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rickfriedrich

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #75 on: February 09, 2015, 02:44:40 PM »
I'm sorry my friend or enemy, you are mistaken. I exposed him when other people believed in that. I was exposing several people like that at that time. Yes we did play around with magnet motors and I still have the rotor where the rotor almost or just about maintained rotation. While we knew it was a fake, nevertheless it was fun to explore some things in showing that.

I always said that those kinds of systems were not practical even if you could maintain rotation. We played around with the Howard Johnson train and track that I had access to for years. My friend spent much time attempting to calculate what energy it took to bring the train into position and how much force it pushed the train out of the magnetic tunnel. It really wasn't impressive considering all the cost of the magnets and the time it would take to glue them all together. I thought maybe we could make the train go around in a loop or something but it was doubtful that it could even maintain that rotation.
I was not really interested in pursuing that kind of system with regular magnets. Magnets needed to be made differently to make a purely magnet motor, otherwise at best you get just a curious self-rotating device that does no practical work.

No, you didn't expose Mylow, and it's perfectly clear in the video that you fully believe what you are doing. Show the video and let the viewers decide whether it was a "joke" or not.

I exposed Mylow, in over two dozen video demonstrations and a long thread on this forum, even to the point of Sterling Allan admitting that I was the first to "reproduce" Mylow's drive system. Yet he weaseled out of awarding me the prize he offered since my system wasn't "self running". The fact that Mylow's wasn't either, apparently didn't bother him.

Here's a "joke" Mylow video. I'm not afraid to show you mine..... so show us yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #76 on: February 09, 2015, 03:32:23 PM »
As for the amount of time I spend on talking about battery management it can be 1 to 2 hours. So no, I don't rush past that part, it is one of the most important things to get right. People bring their meters from all over the world to put on the batteries or in series with them. You can do whatever you want. I spend a lot of time going over the ways to improve the efficiency of the output just as I go over the ways to extend the life of your batteries. All you want to do is evaluate these things from one angle or one method. And that is fine for you. But if your meters show zero volts across a bulb and zero amps in series to that bulb will you stay around to notice the light on? In the same way a battery can show little or no amps in series with the output while running, and yet be able to be charged up faster and do a lot more work than what was shown by a meter to have gone into the battery. This is basic stuff here and was all people were doing on the old SG groups. And while more batteries, and larger batteries were added to the output the amount of power to be taken from these same charged batteries was proportionally more than if a smaller battery was charged instead (even when nothing else changed on the input). Thus something different was taking place than normal. And I go into details about how people get easily mistaken when voltages can rise fast with sulfated batteries. To do proper testing you need new batteries or rejuvenated batteries or you can get false estimations of efficiency. The real capacity of a battery needs to be determined to properly evaluate these things. From there I explain how to increase the efficiency of the output with the right method of charging and battery resting and rotation. It can take an hour to go over all these things. In the end we are not looking at the direct output into the battery while it is charging but the output of the batteries that have been charged into the real world. That is the real output, not the internal measurements before the charging is complete. This is where people make the mistake. Like I said, I don't care what you conclude on my boat measuring it while I'm on lake CDA driving around. At the end of the day I just rotate the batteries around and you scratch your head in wonder how it can be possible. Yes it doesn't make sense to you and without seeing it you assume the worst. I'm not sure if I can fault you for assuming it when there has indeed been so much ignorance and fraud in this "free energy" world. I'm grieved by that and am just doing what I can to promote what I know. I'm years beyond these basic arguments personally and I sometimes forget that people are still not even at first base in this. My meetings and time are not about trying to prove these basic first steps so I am sorry for the way this dialogue has progressed. I figured it is now common knowledge and that we were beyond all that. And I assumed that on Overunity most people would be beyond these things. Anyway, we do have a few parts of the meeting where people can see and measure for themselves to their own satisfaction. There you will be able to put your meter showing zero volts and amps. This is not my part. I can't explain that myself and stand just as amazed. So if meters can't show a measurable input then we have a system that is outside of that box we have been in for the last 150 years or so. The box is real and predictable and useful for charging people money for energy, but when the walls come down to Nature and people understand how to tap into it, then they can become a little freer indeed...

