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Author Topic: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?  (Read 8885 times)

Offline gotoluc

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Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« on: December 23, 2014, 03:01:31 AM »
Hi Stefan and all,

I see there is a new video which Overunity.com is presenting but I see no topic of discussion for it?

Here is the video in case you don't know what I'm talking about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cqk7fijGG8

What is going on and will this be shared for replication?

Thanks

Luc

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Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« on: December 23, 2014, 03:01:31 AM »

Offline d3x0r

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2014, 04:22:45 AM »
certainly deserves it's own thread... need some good reverse engineers :)  Never see the bottom of the board; lots of guesswork...




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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2014, 04:51:24 AM »
That demonstration is extremely weak.  The led loads are perhaps a few mW.  That is easily within the range of just the visible capacitors driving the LEDs through a voltage regulator.  Connectivity through the toroid can be used by the circuit as an on-off.

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2014, 05:57:39 AM »
Oh come on, where is your imagination?  The electrolytic capacitor can could be gutted and stuffed with 3 or 4 3-volt button cells in parallel. These, combined with a simple Joule Thief boost oscillator circuit, could keep the LEDs lit for many hours. And looking at the bottom of the board would not reveal anything. The coil can complete the connection, and even act as the inductor in the JT circuit. Or a tiny inductor looking like a resistor could be used. A simple logic circuit can make the latching power-on function, so that the system would not start lighting the LEDs until some external connection to a "startup" supply is made; then the startup supply could be disconnected and the system will stay on. The LEDs aren't as bright in Stuttgart as they were back home because even with highly efficient JT boost circuits the batteries do eventually run down. The components we see on the board are entirely consistent with my hypothesis. The disassembly of the coil is a great Red Herring; note how he "casually" pushes the board aside so you don't have to worry about it any more. No tests are performed that could rule out the batteries-in-the-can trick, which I believe Akula has used before several times. Take a pair of diagonal cutting pliers and move towards the board with them, threatening to cut the capacitors apart, and watch Akula freak absolutely out.

It is trivially easy to take an electrolytic capacitor apart without damaging the case and replace the guts with batteries. It is trivially easy to make a circuit, battery powered, that starts up by making a connection, either with an external startup supply or just a shorting jumper or switch. It is trivially easy to make a Joule Thief circuit that will run a dozen LEDs for a long time on some tiny button cells. And, obviously, it is trivially easy to fool gullible observers who do not know how to examine claims like these critically.

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2014, 06:14:56 AM »
TK I don't know if you were addressing me or not.  I agree with you completely.  The demonstration could have been done any of the ways that you listed.  For the relatively short run times shown even an unaltered capacitor would work.  One filled with SR-10/E76 cells as you suggest would be able to run for a very long time.

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2014, 08:25:22 AM »
Oh, that is very interesting video .... Where can we get schematics for this? I for one would like to replicate it and see if it works.  It looks simple enough that can be built relatively easy, but without knowing the working principle and the schematics, it would take years to figure it out.

Offline Hoppy

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2014, 09:08:05 AM »
Yes, its tiresome keep seeing this type of 'strip-down' video where everything is not actually stripped down, dissected and examined.  ::)

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
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Offline MarkE

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2014, 09:54:04 AM »
Oh, that is very interesting video .... Where can we get schematics for this? I for one would like to replicate it and see if it works.  It looks simple enough that can be built relatively easy, but without knowing the working principle and the schematics, it would take years to figure it out.
I can draw you a schematic that will work just as well as the demonstration.  It won't be over unity anymore than that demonstration was.

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2014, 10:27:18 AM »
I am certain you have the Joule Thief or something similar in mind. I can do the same thing with super caps and Joule thief circuity,  no problem. It'll take me less than an hour to put it together. However, i am interested if the Akula device truly works as advertised. It appears to be simple enough that I can try on my spare time without killing myself like I did with Bedini pulse motors.


I do not like to talk negatively on something, unless I have tried it myself like the Bedini garbage that I spent countless hours of work  , if the device itself is just plain obvious that it is a scam (ie.  WITTS) ,  or if someone else credible have already replicated it and failed.

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2014, 02:47:47 PM »
I am certain you have the Joule Thief or something similar in mind. I can do the same thing with super caps and Joule thief circuity,  no problem. It'll take me less than an hour to put it together. However, i am interested if the Akula device truly works as advertised. It appears to be simple enough that I can try on my spare time without killing myself like I did with Bedini pulse motors.


