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Offline profitis

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #105 on: December 30, 2014, 10:52:46 AM »
I believe mr moray was fooling around with bismuth too mmmmm

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #106 on: December 30, 2014, 05:22:19 PM »


I NEVER AND AT NO TIME mention the MAGNET being hotter ....... rather the bismuth.


likewise it was shot in TOTAL darkness, and also covered with non-reflective black cloth, ........so your reflective premise is a red herring and bull shat.

The discussion was with regard to your earlier claim that a magnet emits heat...

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« Reply #107 on: December 31, 2014, 07:18:24 AM »

the book is free, "uncovering the missing secrets of magnetism"  on archive.org  etc etc.


also another 300+ pages to add to the book.


lux et veritas


Well, I was hoping for a briefer kind of a summed-up answer, to compare your thinking with that of Faraday, without taking a year sabbatical to figure out the complexities of YOUR strange and wonderful, and, hyper-complicated, hypothesis of moving magnetic field provided by a "stationary" magnet.

OK, folks, move on. Nothing to see here, go and use up a year of your short life to puzzle over a long answer that could have, if it is true, could have been answered concisely within one minute.

Many years ago today, Faraday voted "NOT!". For about two hundred years NOT! has been working pretty good. NOT! is very simple to understand and marvelously quickly explained, and, understood.

Your hypothetical YES!, if true, could be equally easily and quickly explained. You have not done so. That leads me to think that your are hiding something. 


thanks et answeritas anywayus
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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #108 on: December 31, 2014, 08:07:41 AM »
YOUR strange and wonderful, and, hyper-complicated, hypothesis of moving magnetic field provided by a "stationary" magnet.


anyone who thinks a magnetic field is not moving, is INSANE.     Gyromagnetic precession and phase differential between poles of rarefaction and compression CANNOT BE DENIED by anyone.


The Larmor frequency is a WELL KNOWN ENTITY, 
  in case you didnt think (most people never DO), frequency necessitates MOVEMENT by definition,  ......simple enough for you?



There is nothing complicated about it, the fault lay at YOUR feet, not mine,..........  the blind complain about not seeing a pretty flower.



The absolute truth, as it happens, magnetism is NOT a field in definition, once finally reduced, rather a force of the loss of dielectric inertia

Magnetism is  a FORCE, not a field, all spatially divergent Ether modalities are the loss of counterspatial inertia, expressed either as magnetism, or spatial condensates as matter, or as transverse expressions of electricity. There is only ONE FIELD, dielectricity, the rest are field modalities with divergent expressions.



and no, Im not contradicting myself, however as a CONTRIVANCE, speaking about "magnetic fields" is acceptable for DISCUSSION, .......but the brass tacks are that MAGNETISM IS NOT A FIELD

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #109 on: December 31, 2014, 08:12:37 AM »
I posted quote 1 some time ago, and MOST 'speculation' here (and elsewhere) was that people assumed Tesla was talking about his AC motor / invention rather than the discovery of reciprocating / rotating force/magnetic field divergences and convergences.


Quote number #2 as found in another location entirely,.........by any reckoning seems to dispel the notion that Tesla placed or MEANT to imply his huge pride was invested in his AC MOTOR invention/ discovery RATHER THAN the discovery of reciprocating magnetic field divergences-convergences.


AS SUCH Tesla's greatest pride (if you will) seems to stem from his grasp of the fundamental nature of magnetism itself RATHER THAN his AC motor invention which harvested this force and power.




QUOTE 1
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:

Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, It was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the “rotating magnetic field”. Tesla answered: “rotating magnetic fields were dear to my heart. When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before”.
“No”, Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, “I would not give my rotating magnetic field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!”
Then saying: “A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.” - Nikola Tesla
Article: “A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” (Popular Science Monthly)



QUOTE 2 (parenthesis mine)


“No amount of praise is too much to bestow upon Edison for his (lamp / bulb), but all he did was wrought (‘work’) in known and passing forms. What I contributed constitutes a new and lasting edition to human knowledge. Like his lamp, my induction motor may be discarded and forgotten in the continuous evolution of the (electric motor?) arts, but my rotating field with its marvelous phenomena and manifestations of force (from magnetism) will last as long as science itself” - Nikola Tesla
New York World Nov. 29, 1929, p. 10 col. 4-5. To the Editor of the World





If you dont understand what Tesla is SAYING in quote 2, then I would say you were a goddamn idiot.


POINT BEING, Teslas pride is NOT HIS AC MOTOR, but the discovery of rotating (reciprocating) magnetic 'fields' (divergence)


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In another ilk, I love this one I found.