Rick:

I ain't living in no slave box.  I have given you my opinions and you should take them to heart.  From what I have seen, for years you have been "playing the electronics guy" like some character in a commercial.  You know, "I am not a doctor, but I play one on TV."  A person that has no knowledge about electronics can go to your conference, meet you, and think you are the real thing.  Meanwhile I could be standing next to the two of you listening to what you have to say and almost freaking out at the words that are actually coming out of your mouth.

How do you measure the power output into the charging battery only using the basic stuff that you typically have on any experimenter's bench?

I bet that you can't answer that question.  And that highlights the contrasts:  You have been pitching the "wonders of pulse motors" for seven or eight years and you don't even know how to measure the output power.  Chances are the only thing that you can do is tell your customers to measure the charging battery voltage from time to time.  And of course, that doesn't even answer the question.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #77 on: February 09, 2015, 04:15:54 PM »
Gentlemen
It sounds like we need to muster an investigation  crew for this show,or at the very least
validate this very important Claim !


respectfully
Chet


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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #78 on: February 09, 2015, 04:19:49 PM »
Rich, claiming that what meters show or don't is proof, is false.
You would need at least a 'scope to see what is happening and preferable more equipment.
And the batteries will have to go through longer term tests to discover what effect there is.
Do you have any results that you can share?

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #79 on: February 09, 2015, 04:45:52 PM »
Rick:

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But if your meters show zero volts across a bulb and zero amps in series to that bulb will you stay around to notice the light on?

For this example you are citing, did you connect an oscilloscope across the bulb and across a current sensing resistor?

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In the same way a battery can show little or no amps in series with the output while running, and yet be able to be charged up faster and do a lot more work than what was shown by a meter to have gone into the battery.

Your sentence is ambiguous.  If you are making a point about something that you allege is out of the ordinary, back it up with a full description and data.  What's very tiring is the "vague claim" business.

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And while more batteries, and larger batteries were added to the output the amount of power to be taken from these same charged batteries was proportionally more than if a smaller battery was charged instead (even when nothing else changed on the input). Thus something different was taking place than normal.

Same comments as above.  You have been playing with pulse motors, batteries, and energy for six or seven years.  I don't believe that you can't articulate a claim that "something different was taking place than normal" without having what you are stating not make logical sense with a complete, clear description of what you are talking about.  Plus I expect you to back it up with data.

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That is the real output, not the internal measurements before the charging is complete. This is where people make the mistake.

Here is where you are making a mistake.  If you pulse charge a battery and measure that input energy, then the energy that you can extract from the battery will be less.  This assumes multiple test cycles to show solid, verifiable data.

The problem is that you have never measured the energy going into the charging battery in the first place.  So when you do load tests to measure the output energy you don't know for yourself when you talk about the "real output" because you don't even know the input.

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At the end of the day I just rotate the batteries around and you scratch your head in wonder how it can be possible. Yes it doesn't make sense to you and without seeing it you assume the worst.

It makes perfect sense to me that when you run your boat motor that some recharging takes place.  Why should I wonder when I have been talking about measuring the recharging power?  Burn that straw man.  Do you have to be "pressed to the wall" to concede that you can't swap boat batteries indefinitely?  You are just doing the 10-coiler-powering-a-house lie again.  Yes I am talking tough because for the second time you are talking about your electric boat without giving any details or data and I already pressed you on that.

In the middle of the night, you sneak into the marina with an extension cord and do your dirty work.

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So if meters can't show a measurable input then we have a system that is outside of that box we have been in for the last 150 years or so.

I can imagine a hypothetical scenario.  You play the "Big Dummy."   You are powering a bulb with very very short high-voltage medium-current pulses and you connect a analog voltmeter across the bulb and it shows zero volts.  You put the same meter in series and it shows no amps.

Ha! Ha! The Big Dummy connected an analog meter up to a train of very very narrow voltage and current pulses and the meter showed nothing but the light bulb lit up.  The Big Dummy is a carnival barker for sure.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #80 on: February 09, 2015, 04:50:31 PM »
wow just f-ing wow and you trolls wonder why inventors aren't forthcoming with details about their devices.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #81 on: February 09, 2015, 05:11:20 PM »
Of course an oscilloscope of anyone's choosing. 400 MHz is fine. If the voltage was stepped up then you would see it on the scope. And indeed what the oscope shows is very interesting indeed, something you have never seen my friend. So if some manipulation of meters was involved then how do you explain 1W of power only coming from the primary battery that drives the motor that also charges another battery and runs many LEDs, some of which are 100W each??? I know, an extension cord that we connect from CDA Idaho marina all the way over to Hamburg through the ocean lol.  ::)
You are just so full of assumptions. The problem with your assumptions is that we are aware of all these things you mention and you are always mistaken as to what is going on Mr. Troll. You just assume fraud so what is the point answering anything you say.  Anything said you just call me an idiot. Take a hike mileHigh! Go use your extension cords...

