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memoryman

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #60 on: February 06, 2015, 11:29:33 PM »
If you have faith, you don't need no stinking proof...
Watch 0:55 in, our esteemed former Premier Jean Chretien speaking...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLpp1urOeoM

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Farmhand

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #62 on: February 07, 2015, 12:10:55 AM »
http://www.strohmedia.de/product_info.php?products_id=738778     :'( 


*facepalm*

4,700.00 Euro's.  ;) sounds good, I think I should start selling the solar panels off my roof so I can buy one, or maybe I
should get a 10 pole pulse motor rather than 3 or 4 wind powered generators. Hmmm let me think. Naahh I think I'll
stick with a plan to get what actually works to gather energy from the environment, demonstrable, reliable, and relatively cheap
for what they do, solar wind and hydro works and can be applied by an individual with basic skills and safety knowledge.

..

I'm planning to fit one or two 10 Watt solar panels to my cars rear shelf (behind the headrests) so that the battery doesn't
get drained down by the security system, this will allow me to leave the car sit for a month or so without disconnecting
the battery and will prevent the battery from becoming sulfated, it will also save fuel as the alternator won't need to
recharge the battery of all the charge lost due to the security system and so forth. After about a week sitting the car
battery becomes drained of some charge and when I start the car the alternator has to replace all that charge at present.
With a solar panel fitted only the charge drained from the battery due to starting the engine will need to be replaced
by the burning of fuel. All cars should have a small solar panel factory fitted these days to prevent battery drain when
the vehicle is not used. Also will allow the use of phone chargers and so forth for days on end without needing to start
the car engine or apply an external charger. save save save, win win win. yay yay yay.

All this pulse motor fantasy and claims of getting something for free by desulfating a battery is getting rather old and lame.

rickfriedrich

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2015, 05:34:49 AM »
You guys are the joke. You all are getting old really fast. Just a bunch of talkers.

MarkE

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2015, 06:51:45 AM »
You guys are the joke. You all are getting old really fast. Just a bunch of talkers.
What specifically does $4700. buy me?  If I give you $4700. will you deliver a working free energy machine?

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2015, 11:07:32 AM »
Rick:

I ain't living in no slave box.  I have given you my opinions and you should take them to heart.  From what I have seen, for years you have been "playing the electronics guy" like some character in a commercial.  You know, "I am not a doctor, but I play one on TV."  A person that has no knowledge about electronics can go to your conference, meet you, and think you are the real thing.  Meanwhile I could be standing next to the two of you listening to what you have to say and almost freaking out at the words that are actually coming out of your mouth.

How do you measure the power output into the charging battery only using the basic stuff that you typically have on any experimenter's bench?

I bet that you can't answer that question.  And that highlights the contrasts:  You have been pitching the "wonders of pulse motors" for seven or eight years and you don't even know how to measure the output power.  Chances are the only thing that you can do is tell your customers to measure the charging battery voltage from time to time.  And of course, that doesn't even answer the question.

MileHigh

Ask Rick to post the current SG load test procedure and run through exactly how the measurements should be taken and with what instruments. It will become apparent to anyone with a good electrical engineering background that the procedure is flawed and does not prove that there is 'more out than in'. The charging batteries are simply desufating on each charge / discharge cycle, giving the impression of a gain.

TinselKoala

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #66 on: February 07, 2015, 11:23:45 AM »
http://www.strohmedia.de/product_info.php?products_id=738778     :'( 


*facepalm*

Well it certainly has everything a good electromechanical "Free Energy" machine needs, doesn't it?

-Wires strewn haphazardly across the bench--check.
-lots of colored clipleads--check.
-several DMMs connected every whichaway--check.
-a few BHBs (big honking batteries)-- check.
-big heavy flywheel rotational energy storage--check.
-big banks of expensive mystery stuff that need cooling fans--check.
-not a C-H 2335A Power Analyzer anywhere nearby--check.
-laboratory lighting, HVAC, etc. powered by ordinary mains power--check.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1UpX0-Q00

TinselKoala

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2015, 11:27:09 AM »
You guys are the joke. You all are getting old really fast. Just a bunch of talkers.

