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Author Topic: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago  (Read 77682 times)

Offline PIH123

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #240 on: February 14, 2015, 05:02:43 AM »
Did you just say copper has less resistance then gold?
and we are suppose to take you serious?
wow

Please look it up.

Copper electrical resistivity 1.68×10−8 ohm⋅metres - (sorry can't type the rho symbol on my keypad)
Gold is 2.44×10−8 ohm⋅metres

Guess which one is lower.

Maybe you were thinking silver which is slightly lower (1.59×10−8).

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Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #241 on: February 14, 2015, 09:38:51 AM »
yeah that audio computer and now vaping industries are all going to stop gold and silver plating  real soon lol

its just for looks right? there is no benefit and men in black come and shut down inventors from making working devices.

pffft

you window lickers  need a reality check

jon

Offline MarkE

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #242 on: February 14, 2015, 10:06:36 AM »
yeah that audio computer and now vaping industries are all going to stop gold and silver plating  real soon lol

its just for looks right? there is no benefit and men in black come and shut down inventors from making working devices.

pffft

you window lickers  need a reality check

jon
Gold is used for its resistance to oxidation, not its conductivity.  In a wiping connection such as a 1/4" phone jack used in guitar and other musical instrument amplifiers each insertion wipes the plug outer surface on the spring loaded grounding terminal.  This action wipes the dendrites from the jack surface making a clean connection between the connector tin finish. 

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #242 on: February 14, 2015, 10:06:36 AM »
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Offline Pirate88179

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #243 on: February 14, 2015, 10:12:29 AM »
Gold is used for its resistance to oxidation, not its conductivity.  In a wiping connection such as a 1/4" phone jack used in guitar and other musical instrument amplifiers each insertion wipes the plug outer surface on the spring loaded grounding terminal.  This action wipes the dendrites from the jack surface making a clean connection between the connector tin finish.

Mark:

But that guy at the store claimed he could "hear" the difference...ha ha.  That was a long time ago and I know a lot more now than I did then but, even then I knew he was full of crap.

Bill

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #244 on: February 14, 2015, 11:11:30 AM »
Mark:

But that guy at the store claimed he could "hear" the difference...ha ha.  That was a long time ago and I know a lot more now than I did then but, even then I knew he was full of crap.

Bill
Monster brand makes great money upselling people. 

I just giggle when an HDMI cable is advertised as giving clearer picture or sound compared to another HDMI cable.  Why pay $5. for a perfectly good HDMI cable, when a "Pro" cable can be had for just $39.95?  Or, you can go "Pro Platinum" for just $59.95!  Or you can buy a "biased dielectric" model for $579.  Yes, that is a 6.6 foot HDMI cable for nearly $600.  The reviews are hilarious.  Many are tongue in cheek, like the guy who wants to overclock his cable:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/audioquest-coffee-6-6-hdmi-cable-brown-black/1267646.p?id=1218245470758&skuId=1267646


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Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #245 on: February 14, 2015, 11:46:41 AM »
gold plating has more to do with transfer of potentials then it does corrosion inheritance, because if it was a matter of corrosion then much cheaper materials would be used like chrome or  nickel   

one hundred years of audio design and techniques cant be wrong, right? but they could be wrong because they havent met you fine bunch of prestigious science folk 

why do you think gold is only on connectors not integrated into wires and boards exc.

but you guys know best and all the big businesses of the audio industry are trying to rip us off, i should have seen it coming when i spent all that money on that microphone and connectors......i could have saved hundreds and just used the one that came with my computer the sound is just the same, and all those musicians  should have know... its all the same in the end....