Rick:

For this example you are citing, did you connect an oscilloscope across the bulb and across a current sensing resistor?

Your sentence is ambiguous.  If you are making a point about something that you allege is out of the ordinary, back it up with a full description and data.  What's very tiring is the "vague claim" business.

Same comments as above.  You have been playing with pulse motors, batteries, and energy for six or seven years.  I don't believe that you can't articulate a claim that "something different was taking place than normal" without having what you are stating not make logical sense with a complete, clear description of what you are talking about.  Plus I expect you to back it up with data.

Here is where you are making a mistake.  If you pulse charge a battery and measure that input energy, then the energy that you can extract from the battery will be less.  This assumes multiple test cycles to show solid, verifiable data.

The problem is that you have never measured the energy going into the charging battery in the first place.  So when you do load tests to measure the output energy you don't know for yourself when you talk about the "real output" because you don't even know the input.

It makes perfect sense to me that when you run your boat motor that some recharging takes place.  Why should I wonder when I have been talking about measuring the recharging power?  Burn that straw man.  Do you have to be "pressed to the wall" to concede that you can't swap boat batteries indefinitely?  You are just doing the 10-coiler-powering-a-house lie again.  Yes I am talking tough because for the second time you are talking about your electric boat without giving any details or data and I already pressed you on that.

In the middle of the night, you sneak into the marina with an extension cord and do your dirty work.

I can imagine a hypothetical scenario.  You play the "Big Dummy."   You are powering a bulb with very very short high-voltage medium-current pulses and you connect a analog voltmeter across the bulb and it shows zero volts.  You put the same meter in series and it shows no amps.

Ha! Ha! The Big Dummy connected an analog meter up to a train of very very narrow voltage and current pulses and the meter showed nothing but the light bulb lit up.  The Big Dummy is a carnival barker for sure.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #82 on: February 09, 2015, 05:12:47 PM »
Jon:

I don't like "free energy theatre," and you see it all the time.  The classic one is lighting up a light bulb after you put it into a bowl of water.  Some people even claim that is a demonstration of "radiant energy."

I did also make some technical points, feel free to respond to them if you want to.  I am not trolling, I am making points.

Thee is nothing wrong with holding a seminar, it's a free country.  Calling it a "free energy conference" when no free energy devices will be demonstrated is false advertising.  But talking to people about alternative energy strategies and how to manage batteries is certainly a good thing.  One thing you need to do is show the return on investment calculation.

Suppose you decide you want to have LED lighting in the bedroom and living room using batteries and a solar charger.  If the return on investment is five years, it sounds pretty good to me.  If the return on investment is 50 years not so good.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #83 on: February 09, 2015, 05:17:09 PM »
Rick:

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Of course an oscilloscope of anyone's choosing. 400 MHz is fine. If the voltage was stepped up then you would see it on the scope. And indeed what the oscope shows is very interesting indeed, something you have never seen my friend. So if some manipulation of meters was involved then how do you explain 1W of power only coming from the primary battery that drives the motor that also charges another battery and runs many LEDs, some of which are 100W each???

You make a claim here.  Can you show the circuit and the measurements?

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #84 on: February 09, 2015, 05:18:32 PM »
Milehigh, i think you were told to take a hike. ;)


ignorance is bliss lol

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #85 on: February 09, 2015, 05:25:11 PM »
 
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If the voltage was stepped up then you would see it on the scope. And indeed what the oscope shows is very interesting indeed, something you have never seen my friend.

It is very easy to attach images to your posts on this forum. So let's see some of these "never seen" scopeshots of the 0 volt, 0 amp light bulb lighting up.

As they say.... "Screenshot or it didn't happen".


Or are they secret, available only to those who buy the books, pay the admission price to the conference, purchase a kit?  (cue cash-register sound)

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #86 on: February 09, 2015, 05:25:22 PM »
Milehigh, i think you were told to take a hike. ;)


ignorance is bliss lol

Did George Orwell say that?

