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Author Topic: Possible truth about Steorn  (Read 6210 times)

Offline PaulLowrance

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Possible truth about Steorn
« on: September 22, 2006, 05:29:25 PM »
Someone from the science community posted this ->

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The claims are false.  Steorn is an anti-fraud operation.  They are currently perpetrating a fraud for research and to prove a point. e.g 'people are sheep'  which is not something that needs to be told or researched.  Those who don't know are not capable of knowing and everyone else knows.


I hope Steorn's claims are true, but if they're not, then someone needs to find out who is destroying this industries reputation.  I have been researching suspicious activity of groups, one particular in Germany, that are responsible for destroying this industry.  I have previously outlined many legitimate reasons why these groups exist. I have previously outlined why such groups would have to be brainless to not hire teams to flood this industry. Furthermore, unfortunately their actions are completely legal. :( The first is very obvious that oil, gas, and electricity companies have the world to lose. Second, there are a great deal of people in power who falsely believe "Free Energy" will destroy capitalism and democracy. I've previously outlined why this is an incorrect theory. "Free Energy" merely introduces initial difficulties. History has proven time after time that democracy quickly evolves when great changes are introduced. Third, nearly every government is opposed of allowing legitimate "Tesla technology" in public hands. They are terrified of allowing terrorists, irresponsible inventors and scientists messing with this technology. Last, they do not want 7 billion people adding unlimited amounts of energy to the planet. Global warming is already out of hand.

Although I have to agree that the world is not yet ready for "Tesla technology," I firmly believe with 100% conviction the world needs Magnetocaloric energy technology, which is very simple, does not lead to dangerous technology, is based on old conventional classical science theories and technology, does not contribute to global warming.

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Possible truth about Steorn
« on: September 22, 2006, 05:29:25 PM »

Offline Clarky

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2006, 08:07:03 PM »
I agree with everything you just wrote. I personally do not believe the economic situation is quite as dire and hopeless as people may think, as eventually these technologies will be widely realised and previous energy tech will most likely become resource sparse too, expensive and inefficient to maintain, subsequently causing public uproar.

I for one do not want to be spending near ?100 at some stage on a tank of fuel, it will in all probability happen.

Best thing to do I guess is to create consortiums and societies like that particular place in Switzerland using the swiss ML converter. Large goups of people who can accept the economic system changes required need to give birth to this new tech, not already established companies that thrive off of bureaucracy and subscription of the masses.

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2006, 07:20:23 PM »
Hi Paul,

you wrote "suspicious activity of groups, one particular in Germany".
Do you have more information about this german group?

Thanks & greetings , Pontifex

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2006, 07:20:23 PM »
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Offline PaulLowrance

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2006, 11:06:55 PM »
Hi Clarky,

Thanks for replying and for the info. I also agree with what you said.

Hi Pontifex,

This is probably not my wisest post, but I think it will OK.

I have to be very cautions when discussing this topic. It's not good topic for anyone who wishes to remain in public eye, but the intent of this thread is merely to open the eyes of legitimate researchers. My advice is "Do not work on a device just because it's the most popular."

I've been a System Admin since 1997, software engineer since 1980 and self-taught electronics engineer. So I know of legal methods of hearing chatter in addition to numerous other non-Internet methods. I mentioned the group in Germany because this group is passive. They have their own agenda and use legal methods of distracting legitimate "free energy" designs. Personally I would be frightened to mention other groups who use more aggressive methods.

There are groups somewhat more aggressive who tap into computers. My 10 years of Internet security was not enough to prevent a group from breaking into my machine for the sole purpose of analyzing my research. I was tracking this group up till the point I posted this thread. Every few minutes, 24 hours per day, every day they performed a quick scan. Right after I posted this thread the quick scans stopped.

Anyhow, as I've stated before, their secrets are safe with me. I want to live. So far I'm just a small nuisance to their work. Have you watched the Borg on the science fiction television series Star Trek? The Borg allows intruders to watch, even beam on their ship, but the moment you interfere ... :(

Paul Lowrance

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2006, 01:32:42 AM »
Hi Clever Guy!

Just my 2 cents :

Exerpt from :
http://www.steornwatch.com/steorn-live-chat-transcript-24-aug-06-16

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Q: Are you afraid that corporate big business or government entities might have you whacked?
Sean_McCarthy: No, I have worked most of my life in the energy business and do not buy into conspiracy theories!

Do you think this statement could 'match' with what Paul Lowrance is telling us about the spying of his computer? 

Else: the Steorn Web Site seems not have been updated since then end of august.

Best
« Last Edit: September 25, 2006, 02:04:07 AM by NerzhDishual »

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2006, 02:04:25 AM »
Hi NerzhDishual,

I agree the Steorn "News" hasn't been updated since August 25th this year. Also someone should tell Steorn that their site no longer works without the "www" At least at the time of this writing and for at least one week-- http://steorn.net  There are hundreds of sites that point to the Steorn site without the www.

