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rickfriedrich

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2015, 04:54:45 PM »
You know it all my friend. That is self-evident. That's why you're here to teach us the way...
I know the whole shtick Rick.  Anybody that knows their stuff reasonably well can see through the whole thing.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2015, 04:59:08 PM »
You know it all my friend. That is self-evident. That's why you're here to teach us the way...

I don't know it all but I know enough.  You don't even teach people how their pulse motors really work when people pay $200 for a seat.  It least it was like that at all of the Bedini conferences.  What a joke.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2015, 04:59:49 PM »
No that is not correct. bla bla bla MileHigh So what is this site a place of trolls?

Please remind me since when asking right questions became trolling ?  ;)

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2015, 05:08:25 PM »
What questions? I see bad attitudes. I don't know what some people expect in cyberland. Yes there are trolls everywhere and/or people putting down anything they don't understand. We are having some fun meetings and sharing what we know. To say it looks not impressive and advertising is rude. To say it is all the same old thing is also rude. To make negative assumptions is rude. Sometimes rudeness is because someone is just rude as a person and other times it is the work of a troll set out to downplay things. Even if someone assumes it is older stuff, and no doubt some of our stuff is older, doesn't mean that it is not important and useful. This forum covers a lot of different things and should be welcome to such postings. But rudeness is not welcome.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2015, 05:19:05 PM »
What questions? I see bad attitudes. I don't know what some people expect in cyberland. Yes there are trolls everywhere and/or people putting down anything they don't understand. We are having some fun meetings and sharing what we know. To say it looks not impressive and advertising is rude. To say it is all the same old thing is also rude. To make negative assumptions is rude. Sometimes rudeness is because someone is just rude as a person and other times it is the work of a troll set out to downplay things. Even if someone assumes it is older stuff, and no doubt some of our stuff is older, doesn't mean that it is not important and useful. This forum covers a lot of different things and should be welcome to such postings. But rudeness is not welcome.

I am sorry, I didn't mean being rude... 

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2015, 05:21:39 PM »
Rick, there is a lot of bad baggage related to the whole JB universe.  You are a spin-off from that universe.  Like the animation done in 2010 for your Idaho conference showing a 10-coiler configuration swapping back and forth between battery banks with the alleged excess energy being used to drive a big inverter to power a house.  That's complete nonsense, a lie.

You talk about "learning amazing stuff."  Someone that is determined could spend a few days watching the right YouTube clips, and they would learn way more about pulse motors as compared to going to one of your conferences.

You are here to sell, and if you are on Amazon there are unrestricted comments by people on all the products they have for sale.  You want to buy a few 4 TB external hard drives and there are 20 models available?  You read the comments to get feedback from real people, and there is always a mix of experience and knowledge to be found there.

So I am just giving you my short evaluation of the types of conferences that you are selling, just like the comments on Amazon or even IMDB.

Anybody that wants to experiment with a pulse motor is fine by me and I encourage them to.  I would also encourage them to build their own.  Ultimately a pulse motor is pretty useless after you have played with it.  There are no "amazing things" about it.  And that's where some feedback from people like me is useful for the whole community.  There are too many superlatives in your sales pitch for your conference, and the truth is that you are "selling" ordinary vanilla electronic circuits and portraying them as something they are not.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2015, 05:33:02 PM »
Well thank you. Your other comment was good so I was perplexed. But I was mostly referring to someone else.
I wouldn't be in this work if I wasn't helping people as they request. I want everyone to know this. I spent 3 years in this work volunteering my time and energy for this community without making any money to cover my time. I only started Renaissance because people demanded that we give them something. I created my own products as people asked for them and not because I was pushing some products on people. I turn more people away from buying things than I do encouraging people to buy them. In 8 years we have only offered what people ask for, including meetings. The meetings also give people a chance to connect with each other and this can be the most important aspect about them. Usually some very interesting people come and participate and end up revealing important things. But we also do a workshop and some people just want to come and have someone help them to assemble an interesting kit. That is all fine and we are there for them as well. We are doing what we can. We do not have everything for everyone. So if it is old to some genius guy then fine. Show us a better way. But the insults are old. We dealt long ago with such childishness on the forums. I think the world is much further along than that kind of talk now.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2015, 05:41:14 PM »
You want to do something really radical at your conference for the pulse motor build?  Challenge your builders to measure the power in and power out into the charging battery.  Let them all calculate the efficiency of their pulse motors.  Give them an hour to do that.  The assumption is that very few of them will be able to do it.  Then you teach them how to properly measure the power-out vs. power in.  Show them how to do the most basic, most obvious measurement metric for their pulse motors.