But you make an important point.  If you go to a conference to learn, then asking questions is part of the process.  It not hard to envision though that certain questions would be frowned upon, like asking for a frank and open discussion about energy out vs. energy in measurements for batteries.  It doesn't even matter what way you are charging them.

Case in point:  What was that 2010 bloody "Windmill motor" actually supposed t do?  What did it DO?  I read a fair amount around that time and watched the clips and never saw any statement about what it was actually supposed to do.  That's a case where ignorance is not bliss.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #87 on: February 09, 2015, 05:26:44 PM »
Jon,
I think they can be Trolls but some people are people that have been burned by scammers. I have exposed some of these people where I could. Others are professors that take pride in their degrees and are insulted by something that shows they may be mistaken their whole life. I have seen this happen many times. Just think about a guy who has paid for his schooling and then taught the same old "science" for years and all the students looked to him for years as having the answers--answers that work within a simple framework--and then someone comes along and says people are actually flying in airplanes. He has to deny it or else his whole life's work was for nothing... Still others are just having fun mocking people. But I have I come to see yet another category of people that secretly do believe these things and act like they do not because they are just fishing for more free information by pressing people with insults. It has a tendency to make people to say more and more detail. These are another type of trolls, which I think most of them are. They are searching to improve their knowledge to improve their products and are not afraid to insult people in the process. Why else would they be so involved on these forms spending so much time? Their character shows they really don't care about others so they are not here to help others but are here to get something for sure. Unless, like I said, they were burned and now have an agenda to attack anyone that they feel looks or sounds the same.

wow just f-ing wow and you trolls wonder why inventors aren't forthcoming with details about their devices.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #88 on: February 09, 2015, 05:36:10 PM »
Rich,
i agree 100%, its like a slap in their face to see that they spent all that time and money but yet someone in their workshop with no formal education can pick up a physics book and run circles around them then apply the remedial knowledge to build something that can brake all that Education, that did not teach them.

but after experiencing the trolls for myself i've now decided to use my youth skills and troll back...... trust me the millennials are good at it

all the best
jon

p.s. check your pm box

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #89 on: February 09, 2015, 05:43:18 PM »
Jon,
I think they can be Trolls but some people are people that have been burned by scammers. I have exposed some of these people where I could. Others are professors that take pride in their degrees and are insulted by something that shows they may be mistaken their whole life. I have seen this happen many times. Just think about a guy who has paid for his schooling and then taught the same old "science" for years and all the students looked to him for years as having the answers--answers that work within a simple framework--and then someone comes along and says people are actually flying in airplanes. He has to deny it or else his whole life's work was for nothing... Still others are just having fun mocking people. But I have I come to see yet another category of people that secretly do believe these things and act like they do not because they are just fishing for more free information by pressing people with insults. It has a tendency to make people to say more and more detail. These are another type of trolls, which I think most of them are. They are searching to improve their knowledge to improve their products and are not afraid to insult people in the process. Why else would they be so involved on these forms spending so much time? Their character shows they really don't care about others so they are not here to help others but are here to get something for sure. Unless, like I said, they were burned and now have an agenda to attack anyone that they feel looks or sounds the same.

The scientists were sure of the inevitability of powered flight but it was the non-science-educated newspaper editors of the very early 20th century that did not have the vision thing for flight.  Your argument is an old cliche that is not true.  The context of that claim is the public debate in the daily newspapers of the day.

You are just hiding behind the term "troll" as feigned escape from discussing your stuff in a serious manner.  Look, I have seen dozens of clips that you characterize as "stuff they don't understand" and as "new out-of-the-box progressive thinking" that are in fact rudimentary electronics demonstrations.

Seriously Rick, there are people here and on OUR that have great knowledge and possess excellent bench skills.  Literally every single one of your "amazing - they don't understand" claims could be sliced and diced though with ease.  They are all explainable.  Chances are that would be a rude awakening for you yourself.

Probably the most tiring theme you are pushing is this notion that you are on the cutting edge and all those scientists and engineers are stuck in the past.  That is complete and total BS.  You are clearly the babe in the woods, the one that doesn't know how to make some basic bench measurements.  Sorry, just gotta keep it real.

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