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MarkE

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #120 on: February 09, 2015, 11:08:30 PM »
I appreciate this. I didn't realize these guys have been on here for years. I guess they view it their board and take offence of people promoting OU. I just don't really get it. Not sure what the point of this forum is then. "Advanced" electronics guys seeking to disprove OU. Fun club I guess. Anyway, I don't have time to deal with childish behavior. And like you said, I didn't come here to prove anything. I can make statements and I don't expect people to believe them just as much as I don't believe anything until I have good reason to. This is all just a place to share information. While it may be true that you guys can do some interesting things, it is a joke to say nothing is possible beyond what you have discovered. That is the mentality you present here. As for the way I come across, you have to interpret it with a big smile on my face. I am laughing while I am typing. It is all in good fun. I'm dishing back what they are throwing at me. I'm playing the game they want to play. If there was nothing in anything I have said or was doing they would have just ignored it, but instead they are very determined to attack. I know some of you demand that I spend all of my time to give you everything I have but I don't feel the need. If this "News" statement that I posted in the news category is so offensive then moderators feel free to delete it.
That's funny, where have I said such things in this thread as you allege?  I've asked you to clearly state what it is that you say you will show people who attend your meetings.  I would think that you would want people to know what to expect.  I would expect that if you would want them to be excited about what they expect to see so that they would be happy to pay the admission fee.  I would think that if you believe you have the free energy capability that you stated earlier that you would be happy to learn of methods that would allow you to prove that one way or another in just a couple hours right before your audience's eyes. 

Of course, if you are promising free energy that you don't think you have, you wouldn't likely be very excited about any definitive proof that would destroy such a claim.  If your intentions are to deceive then you would likely want to be as opaque as possible.

rickfriedrich

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #121 on: February 09, 2015, 11:20:27 PM »
You want me to just have the meeting on the web I guess and say everything here. We are not doing a forum meeting thank you. Just don't worry about the meeting. We are making it for those who asked. We are not begging you to come or pushing you to come.

That's funny, where have I said such things in this thread as you allege?  I've asked you to clearly state what it is that you say you will show people who attend your meetings.  I would think that you would want people to know what to expect.  I would expect that if you would want them to be excited about what they expect to see so that they would be happy to pay the admission fee.  I would think that if you believe you have the free energy capability that you stated earlier that you would be happy to learn of methods that would allow you to prove that one way or another in just a couple hours right before your audience's eyes. 

Of course, if you are promising free energy that you don't think you have, you wouldn't likely be very excited about any definitive proof that would destroy such a claim.  If your intentions are to deceive then you would likely want to be as opaque as possible.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #122 on: February 09, 2015, 11:21:32 PM »
Rich, none of what you said is 'true'; that's just how it occurs for you. All are very open to new ideas; they apply rigor to their experiments and have high expectations of others too.
Again, my experience (also not 'the truth') with them is different. I interpret all posts in a very 'open' manner and am invariably polite; I get much better interactions that way.
Personally, I am doing research in alternative energy tech, but not what most consider 'OU".
For me, if all powerplants were replaced with LFTRs (using Thorium), effectively our energy needs would be met in a sufficiently clean way for several thousand years.
I just may go to the Chicago event if I have a good reason to be in that neighborhood then.
Meanwhile, IF you truly have  an OU technology, what's stopping you from mass production?

rickfriedrich

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #123 on: February 10, 2015, 12:00:15 AM »
I know what you mean. But there is no way to rectify this matter now. I am guilty by past associations even though we would probably be in much agreement about such. They also consider me a liar so there is really no getting beyond that either. This is a hostile environment so there is no room for discussion. I really don't value online interaction anymore for this reason. In person people usually don't act this way and you can progress much better. Online people hide behind their computers and turn into animals. lol I don't have the patience for that anymore. I understand their demands and you guys all want to discuss everything out endlessly. That's fine. I didn't come here for that. I'm not saying that I'm holding back anything, it's just that one thing leads to another and I'll spend a month accomplishing nothing in the end.
As for the meetings it will fill up fast and it will be fairly small.

none of what you said is 'true'; that's just how it occurs for you. All are very open to new ideas; they apply rigor to their experiments and have high expectations of others too.
Again, my experience (also not 'the truth') with them is different. I interpret all posts in a very 'open' manner and am invariably polite; I get much better interactions that way.
Personally, I am doing research in alternative energy tech, but not what most consider 'OU".
For me, if all powerplants were replaced with LFTRs (using Thorium), effectively our energy needs would be met in a sufficiently clean way for several thousand years.
I jus may go to the Chicago event if I have a good reason to be in that neighborhood then.
Meanwhile, IF you truly have  an OU technology, what's stopping you from mass production?