I sure wish I could find the video of you and John standing over your replication of a Magic Magnet Motor, Mylow's IIRC, where you are spinning it up by hand and shouting "It Works!"
Have you got a copy we could look at?

rickfriedrich

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2015, 05:36:13 PM »
See how distorted you are, I exposed Milo. That was a joke video.

TinselKoala

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2015, 06:16:23 PM »
See how distorted you are, I exposed Milo. That was a joke video.

No, you didn't expose Mylow, and it's perfectly clear in the video that you fully believe what you are doing. Show the video and let the viewers decide whether it was a "joke" or not.

I exposed Mylow, in over two dozen video demonstrations and a long thread on this forum, even to the point of Sterling Allan admitting that I was the first to "reproduce" Mylow's drive system. Yet he weaseled out of awarding me the prize he offered since my system wasn't "self running". The fact that Mylow's wasn't either, apparently didn't bother him.

Here's a "joke" Mylow video. I'm not afraid to show you mine..... so show us yours.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpTXdWAd1M

memoryman

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2015, 08:02:53 PM »
Friedrich, as MH and TK have said, it is not hard or expensive to show conclusive proof of OU, yet it is never done.
Rather than general talk, please be specific.
ARE ANY OF THE DEVICES THAT YOU PROMOTE OU N THE NORMALLY ACCEPTED SENSE?

MileHigh

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #71 on: February 07, 2015, 10:47:37 PM »
Rick might be gone for good if he feels responding here is a net loss in terms of his overall self interest.

He makes a wishy-washy claim of over unity on one of his YouTube clips so I thought a look at it would be interesting.

4 DualPole producing maybe 3 times output mosfet driven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPYQVOQCKVo

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I converted an older 4 Dualpole motor from a year ago to run off of a smaller mosfet and be triggered by either the reed switch or a hall switch. I took a hall switch off one of the dc fans and used it. It was difficult because it was a latching type which requires the opposite pole to turn it off. So the on time of the motor was considerably longer than normal which created a much more inefficient system than the reed switch offered with the same mosfet. This was as expected. However, turning the rotor in the opposite direction and carefully positioning the latching
hall sensor switch on its side close to the generator coil allowed for a really good performance. The rpms and torque was desirable and would appear to be at least 6W worth of power (which was all that we were supplying--less than half an ampere at 12V. This 6W is based upon a later run of the motor when I repositioned the hall where it dramatically increased the RPM and reduced the amp draw.) The charging rate was fast as well. The battery was charging up to 17V while the primary was holding 12.7 around. At the same time three groups of LEDs were powered from the generator coils, which were a reduction of the motor load when the hall switch was ideally positioned. These bulbs were rated for over 6W total and yet were at near full brightness. One generator coil powered a blue LED strip and a 2.8W LED cluster while the other three coils powered a 5.7W LED bulb that is equivalent to a 35V incandescent bulb in light. So altogether the amount of light could be considered somewhere close to the 6W input from the primary bank. Three different outputs, the charging battery, the motor torque, and the LEDs amount for a combined output clearly over that of the input, if not three times.
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It gives you a sense of how substantive the claims of demonstrating over unity devices at the upcoming conferences are likely to be.  Notice that no output measurements are performed, what you get instead are whimsical-at-best anecdotal statements.

The three outputs:

1.  The charging battery - I have never seen anyone in the extended JB realm ever make an attempt to measure the power output from the pulse motor into the charging battery.  As Hoppy mentioned, the usual methodology based around measuring battery voltages is critically flawed.

2.  The motor torque - I think that we all would agree that "the motor torque," interpreted in the form of waste heat power warming up the air and the bearings is not considered to be useful output power.  In the strictest sense the "motor torque" is zero.

3.  The LEDs - The "eyeball power meter" is like a very drunk sailor in a storm.  It simply does not work, and then you need a DSO with built-in math or waveform export to do the measurement.  Rick did not do this.

So, pretty much a lame claim for sure.

MileHigh

P.S.:  At first I thought the LEDs were powered by the back-EMF spikes from the motor coils.  Rick says that they are powered by generator coils.  So in theory there is a torque load on the rotor.  However, we are already accounting for it when we the discuss the LED power.  You can't double-count by stating that there is a torque output (unmeasured) and LED outputs (unmeasured) because they are one in the same.

Farmhand

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2015, 12:11:01 AM »
If the battery is reading 17 volts and it's a 12 volt lead acid battery then it is fairly well sulfated for sure. That means to get
the 17 volts reading takes bugger all power = fail 101.