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #246 on: February 14, 2015, 12:39:19 PM »
gold plating has more to do with transfer of potentials then it does corrosion inheritance, because if it was a matter of corrosion then much cheaper materials would be used like chrome or  nickel   
Nickel is used both as a surface finish on many 1/4" phone plugs and as a barrier layer for gold plating.
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one hundred years of audio design and techniques cant be wrong, right? but they could be wrong because they havent met you fine bunch of prestigious science folk 
If you had researched you would have answered your own question and corrected your misconception.
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why do you think gold is only on connectors not integrated into wires and boards exc.
Gold over electroless nickel is a common PCB surface finish for equipment that has to last.  Soldermask over bare copper and tin, or silver finishes are common on low cost consumer goods that don't have a long life expectancy.
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but you guys know best and all the big businesses of the audio industry are trying to rip us off, i should have seen it coming when i spent all that money on that microphone and connectors......i could have saved hundreds and just used the one that came with my computer the sound is just the same, and all those musicians  should have know... its all the same in the end....
$579. for a 6' HDMI cable is very strong evidence that at least some in the industry try to fleece the gullible.
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*sadface*

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
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Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #247 on: February 14, 2015, 02:47:41 PM »
im not even going to justify that with a response .....your just dumb

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #248 on: February 14, 2015, 04:02:47 PM »
from Bestbuy:
AudioQuest - Coffee 6.6' HDMI Cable - Brown/Black
Model: 65-081-03 SKU: 1267646 Customer Rating:  4.6  (16 customer reviews)
$695.99
$700!!!!
Correction, Mark. In the CNC field, all pcb's use just solder resist over copper ; these are industrial boards' I have designed many boards and sell the products; never use gold plating for traces.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #248 on: February 14, 2015, 04:02:47 PM »
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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #249 on: February 14, 2015, 05:23:46 PM »
Correction: you can spend much more:
AudioQuest - Coffee 39.4' HDMI Cable - White
Model: 65-082-09 SKU: 1267764
From our expanded online assortment; compatible with most HDMI-enabled devices; silver-plated long-grain copper conductors; Dielectric-Bias System; audio return channel enabled
   4.7  (34 Reviews)
Check Shipping & Availability
$2,200.99

Go to Amazon and you'll find:

AudioQuest Diamond 16m (52.49 feet) Braided HDMI Cable
by Audioquest
$13,499.75
Only 4 left in stock - order soon.
FREE Shipping
3.6 out of 5 stars 49

you do get free shipping to reduce the pain...

Offline MileHigh

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #250 on: February 14, 2015, 05:37:50 PM »
In my opinion this is an example where it may make sense for government to step in.  Not for the price issue, but to stop false claims being promoted and advertised.

I have never heard of "dielectric bias" and suspect that it is a junk term.

Another term that may be physically true, "long-grain copper" but it still does not mean anything in the scheme of things.

Claims for superior audio and video will of course be false.

So a government consumer watchdog would make sense here.  Unfortunately the resources available dictate that you can't test everything and hold everybody accountable.  Suffice to say that there is a lot of junk out there.

It kind of reminds me of the bad old days of tube TVs and how unscrupulous TV repair shops would rip off people.  People with no shame stealing from widows on fixed pensions, etc.

Bedini is in the same boat as the $600 HDMI cable makers with the "CD 'clarifier.'"

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #250 on: February 14, 2015, 05:37:50 PM »
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Offline jonfrommanahawkin1

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #251 on: February 15, 2015, 02:58:37 AM »
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But I do think they use gold lmao

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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #252 on: February 15, 2015, 12:30:35 PM »
In my opinion this is an example where it may make sense for government to step in.  Not for the price issue, but to stop false claims being promoted and advertised.

I have never heard of "dielectric bias" and suspect that it is a junk term.

Another term that may be physically true, "long-grain copper" but it still does not mean anything in the scheme of things.

Claims for superior audio and video will of course be false.

So a government consumer watchdog would make sense here.  Unfortunately the resources available dictate that you can't test everything and hold everybody accountable.  Suffice to say that there is a lot of junk out there.

It kind of reminds me of the bad old days of tube TVs and how unscrupulous TV repair shops would rip off people.  People with no shame stealing from widows on fixed pensions, etc.

Bedini is in the same boat as the $600 HDMI cable makers with the "CD 'clarifier.'"