MarkE

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #124 on: February 10, 2015, 12:13:43 AM »
You want me to just have the meeting on the web I guess and say everything here. We are not doing a forum meeting thank you. Just don't worry about the meeting. We are making it for those who asked. We are not begging you to come or pushing you to come.
That's funny:  where did I ask you to make your meetings web forums? 

You can say what you are promising to show attendees, or keep back sliding. You bemoan being painted with the same brush as recent associates.  Yet, you employ many of their techniques at obfuscation and prevarication.   When offered means to prove one way or another whether your free energy claims are true, you have become very defensive.  The pattern is all too familiar.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #125 on: February 10, 2015, 12:26:54 AM »
no where mark you truly are demonstrating your low I Q

Jon

its called news so people can know about the conference otherwise how else are people going to learn about it. no inventor can get a word in here

rickfriedrich

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #126 on: February 10, 2015, 01:07:48 AM »
No I don't care about. I care more about attitude than FE OU.

That's funny:  where did I ask you to make your meetings web forums? 

You can say what you are promising to show attendees, or keep back sliding. You bemoan being painted with the same brush as recent associates.  Yet, you employ many of their techniques at obfuscation and prevarication.   When offered means to prove one way or another whether your free energy claims are true, you have become very defensive.  The pattern is all too familiar.

MarkE

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #127 on: February 10, 2015, 01:10:29 AM »
no where mark you truly are demonstrating your low I Q

Jon

its called news so people can know about the conference otherwise how else are people going to learn about it. no inventor can get a word in here
I better get that tested.  Some have told me they think my IQ might be somewhere in the lower 99 percentiles.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #128 on: February 10, 2015, 01:12:13 AM »
That may not be a bad idea, you already know what windex tastes like

;)
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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #129 on: February 10, 2015, 01:14:18 AM »
No I don't care about. I care more about attitude than FE OU.
You claim to have a means to produce free energy, which if true would be as significant as the discovery of fire, and yet you say you are more concerned with attitude than proving your claim?  If your claim were true it would fundamentally transform life on the planet.  But you say you are worried about attitude?  That just doesn't sound like you actually believe your own claims.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #130 on: February 10, 2015, 01:14:18 AM »
That means you're a window licker
if you didn't get it

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #131 on: February 10, 2015, 02:51:03 AM »
If you guys wished to have an honest discussion then you would have to stop assuming the worst. Everything you say is in the form of an accusation.
I have been on many forums since the internet became generally used and I have always cared more about honesty and character and attitude than technology or philosophy. At the first meeting in Hamburg we sat in a Tipi and I told everyone that they were more into Free Energy than I was. I explained that technology is not going to make the world a better place but changing the hearts does. It can help good people be better and bad people be worse. My goal isn't for people to be rich or have an easier life, but for them to be honest and good. It may not be the right place to talk about these things here. The method determines the outcome. Deviation from the scientific method results in bad outcomes. But a bad attitude is also a bad method at the most fundamental level and blinds a person from the truth and clouds judgment. Prejudice is the big sin we all can easily engage in. What do I care about everyone having an easy life if people can't even live at peace with each other or come to honest conclusions. So no I never care about the facts in a debate when there is no peace and honesty or respect. At that point it has become meaningless. Some people believe that free energy will change the world and make it all better and lovely. Says who? So I would like to help the world become a better place as best as I can. Apparently you guys think I am doing the wrong thing with my life. lol I'll say this that I am only doing what people asked for. But I agree that it is maybe as important as fire. But being good is more important than fire. Because if we are throwing fire at each other then we all just burn  :-\ There are many different ways we can reduce our burdens in life. I am in the process this year of writing a book which will try and help people out of their financial and health bondages. To me helping people be healthy is far more important than giving them a key to produce energy. Quality living and length of days are better than self-indulgent ones. I would like to promote earth shelter homes, hydrogen systems, and many technologies to help people in various ways. Promoting battery restoration and longevity is something I have done for 8 years now, but how much more important to do the same for people's bodies?? Or more importantly their souls?
I'm not a salesman. When I sell a car I end up telling people everything about it and then after an hour they decide against it because I was honest enough to say everything. I do the same with my products. I don't push them on anyone and have often said that they are not for everyone. I wrote an article the other week on the subject so that I don't have to repeat myself. I burst the bubble. Many people talk about doing alternative energy but have no idea of the lifestyle change and expense it is to change over. Even if you had a free source, if your batteries have to be replaced every so many years it doesn't pay for itself. Someone was mentioning this. Yes I estimate these things all day long and talk to people high and low all over the world about these things. While nature may give you many different ways to tap into virtually unlimited resources it still takes work to use it, etc. People largely don't want to put forth the effort to be independent and even have such freedom just as not that many people take their health that serious. It is a fast food day and only a small percentage of people think past the next month or year about their health, their car, their house, or their relationships.
I don't personally have the small magic black box that puts out kw of power. And I mean I don't know how to make one either. What I know is many different ways to tap into environmental resources. What I have done is similar to solar in cost, however requires 2 or 3 times the batteries perhaps. So is that practical? Is that going to be adopted rapidly by everyone? No. Creating free light is not very hard. But torque, charging, and heat with these methods can take a lot of batteries. So eventually those in the past that have been extremely skeptical stopped arguing about the possibility of these systems powering such loads but argued against them being practical enough to be commercially viable. There needed to be a reduction in battery size and cost and the output needed to be at least 3 times more than the input. No matter what was shown or demonstrated the expectations became greater and greater.
When your younger you have the zeal for debate and changing the world and you think you can easily persuade people of good things. But as you get older you see how stuck in their ways people are. So yes I tire of this old subject the older I get. I didn't mean to come on here and give the impression that I was going to get into some big debate with you guys. Throw your stones at me. Tell me I'm avoiding things by avoiding to pay attention that I said the output is not from the machine but from the batteries because the batteries are half the system. Skim over my posts and fail to read that and I'll skim over your posts and not bother to pay attention. Whatever guys. I'm not playing victim I'm just not interested. There are far too many people who are open and it is hard enough to keep up with them. I didn't come to underunity.com to try and prove something.