I'd like to see Rick make a video of a brand new low resistance battery being held at 17 volts by his pulse motor, that would
be interesting. Test the battery with a CCA load tester to show it's good then take it to 17 volts. Bring it on. Wooohooo

People are more aware now Rick or they should be, or would be if it wasn't for the P.T. Barnum effect.

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MarkE

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2015, 01:52:02 AM »
Rick might be gone for good if he feels responding here is a net loss in terms of his overall self interest.

He makes a wishy-washy claim of over unity on one of his YouTube clips so I thought a look at it would be interesting.

4 DualPole producing maybe 3 times output mosfet driven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPYQVOQCKVo

<<<
I converted an older 4 Dualpole motor from a year ago to run off of a smaller mosfet and be triggered by either the reed switch or a hall switch. I took a hall switch off one of the dc fans and used it. It was difficult because it was a latching type which requires the opposite pole to turn it off. So the on time of the motor was considerably longer than normal which created a much more inefficient system than the reed switch offered with the same mosfet. This was as expected. However, turning the rotor in the opposite direction and carefully positioning the latching
hall sensor switch on its side close to the generator coil allowed for a really good performance. The rpms and torque was desirable and would appear to be at least 6W worth of power (which was all that we were supplying--less than half an ampere at 12V. This 6W is based upon a later run of the motor when I repositioned the hall where it dramatically increased the RPM and reduced the amp draw.) The charging rate was fast as well. The battery was charging up to 17V while the primary was holding 12.7 around. At the same time three groups of LEDs were powered from the generator coils, which were a reduction of the motor load when the hall switch was ideally positioned. These bulbs were rated for over 6W total and yet were at near full brightness. One generator coil powered a blue LED strip and a 2.8W LED cluster while the other three coils powered a 5.7W LED bulb that is equivalent to a 35V incandescent bulb in light. So altogether the amount of light could be considered somewhere close to the 6W input from the primary bank. Three different outputs, the charging battery, the motor torque, and the LEDs amount for a combined output clearly over that of the input, if not three times.
>>>

It gives you a sense of how substantive the claims of demonstrating over unity devices at the upcoming conferences are likely to be.  Notice that no output measurements are performed, what you get instead are whimsical-at-best anecdotal statements.

The three outputs:

1.  The charging battery - I have never seen anyone in the extended JB realm ever make an attempt to measure the power output from the pulse motor into the charging battery.  As Hoppy mentioned, the usual methodology based around measuring battery voltages is critically flawed.

2.  The motor torque - I think that we all would agree that "the motor torque," interpreted in the form of waste heat power warming up the air and the bearings is not considered to be useful output power.  In the strictest sense the "motor torque" is zero.

3.  The LEDs - The "eyeball power meter" is like a very drunk sailor in a storm.  It simply does not work, and then you need a DSO with built-in math or waveform export to do the measurement.  Rick did not do this.

So, pretty much a lame claim for sure.

MileHigh

P.S.:  At first I thought the LEDs were powered by the back-EMF spikes from the motor coils.  Rick says that they are powered by generator coils.  So in theory there is a torque load on the rotor.  However, we are already accounting for it when we the discuss the LED power.  You can't double-count by stating that there is a torque output (unmeasured) and LED outputs (unmeasured) because they are one in the same.
Wouldn't it be a hoot if one person showed up with appropriate kit that fit into their pockets, and another person caught what happens on video when that person offers to measure the "free energy" machine input and outputs properly?  What would happen then?  Would the machines live up to RF's claims and wow the world?  Would they perform underunity just as they always have?  Or would RF object to the idea of proper measurements?  In any case it might be something interesting to catch on video.

TinselKoala

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #74 on: February 08, 2015, 10:20:51 AM »
Free energy machines are very shy and delicate. They have been known to break down and be unrepairable for weeks at a time, just when someone even mentions the phrase "Broadband power analyzer" .

Some of them are even so shy that they stop working just when certain _people_ get off an airplane in the same city! Sterling Allan is one of those people and has shut down half-a-dozen Free Energy machines just by the force of his presence in town. And he's a believer! The "Little Effect" is legendary. All Scott Little has to do is to propose an experiment in an email... and the machine stops working.