04:29:54 PM »

Dave is apparently so afraid of the results that he won't even do the SDT protocol testing _himself_! He apparently refuses even to acknowledge the existence of Observer Bias, the Placebo Effect, the truth of the Feynman quote, or the fact that there is a sucker born every minute.

Tell me Dave, do you have expensive speaker cables in your system? Do you have a Tice Clock? How about the wood knobs that improve sound quality? Do you bi-wire your speakers? If not... why not? The claims for those things have just as much user experiences and anecdotal reports behind them or even more, than the Bedini Clairifier does. Aren't you interested in getting the best possible sound from your system?

conradelektro · « **Reply #226 on:** February 13, 2015, 04:47:35 PM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on February 13, 2015, 04:29:54 PM

Dave is apparently so afraid of the results that he won't even do the SDT protocol testing _himself_! He apparently refuses even to acknowledge the existence of Observer Bias, the Placebo Effect, the truth of the Feynman quote, or the fact that there is a sucker born every minute.
......

Dave should not be afraid of any result.

All advertising helps, even negative advertising. I would say in this case "negative reports" would be even more beneficial to sales figures, because people who believe in the "supernatural" like to be rebels against "mainstream science".

So, if "mainstream science" says that the Bedini CD Clarifier is bogus, this would actually be a big reason to buy one, just because some like to rebel in a harmless and not dangerous way against "the persons who think they know all".

Freud would tell you, that we all have a "teacher complex", that we all got hurt a bit by our teachers because they were such overpowering figures in our youth. And some then like to rebel against that "teacher" represented by mainstream science. I see that very often in the OU forums. Some have a really big "teacher complex".

TinselKoala you are (inadvertently) a big advertiser of the Bedine CD Clarifier. Keep on talking about it and Dave will sell many.

In my opinion, selling the Bedini CD Clarifier is not more or less fraudulent than selling food supplements. Therefore I am not condemning Dave and Bedini, they just want to make a living.

By the way, every day you should eat a spoon full of honey with cinnamon, your health and live will improve rapidly.

Greetings, Conrad

memoryman · « **Reply #227 on:** February 13, 2015, 04:57:28 PM »

conradelektro, selling bogus food supplements and health quackery are more dangerous; however, do you want to sit back and let charlatans do what they want because 'it does not hurt anybody (except financially)' ?

conradelektro · « **Reply #228 on:** February 13, 2015, 05:04:01 PM »

Quote from: memoryman on February 13, 2015, 04:57:28 PM

conradelektro, selling bogus food supplements and health quackery are more dangerous; however, do you want to sit back and let charlatans do what they want because 'it does not hurt anybody (except financially)' ?

No, I would like to expose charlatans.

But look at the threads in this OU forum, one can never shut up the charlatans and their self appointed apostles. Even after contradicting themselves over and over again, they keep up the silly game.

The same holds true in all areas of life. People just like to be swindled (also you and me, everybody at his level and liking). It is so much more fun than the ordinary. The "truth" is very boring and discouraging, therefore we need religion, politics, esoterica, cinema, television, story books and all the other "make believes".

Why are you here in this forum? You hope to find the extraordinary. Well, some will supply the extraordinary (as much as that is possible).

Greetings, Conrad

MileHigh · « **Reply #229 on:** February 13, 2015, 09:00:10 PM »

I watched the clip about the error coding system for CDs that Mark linked to. It shows you how the digital bits are effectively scrambled by the error coding mechanism.

There is simply no way that the CD "clarifier" can possibly do anything. And Rick was closely associated with JB for years, including years when JB was selling this quackery. He is still selling it.

Dual Beam? Quad beam? Ultra beam? Does that give you good, better, best sound quality?

I wish that somebody would rip it apart and reverse engineer it and then post some videos. Typically you need to clip off the potting compound very carefully with a pair of pliers, it could possibly be a lot of work. Anyone considering doing this should check about the legality of YouTube teardown videos lest they incur the wrath of JB. I seem to recall seeing people doing iPhone teardown videos, as an example.