As long as the customers _believe_ that they are hearing improvements, there is no reason for any government regulators to step in. After all, according to those customers, the products work as advertised! And if someone doesn't hear the improvement, then there are always the "moneyback guarantees" offered by the manufacturers and vendors, who can afford to take back a few "defective" items because they make such high profits from the "satisfied" customers. In the audiophile industry, it's almost a "perfect crime" because the people who are being ripped off don't even realize it and aren't likely to complain about being suckered even when they do finally do a real, blinded "A-B" test as it's called. Who is going to admit that their three thousand dollar speaker wires don't actually make a perceptible difference in an objective test? Or that a 300 dollar wooden volume control knob doesn't really affect anything?

It's a well known effect in the field of Social Psychology that the more you pay for something, the more you value it. You can even manipulate how people value things or attitudes or opinions by getting them to write positive or negative reviews. No matter how they feel initially, even if they have absolutely no experience with the product at all,  if you pay someone a few dollars to write a positive review of something, and then later ask them honestly to evaluate it, they will give it a higher rating, and the reverse happens if you pay them to write a negative review. Charging someone a high price for a product has the same effect.

Offline MarkE

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #253 on: February 15, 2015, 01:43:32 PM »
Correction: you can spend much more:
AudioQuest - Coffee 39.4' HDMI Cable - White
Model: 65-082-09 SKU: 1267764
From our expanded online assortment; compatible with most HDMI-enabled devices; silver-plated long-grain copper conductors; Dielectric-Bias System; audio return channel enabled
   4.7  (34 Reviews)
Check Shipping & Availability
$2,200.99

Go to Amazon and you'll find:

AudioQuest Diamond 16m (52.49 feet) Braided HDMI Cable
by Audioquest
$13,499.75
Only 4 left in stock - order soon.
FREE Shipping
3.6 out of 5 stars 49

you do get free shipping to reduce the pain...
I intentionally did not go into the long cables because the extended length offers some value proposition to someone who needs it.  6' to 10' HDMI cables are commonplace, so that is why I listed the 6.6' cable.  A friend of mine told me about some speaker cables that were something like $45,000. each.  One can buy a pretty nice car complete with a pretty nice sound system in it for that kind of money.  I don't remember off hand whether the $45,000. was wire for just one speaker, or two.

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Re: New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago
« Reply #254 on: February 15, 2015, 09:12:56 PM »
As long as the customers _believe_ that they are hearing improvements, there is no reason for any government regulators to step in. After all, according to those customers, the products work as advertised! And if someone doesn't hear the improvement, then there are always the "moneyback guarantees" offered by the manufacturers and vendors, who can afford to take back a few "defective" items because they make such high profits from the "satisfied" customers. In the audiophile industry, it's almost a "perfect crime" because the people who are being ripped off don't even realize it and aren't likely to complain about being suckered even when they do finally do a real, blinded "A-B" test as it's called. Who is going to admit that their three thousand dollar speaker wires don't actually make a perceptible difference in an objective test? Or that a 300 dollar wooden volume control knob doesn't really affect anything?

It's a well known effect in the field of Social Psychology that the more you pay for something, the more you value it. You can even manipulate how people value things or attitudes or opinions by getting them to write positive or negative reviews. No matter how they feel initially, even if they have absolutely no experience with the product at all,  if you pay someone a few dollars to write a positive review of something, and then later ask them honestly to evaluate it, they will give it a higher rating, and the reverse happens if you pay them to write a negative review. Charging someone a high price for a product has the same effect.

This agrees totally with what I posted earlier in this topic.  If you get ripped off...it is much easier to not admit that to yourself and...yes...you can actually hear the "difference."  These con artists rely on this human condition.  I would be embarrassed to admit to anyone if I paid $600 (much less $30,000) and could not tell the difference.  Subconsciously, I would indeed hear an "improvement'.  Even if I didn't, how could I ever ask for my money back?

I disagree that the government should get involved, they are already way too involved in our daily lives.  Buyer beware.  There is always the option of taking them to civil court but...that could be sticky if they provided acoustic "experts" that can "hear" the difference.

Wooden knobs?  Really?  I had not heard of that one.  What's next?  Cans of nitrogen that you spray into the room around your stereo to "purify" the air around the components to get better sound?

Bill

 

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