I do not like to talk negatively on something, unless I have tried it myself like the Bedini garbage that I spent countless hours of work  , if the device itself is just plain obvious that it is a scam (ie.  WITTS) ,  or if someone else credible have already replicated it and failed.

There are various old threads on the forum where people have been working with schematics for some of the dozen or so other devices that Akula/Ruslan/Stivep have posted, claiming they self-run.  Even with schematics, nobody has been able to duplicate the _self running_ performance. However in every case simple trickery can be used to provide this self-running. For example one of the devices used four potentiometers, with their _cases_ soldered into the circuit, seemingly without any logical reason. Unless, that is, the cases had batteries inside them instead of the guts of the pots. Then soldering the cases in makes perfect sense.
I myself "replicated" one of the circuits for which they posted scopeshots. I was able to reproduce the exact scope traces that they posted... but of course the device would not self-run. However, simply replacing one of the capacitors with a faked cap containing a couple of tiny batteries would make it _look like_ it was self-running. 
I don't think they have posted scope traces for their devices since then.
Now, I believe that you can examine critically the whole of the Akula story and decide for yourself, without wasting a lot of time as you did on the Bedini work. The very fact that there are _so many different_ gadgets from these people ... yet nobody has been able to reproduce any self running, even though they have schematics  ... should tell you something very significant. I call it "Violation of Conservation of Miracles." They should have stopped with two or three different gadgets, that would have been perhaps a lot more believable. Also, Ruslan made a big error when he showed us around the _commercial radio station_ where he works. Some of the early devices are tuned circuits that would probably work just fine to light up their LEDs -- within the near field of a big broadcast radio station antenna.

By all means, build this one if you can find a schematic. I'd do so myself, as soon as a circuit diagram turns up. I may make a version anyway, according to my own thoughts about the circuit.  You'll probably find that it will "work" for a few seconds, and it will work for much much longer if you fake the capacitor as I suspect has been done.

If you are interested, here is the "replication" I made, that makes the identical scope traces that they showed, using the same components assembled according to a schematic that allegedly represented their demonstrated circuit (with a couple of errors corrected) ... but does not self-run in spite of that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHAc7kDY4-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn8kadM61jw
Below I've attached the scopeshot they posted, and then one from my replication:
(The "50v/div" on the Akula shot has been shown to be due to them using a 1x probe setting while the scope is told that it is a 10x probe, we have images from them to prove this)

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2014, 08:42:32 PM »
Hi Stefan and all,
I see there is a new video which Overunity.com is presenting but I see no topic of discussion for it?
Here is the video in case you don't know what I'm talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cqk7fijGG8
What is going on and will this be shared for replication?
Thanks
Luc

Hi Luc. Akula has posted various schematics for his devices, but they often do not seem to match exactly
the devices he demonstrates, or the schematics may not work as shown.
Akula has been working with some Germans who appear to be helping him market or maybe
commercially develop his devices. There are a few videos which show Akula demonstrating a few of his
devices to various people over in Germany. Some more such videos here:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2aHNMDJzRW7YDd145_Pa2w/videos

Akula did another tear down video a while back, available here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9Tw66wrW0A

All the best...


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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2014, 08:42:32 PM »
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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2014, 04:29:40 AM »
TK,


i appreciate your constructive feedback. I looked around the net and other forums. It appears that many people were having trouble with this device as you mentioned. I've decided that if the inventor does not release the "working" schematics and let us replicate it, then this is just as credible as Bedini, WITTS, and the QEG claims of OU. I'm not gonna bother building it.


I will continue to look for a project that is worth my time.


thanks,

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Re: Where is the 1 watt TPU topic?
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2014, 02:42:04 AM »
TK,


i appreciate your constructive feedback. I looked around the net and other forums. It appears that many people were having trouble with this device as you mentioned. I've decided that if the inventor does not release the "working" schematics and let us replicate it, then this is just as credible as Bedini, WITTS, and the QEG claims of OU. I'm not gonna bother building it.


I will continue to look for a project that is worth my time.


thanks,

That is a reasonable position to take and is the same one that I take.  I too have been led down the garden path one too many times before.

Bill

 

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