How come something as basic as that is never discussed at your conferences?  Don't you think people would want to know what the charging power and charging efficiency of their pulse motor is?

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2015, 05:46:09 PM »
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teach them how to properly measure the power-out vs. power in.

that is too radical  ;D

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2015, 05:51:08 PM »
No, you speak from ignorance. That doesn't mean that I am not listening to you. I don't have anything to do with JB for a few years now. I got burned there and it is too complicated to get into. But you don't know what happened and you are not correct in your assumptions of me.
As for what Bits did with the 10 coiler in that meeting that was his own thing that he claimed and has to live with. I found out later the next day that very thing that the swapper was not what I had asked for and that the batteries were half drained. The 10 coiler was not running in the sweetspot and was only drawing 2A total which was not what it was made to run. These associations did cost me a lot of time and money. So I acknowledge this problems in the past. But a few bad experiences does not mean the rest of everything is that way. And yes, a pulse motor by itself is nothing of an improvement over constant current. But our circuits are not merely that. And in fact I did drive my 26" boat on just two battery banks that I swapped around for two years using our motor and circuits. I compared it to a regular forklift motor. I spent a lot of time in all that to really see the comparison. I gave rides at the second convention and showed it all. At the first one that same motor ran on 10A 36V my rider lawnmower which I drove in on. That was no joke either. I have used these systems for years. Yes Michael and I have agreed that these are older systems of Robert Adams and even others before him, but we are showing now that they are not merely what you all assume they are. There is a lot more that you can do with them than charge big battery banks and get more out than you put in through the batteries... Someone like you is close minded because of problems you see with some personalities that have come and gone. Maybe that is legitimate as you have been burned or something. I don't know. I don't sell products on Amazon and so I don't know what you are talking about. As for what people can learn on Youtube I'm all for it. We have done that also. No one is telling you you have to go to the meetings. But you are not welcome to bark at me for making them available to those who have asked for them. There are things at the meetings that are not shown on Youtube so you are mistaken. And there are several purposes to the meetings you have not realized. Your comments are therefore obviously intended to divert people rather than be helpful.

Rick, there is a lot of bad baggage related to the whole JB universe.  You are a spin-off from that universe.  Like the animation done in 2010 for your Idaho conference showing a 10-coiler configuration swapping back and forth between battery banks with the alleged excess energy being used to drive a big inverter to power a house.  That's complete nonsense, a lie.

You talk about "learning amazing stuff."  Someone that is determined could spend a few days watching the right YouTube clips, and they would learn way more about pulse motors as compared to going to one of your conferences.

You are here to sell, and if you on Amazon there are unrestricted comments by people on all the products they have for sale.  You want to buy a few 4 TB external hard drives and there are 20 models available?  You read the comments to get feedback from real people, and there is always a mix of experience and knowledge to be found there.

So I am just giving you my short evaluation of the types of conferences that you are selling, just like the comments on Amazon or even IMDB.

Anybody that wants to experiment with a pulse motor is fine and I encourage them to.  I would also encourage them to build their own.  Ultimately a pulse motor is pretty useless after you have played with it.  There are no "amazing things" about it.  And that's where some feedback from people like me is useful for the whole community.  There are too many superlatives in your sales pitch for your conference, and the truth is that you are "selling" ordinary vanilla electronic circuits and portraying them as something they are not.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2015, 06:04:22 PM »
This is all fine and acceptable. And that is also old my friend. We do many things like this. But we are into showing more than batteries now. We charge several battery banks but also run lights and power other loads and create heat, etc.
However, we are not so much into trying to prove something to people in five minutes or one hour, but rather in trying to help people understand how these things work so that they can do it themselves. I have been helping people for years. Two of my customers have built their own versions of these motors and have put them in boats and gone around the world with them. All based upon the information we have given them. You want a certain kind of thing in a certain kind of way, and that is fair for you and your tastes. But don't put everyone in the same shoes and assume you know what everyone wants. Go you own way my friend and live your own life. We will run our meetings the way we decide, and again based on what people have asked for not what some skeptics demand. You cannot help some people even if you show them what they ask as they will just turn around and say it is a trick or give some explanation as to why it did what they asked you to make it do. lol So we could have meetings that we just wow everyone, and yes that is a small part of the meeting, but people are mostly beyond that and want to know the practical matters and that is what I try and do. And now Michael helps with moving it much further and helps with the how and whys. But you have not even started at first base so the hows and whys are not important when you do not believe in any of this.