What would you find inside? I can safely predict that you will not see any "beam technology apparatus." Perhaps just a motor and a fifty-cent 4-bit microcontroller to check for the button push and then switch on the transistor to turn on the drive motor. There might be a token kitchen counter magnet or two embedded in the potting compound to feign like the magnets are there to support the "beam" technology.

There is no honour in selling snake oil to gullible audiophiles.

memoryman · « **Reply #230 on:** February 13, 2015, 09:43:49 PM »

conrad: very good points; believers rarely change their beliefs because of facts/evidence.
An excellent book on 'why people believe' is "The believing brain" by Michael Shermer (ISBN 978-1250-00880-0).
Of course, Dave has a financial incentive to sell these contraptions. They are also a form of placebo.
MH: of course Dave is not interested in objective data; that would interfere with his 'belief'.

MarkE · « **Reply #231 on:** February 13, 2015, 11:58:07 PM »

Quote from: Dave Wing on February 13, 2015, 02:12:32 PM

Yes people have bought them and never complained... Because it works, plain and simple.

-Dave Wing

No the machine has no effect on the data stream that comes from the discs at all. The only effect is in the imagination of the user.

MarkE · « **Reply #232 on:** February 14, 2015, 12:07:27 AM »

Quote from: Dave Wing on February 13, 2015, 02:56:40 PM

It is statements like these that demonstrate a closed mind not open to the possibility that does exist outside their own limited understanding. Is it possible that the device is doing something that is outside your own very limited understanding?
Have you ever thought about that one?

-Dave Wing

A closed mind is one that rejects objective data.

Objective fact #1: You have no comparative PCM data. You have no objective information that the disc data is altered.
Objective fact #2: CD's encode data in an encoded, interleaved format. In order to affect something as simple as the resolution requires synchronization and decoding of the data stream. The Bedini device does nothing to read the disc.
Objective fact #3: The data on the disc is encoded in pits approximately 1 millionth of a meter in length and a fraction of a millionth of a meter in depth. The Bedini device has no mechanism that can concentrate energy anywhere within several orders of magnitude of the dimensions of the physical encoding means.

You gleefully ignore these indisputable facts and claim that the device alters the data read from the disc. You have no objective data to show that the data is altered, and no physical basis on which to believe that the data could be altered. And the fact is that the Bedini device does not alter the data.

MarkE · « **Reply #233 on:** February 14, 2015, 12:10:29 AM »

Quote from: conradelektro on February 13, 2015, 04:47:35 PM

Dave should not be afraid of any result.

All advertising helps, even negative advertising. I would say in this case "negative reports" would be even more beneficial to sales figures, because people who believe in the "supernatural" like to be rebels against "mainstream science".

So, if "mainstream science" says that the Bedini CD Clarifier is bogus, this would actually be a big reason to buy one, just because some like to rebel in a harmless and not dangerous way against "the persons who think they know all".

Freud would tell you, that we all have a "teacher complex", that we all got hurt a bit by our teachers because they were such overpowering figures in our youth. And some then like to rebel against that "teacher" represented by mainstream science. I see that very often in the OU forums. Some have a really big "teacher complex".

TinselKoala you are (inadvertently) a big advertiser of the Bedine CD Clarifier. Keep on talking about it and Dave will sell many.

In my opinion, selling the Bedini CD Clarifier is not more or less fraudulent than selling food supplements. Therefore I am not condemning Dave and Bedini, they just want to make a living.

By the way, every day you should eat a spoon full of honey with cinnamon, your health and live will improve rapidly.

Greetings, Conrad

Based on his eBay store rankings they have not been flying off the shelf.

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #234 on:** February 14, 2015, 03:31:24 AM »

I agree with Conrad. I have actually been able to "fix" or "repair" some of my older, abused CD's by polishing the scratches off of the protective plastic layer. This process also removes dirt and grease as the first step is to clean it very well. You can sand/polish scratches off of the layer and "restore" a CD that skips or repeats. Now this makes sense as you are actually altering the physical surface of the CD.