IMHO the above-mentioned items are just coincidences, perhaps by accident or on purpose. What I'm referring to are very clever tactics. IMHO nobody, including Steorn, will notice anything too odd. That is why a lot of people do not follow the conspiracy theories. Because the groups who oppose global "free energy" are clever. For example, 90% of the people posting on this forum could be people from groups whose agenda is to suppress "free energy," but you and I would be hard pressed to notice it. You could say most of these groups for the most part use passive legal tactics.

Regards,
Paul Lowrance

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2006, 02:28:09 AM »

Hi Paul Lowrance

Thanks for answering.
I see what you mean, passive legal tactics...
I'm afraid being too naive.
Yes, suggesting some 'conspiracies' is the best way to be scoffed.

My reason (and some experiments) is telling me that Free NRG devices (particularly 'magnet motors' and 'water fuel cells') are definitely possible.

My intuition was suggesting me that this Steorn story could actually be an huge campaign of misinformation.
To me that sounds 'too good to be true' or 'too simple to be credible'.

Best

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2006, 03:00:40 AM »


I've been a System Admin since 1997, software engineer since 1980 and self-taught electronics engineer. So I know of legal methods of hearing chatter in addition to numerous other non-Internet methods. I mentioned the group in Germany because this group is passive. They have their own agenda and use legal methods of distracting legitimate "free energy" designs. Personally I would be frightened to mention other groups who use more aggressive methods.

There are groups somewhat more aggressive who tap into computers. My 10 years of Internet security was not enough to prevent a group from breaking into my machine for the sole purpose of analyzing my research. I was tracking this group up till the point I posted this thread. Every few minutes, 24 hours per day, every day they performed a quick scan. Right after I posted this thread the quick scans stopped.


Not much can remain a secret, at least nothing that is electronically transmited?

I'm sure most here are familiar with ECHELON, but just in case :
America's Surveillance Network
http://fly.hiwaay.net/~pspoole/echelon.html

Paul thx for the links here and the N-Machine, I added some more but I think I got them on the poll thread.

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2006, 03:03:28 AM »

http://www.steornwatch.com/steorn-live-chat-transcript-24-aug-06-16

NerzhThx for the link. It answered some questions-It seems it may take sometime to get updates.

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2006, 03:39:40 AM »
Hi mikestocks2006 and NerzhDishual,

I apologize to everyone about this topic. It's not a good topic, but IMHO it is very important.

Quote from: NerzhDishual
My intuition was suggesting me that this Steorn story could actually be an huge campaign of misinformation.

I hope your intuition is incorrect, but my intuitional agrees with you. Yet we must not allow suppression techniques to destroy our hope. We must give every one and every group a chance. It is unfortunate that time after time after time our hopes are lifted and then dropped like a ton of bricks. Steorn might end up like all the countless companies and inventors who've promised everything, but faded out of the limelight.

I don't think the science community will ever give another "free energy" machine a chance, ever! It might be a long time before ABC or other major television networks want to be tricked again. The public might ignore the real smoking gun. If true then it's up to people like us to spread the news. That is why the following is vitally important:

Important:
Regardless how many times our hopes are crushed, every time an inventor freely publishes the exact build instructions of a machine that runs by itself and generates extra energy we need to build it and give them the benefit of the doubt!!!!!!!  Forums can be flooded to distract the invention. ABC, CNN, etc. can ignore the inventor. The science community can bash the inventor. Inventors can vanish. Inventor usernames on forums can be impersonated and announce "Folks, sorry, I found a flaw in my invention. It does not work!"  But if enough people don't forget and build the machine then it's possible to spread the news.

I predict this will be the year we win, the year of "Free Energy"!  ;D

Paul Lowrance

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Re: Possible truth about Steorn
« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2006, 02:56:28 PM »
THE SEEMINGLY IMPOSSIBLE COMPLEXITY OF ABSOLUTE SIMPLICITY
Quantum theory was just a guessology game. It was even treated with some derision by many physicists. Day to day engineering, which can only exist by serving the taxpayer, has been infiltrated by the games of physicists, for at least 150 years.

Physicists live off the taxpayer and are unemployable by public listed engineering companies. They operate within a private organisation which is devoted to the ?proliferation of physics wisdom?; by a virus called the ?Laws of Physics?, they have held back real progress in engineering for at least 150 years. The two most important concepts of Newtonian science do not exist in the real Universe. They are ??.

The efficiency concept of OUTPUT/INPUT is always ONE and the fusion-fission of light value.
The concept of Potential Energy (PE) Joules does not exist because all QUANTUM engines of mass are PERPETUALLY ANIMATED and can only exhibit the properties of WATTS.

Source: www.unifiedtheory.org.ok

That give "hope"
pese

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