You want to do something really radical at your conference for the pulse motor build?  Challenge your builders to measure the power in and power out into the charging battery.  Let them all calculate the efficiency of their pulse motors.  Give them an hour to do that.  The assumption is that very few of them will be able to do it.  Then you teach them how to properly measure the power-out vs. power in.  Show them how to do the most basic, most obvious measurement metric for their pulse motors.

How come something as basic as that is never discussed at your conferences?  Don't you think people would want to know what the charging power and charging efficiency of their pulse motor is?

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2015, 06:10:04 PM »
Rick, I can state this with a very high degree of confidence:  Any circuit or system or alleged "special technology" that you would present at your conference could be analysed here and shown to be nothing remarkable.

That's what learning about electronics is all about.  Understanding the behaviour of circuits.   You guys avoid those things and instead play a smoke and mirrors game.  I am assuming there are times when you are not even aware of that yourself.

As far as your pulse-motor boat, and pulse-motor lawn mower goes, big deal.  That borders on the edge of motor quackery.  A real electric-powered boat or lawn mower would outperform your pulse motor versions.  The pulse motors you use have almost no torque, and heaven forbid you actually try to measure RPM vs. torque vs, input power, etc, like is done for any other electric motor.  If you actually generated proper motor performance curves like you should, how crappy a pulse motor is for powering a vehicle is would be quickly revealed.  The boat and the lawn mower are just props.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2015, 06:13:11 PM »
That is a very important subject but it is not so easy to do. If we are dealing with conventional systems then it is very easy. But we are not dealing with the same thing. Some of what we show reveals how we are dealing with something entirely different. If you have my mini motor running on only 1W as shown in this latest video, and yet it is charging a battery at least a little, but all the neon lights are fully glowing and 10 or 20 or 100 bulbs are also running at full or half or partial brightness (whichever we want) but some of those bulbs have zero voltage and zero amperage then it takes a little time for us to explain in and out would you think? Yes too radical my friends. Maybe even your jaw would drop as we had some in Germany do.
You see the thing is, depending on which type of energy we are producing the meters will show different things. Some outputs will be affected by meters  put on during the charging. So running loads off the batteries and calculating that way is a method to accomplish the same thing. But it takes time to charge and discharge batteries and yes many people do in fact trick people by pushing up voltages in pulse motors etc. So that is why I take the time to explain all that so people can be corrected an learn the right way to evaluate things. So if you want your show with sensational results we have that now as well. But we offer more than this.

that is too radical  ;D

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2015, 06:17:52 PM »
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This is all fine and acceptable. And that is also old my friend. We do many things like this. But we are into showing more than batteries now. We charge several battery banks but also run lights and power other loads and create heat, etc.

In seven years of reading stuff related to you and JB, never once have I seen a reference to, or a discussion about, measuring power-out vs. power-in for a pulse motor.  And I am pretty sure that you wont do it at your conferences.

The math is pretty simple.  A typical pulse motor might be 30% efficient in taking the input power and turning it into inductive spike charging power.  That sucks.  That means you can go to a big-box store and by a commercial smart pulsing battery charger, plug it in the wall, and you are done.  That solution will beat the pants off of any pulse motor.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2015, 06:22:44 PM »
So there you go mister MileHigh. Why are you even here on overunity.com if you are concluded that it is all quackery? I guess when I drove my boat for two years around CDA lake rotating the batteries around it was a delusion. Whatever man. You're in your own little black box and will limit yourself to conventional thinking. There is no flight possible when people are flying over your head. You are the one who is smoke and mirrors game. Welcome to Overunity.com where people attack you for recommending it.

Rick, I can state this with a very high degree of confidence:  Any circuit or system or alleged "special technology" that you would present at your conference could be analysed here and shown to be nothing remarkable.

That's what learning about electronics is all about.  Understanding the behaviour of circuits.   You guys avoid those things and instead play a smoke and mirrors game.  I am assuming there are times when you are not even aware of that yourself.

As far as your pulse-motor boat, and pulse-motor lawn mower goes, big deal.  That borders on the edge of motor quackery.  A real electric-powered boat or lawn mower would outperform your pulse motor versions.  The pulse motors you use have almost no torque, and heaven forbid you actually try to measure RPM vs. torque vs, input power, etc, like is done for any other electric motor.  If you actually generated proper motor performance curves like you should, how crappy a pulse motor is for powering a vehicle is would be quickly revealed.  The boat and the lawn mower are just props.

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