I will say that it does not improve "sound" or given freqs. as the CD either plays, or it does not. The info can either be read, or not. Skipping and repeating is probably a side effect of the error cancelling technology. The sound is not improved by removing scratches, but the playability is.

I do not have to buy a device to see that there is no way for it to work. I do not have to test something that has 0 chance of making any freq. response improvements. Of course I am far from perfect and do not know everything...no one does. But seriously folks, what possible basis or theory could make this device work? I do not see any....any at all.

Bill

PS If you live in a dusty area like my apartment, you can also improve playability by cleaning the optics (very carefully with a high grade alcohol and dust free applicator) of the laser on the player. I do this about 1/year and you would not believe the dust that gets in there. Again, this only improves playability, not frequency response as I don't think that is possible.

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #235 on:** February 14, 2015, 03:46:33 AM »

Quote from: TinselKoala on February 13, 2015, 04:29:54 PM

Dave is apparently so afraid of the results that he won't even do the SDT protocol testing _himself_! He apparently refuses even to acknowledge the existence of Observer Bias, the Placebo Effect, the truth of the Feynman quote, or the fact that there is a sucker born every minute.

Tell me Dave, do you have expensive speaker cables in your system? Do you have a Tice Clock? How about the wood knobs that improve sound quality? Do you bi-wire your speakers? If not... why not? The claims for those things have just as much user experiences and anecdotal reports behind them or even more, than the Bedini Clairifier does. Aren't you interested in getting the best possible sound from your system?

Exactly. I had a guy in a stereo shop trying to sell me gold guitar cord plugs. He said that the lower resistance of the gold made for more sound transmission and a "purer" tone from the guitar. Well, when I pointed out that the plugs were only gold plated, not solid, and told him how thin the plating actually was...he just said that he could "hear" the difference on his own guitar and did not really understand the science behind it. I purchased the regular phono plugs. for 1/10 the price.

Bill

MarkE · « **Reply #236 on:** February 14, 2015, 03:51:45 AM »

Quote from: Pirate88179 on February 14, 2015, 03:46:33 AM

Exactly. I had a guy in a stereo shop trying to sell me gold guitar cord plugs. He said that the lower resistance of the gold made for more sound transmission and a "purer" tone from the guitar. Well, when I pointed out that the plugs were only gold plated, not solid, and told him how thin the plating actually was...he just said that he could "hear" the difference on his own guitar and did not really understand the science behind it. I purchased the regular phono plugs. for 1/10 the price.

Bill

Or maybe you could point out that the copper wire used has a lower resistance than gold! The advantage of gold is that it resists tarnish. The wiping action of inserting the plug wipes the dendrites off of tin coating making that advantage of gold moot.

jonfrommanahawkin1 · « **Reply #237 on:** February 14, 2015, 04:36:58 AM »

Quote from: MarkE on February 14, 2015, 03:51:45 AM

Or maybe you could point out that the copper wire used has a lower resistance than gold! The advantage of gold is that it resists tarnish. The wiping action of inserting the plug wipes the dendrites off of tin coating making that advantage of gold moot.

Did you just say copper has less resistance then gold?
and we are suppose to take you serious?
wow

Pirate88179 · « **Reply #238 on:** February 14, 2015, 04:53:11 AM »

Quote from: jonfrommanahawkin1 on February 14, 2015, 04:36:58 AM

Did you just say copper has less resistance then gold?
and we are suppose to take you serious?
wow

Have you not looked this up or something? Mark is correct.

Bill

memoryman · « **Reply #239 on:** February 14, 2015, 04:53:43 AM »

Yes, jonfrommanahawkin1, gold is a worse conductor than copper; only silver is (slightly) better than copper.
Mark knows his stuff - you don't.

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