You claim to have a means to produce free energy, which if true would be as significant as the discovery of fire, and yet you say you are more concerned with attitude than proving your claim?  If your claim were true it would fundamentally transform life on the planet.  But you say you are worried about attitude?  That just doesn't sound like you actually believe your own claims.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #132 on: February 10, 2015, 02:52:16 AM »
OK, now we can add "morons, window lickers, and animals" to the continuing string of insults and name-calling that we reasonable skeptics are getting in return for our requests that claimants provide support for their claims in the form of actual data.

Who is being rude to whom? Keep it up, fellows, you are showing your true colors here for all to see.


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So no I never care about the facts in a debate when there is no peace and honesty or respect.

You appear to have cause and effect backwards. You get little respect when you constantly dodge requests for real data in support of your claims and when you insult, over and over again, those people who challenge you to provide that support. You do not care about the facts..... thank you for admitting that much, anyway.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #133 on: February 10, 2015, 03:23:11 AM »
If you guys wished to have an honest discussion then you would have to stop assuming the worst. Everything you say is in the form of an accusation.
No, I've asked you a series of  questions that would be benign to an honest claimant of free energy and you have thrown up a bunch of excuses as to why you do not answer those questions.  That's been your choice.
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I have been on many forums since the internet became generally used and I have always cared more about honesty and character and attitude than technology or philosophy.
If so then why do you play this bob and weave game of dodging.  If you have conviction in your claims one would expect you to want to prove them one way or another as soon as possible.  Instead you throw about excuses about "negativity".
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At the first meeting in Hamburg we sat in a Tipi and I told everyone that they were more into Free Energy than I was. I explained that technology is not going to make the world a better place but changing the hearts does.
That sounds like a Valentine's Day commercial for jewelry.
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It can help good people be better and bad people be worse. My goal isn't for people to be rich or have an easier life, but for them to be honest and good. It may not be the right place to talk about these things here. The method determines the outcome. Deviation from the scientific method results in bad outcomes. But a bad attitude is also a bad method at the most fundamental level and blinds a person from the truth and clouds judgment. Prejudice is the big sin we all can easily engage in.
The scientific method doesn't care about anyone's attitude.  So you get to decide:  Are you atually going to follow the scientific method, or are you going to just pay lip service to it?
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What do I care about everyone having an easy life if people can't even live at peace with each other or come to honest conclusions. So no I never care about the facts in a debate when there is no peace and honesty or respect.
Well if you don't care about facts then in matters of science you won't do very well.
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At that point it has become meaningless. Some people believe that free energy will change the world and make it all better and lovely. Says who? So I would like to help the world become a better place as best as I can. Apparently you guys think I am doing the wrong thing with my life. lol I'll say this that I am only doing what people asked for. But I agree that it is maybe as important as fire. But being good is more important than fire. Because if we are throwing fire at each other then we all just burn  :-\ There are many different ways we can reduce our burdens in life. I am in the process this year of writing a book which will try and help people out of their financial and health bondages. To me helping people be healthy is far more important than giving them a key to produce energy. Quality living and length of days are better than self-indulgent ones. I would like to promote earth shelter homes, hydrogen systems, and many technologies to help people in various ways.
If you want to pursue any of those things then do as you please.  Right now you are promoting conferences where you have said here you will be demonstrating working free energy machines.
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Promoting battery restoration and longevity is something I have done for 8 years now, but how much more important to do the same for people's bodies?? Or more importantly their souls?
Are you changing the theme of your meetings to a religious revival?
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I'm not a salesman. When I sell a car I end up telling people everything about it and then after an hour they decide against it because I was honest enough to say everything.
You say that you are not a salesman, but here you are promoting your conferences as a ... wait for it:  sales person.
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I do the same with my products. I don't push them on anyone and have often said that they are not for everyone. I wrote an article the other week on the subject so that I don't have to repeat myself. I burst the bubble. Many people talk about doing alternative energy but have no idea of the lifestyle change and expense it is to change over. Even if you had a free source, if your batteries have to be replaced every so many years it doesn't pay for itself. Someone was mentioning this. Yes I estimate these things all day long and talk to people high and low all over the world about these things. While nature may give you many different ways to tap into virtually unlimited resources it still takes work to use it, etc.
That is all distraction from your basic, changes the world as we know it claim that you have working free energy machines that you will show to people who pay your admission price.
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People largely don't want to put forth the effort to be independent and even have such freedom just as not that many people take their health that serious. It is a fast food day and only a small percentage of people think past the next month or year about their health, their car, their house, or their relationships.
I don't personally have the small magic black box that puts out kw of power. And I mean I don't know how to make one either. What I know is many different ways to tap into environmental resources. What I have done is similar to solar in cost, however requires 2 or 3 times the batteries perhaps. So is that practical?
Someone else might care about the practicality of your free energy machine claims.  I am only concerned as to whether or not there is strong evidence to support them.
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Is that going to be adopted rapidly by everyone? No. Creating free light is not very hard. But torque, charging, and heat with these methods can take a lot of batteries. So eventually those in the past that have been extremely skeptical stopped arguing about the possibility of these systems powering such loads but argued against them being practical enough to be commercially viable.
Maybe someone else did that.  I am completely unconcerned with practicality, and completely concerned with actuality.[qutoe] There needed to be a reduction in battery size and cost and the output needed to be at least 3 times more than the input. No matter what was shown or demonstrated the expectations became greater and greater. [/quote]Again, I don't know who you refer to.  Maybe if you could identify one or two we could seek their opinion as to whether or not they agree with your assertion that you demonstrated a working free energy machine to them.
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When your younger you have the zeal for debate and changing the world and you think you can easily persuade people of good things. But as you get older you see how stuck in their ways people are. So yes I tire of this old subject the older I get.
Assuming that you believe that you have the working free energy machines that you claim to have, wouldn't that give you a powerful motivation to prove you really have what you claim?
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I didn't mean to come on here and give the impression that I was going to get into some big debate with you guys.
There is little debate.  You've come here claiming that you are going to show people at your meetings working free energy devices.  It is quite an incredible claim.  When asked for details you have become very defensive.  If you want to be able to prove your claims one way or another the defining experiments can be conducted in a couple of hours right in front of your audience.
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Throw your stones at me. Tell me I'm avoiding things by avoiding to pay attention that I said the output is not from the machine but from the batteries because the batteries are half the system.
You are free to define the boundaries of your claimed wundermachine any way that you like.
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Skim over my posts and fail to read that and I'll skim over your posts and not bother to pay attention. Whatever guys. I'm not playing victim I'm just not interested. There are far too many people who are open and it is hard enough to keep up with them.
There are lots of people who do not think critically.  Is that your target audience?
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I didn't come to underunity.com to try and prove something.
I think it is self-evident that you came here to advertise your events.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #134 on: February 10, 2015, 03:29:35 AM »
Dude! I put the announcement in the news section of the site. I didn't put it in the debate section. Get a grip.

I think it is self-evident that you came here to advertise your events.