“Seldom if ever has an original ideal of consequence been born in an elaborate laboratory. The egg of science is laid in the nest of solitude. True, it maybe later be incubated, hatched and nursed in a million dollar laboratory. No big laboratory is needed in which to think. Originality thrives in seclusion free of outside influences beating upon us to cripple the creative mind. Be alone! This is the secret of invention; be alone, that is where ideas are borne.” – Nikola Tesla

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #110 on: December 31, 2014, 09:19:14 AM »
I posted quote 1 some time ago, and MOST 'speculation' here (and elsewhere) was that people assumed Tesla was talking about his AC motor / invention rather than the discovery of reciprocating / rotating force/magnetic field divergences and convergences.


Quote number #2 as found in another location entirely,.........by any reckoning seems to dispel the notion that Tesla placed or MEANT to imply his huge pride was invested in his AC MOTOR invention/ discovery RATHER THAN the discovery of reciprocating magnetic field divergences-convergences.


AS SUCH Tesla's greatest pride (if you will) seems to stem from his grasp of the fundamental nature of magnetism itself RATHER THAN his AC motor invention which harvested this force and power.




QUOTE 1
Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:

Toward the end of the interview, we asked Tesla which arena of science most appealed to him. While we expected him to mention radios and airplanes, the world wireless system, It was not the induction motor; instead it was the discovery of the principle that preceded the induction motor, the “rotating magnetic field”. Tesla answered: “rotating magnetic fields were dear to my heart. When I made the discovery of the rotating magnetic field, I was a very young man. The revelation came after years of concentrated thought and it was my first great thrill. It was not only a valuable discovery capable of extensive practical applications. It was a REVELATION OF NEW FORCES AND NEW PHENOMENA unknown to science before”.
“No”, Dr. Tesla said with some feelings, “I would not give my rotating magnetic field discovery for a thousand inventions, however valuable, designed merely as mechanical contraptions to deceive the eye and ear!”
Then saying: “A thousand years hence, the telephone and the motion picture camera may be obsolete, but the principle of the rotating magnetic field will remain a vital, living thing for all time to come.” - Nikola Tesla
Article: “A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future” (Popular Science Monthly)



QUOTE 2 (parenthesis mine)


“No amount of praise is too much to bestow upon Edison for his (lamp / bulb), but all he did was wrought (‘work’) in known and passing forms. What I contributed constitutes a new and lasting edition to human knowledge. Like his lamp, my induction motor may be discarded and forgotten in the continuous evolution of the (electric motor?) arts, but my rotating field with its marvelous phenomena and manifestations of force (from magnetism) will life as long as science itself” - Nikola Tesla
New York World Nov. 29, 1929, p. 10 col. 4-5. To the Editor of the World





If you dont understand what Tesla is SAYING in quote 2, then I would say you were a goddamn idiot.


POINT BEING, Teslas pride is NOT HIS AC MOTOR, but the discovery of rotating (reciprocating) magnetic 'fields' (divergence)


~~~~~~

In another ilk, I love this one I found.

“Seldom if ever has an original ideal of consequence been born in an elaborate laboratory. The egg of science is laid in the nest of solitude. True, it maybe later be incubated, hatched and nursed in a million dollar laboratory. No big laboratory is needed in which to think. Originality thrives in seclusion free of outside influences beating upon us to cripple the creative mind. Be alone! This is the secret of invention; be alone, that is where ideas are borne.” – Nikola Tesla


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If you dont understand what Tesla is SAYING in quote 2, then I would say you were a goddamn idiot.

LOL! Many years ago today I realized what Tesla meant when he spoke of a ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD. Unfortunately, to the distress of our trying to understand each other, what he meant is NOT what you obviously misunderstand him to have meant.

If I ever call you a Goddamn idiot, you better worry about it, because it will mean that you have proved it beyond any merciful doubt. And the bad news is that you are already on the royal road there.

I think I remember asking you a question some time ago, about Faraday, and , the one-piece motor/dynamo, and, magnetic fields moving or being stationary, and I never saw you respond. No surprise.


Stationarilly yours
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« Reply #111 on: December 31, 2014, 09:26:45 AM »
LOL! Many years ago today I realized what Tesla meant when he spoke of a ROTATING MAGNETIC FIELD.


There is NOTHING stationary in the universe, ergo, youre an idiot.



What you THINK you realized is a figment inside your little little mind, and not an absolute truth, and the quotes are very VERY obvious (if you read english).



Since you dont read english very well, let me help you, I said "goddamn idiot" as per people in general, I was NOT referring to you specifically.  (the idiot remark just above, however is YOURS)


glad you missed that, ...........(another figmented invention of your MIND)


If I ever call you a Goddamn idiot, you better worry about it


couldnt care less or give a damn what you or anyone says about me, ....it has no relevance whatsoever.


I dont worry about anyone, much less you.  Pedal your cryptic threats down the road.

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« Reply #112 on: December 31, 2014, 09:46:28 AM »

There is NOTHING stationary in the universe, ergo, youre an idiot.



What you THINK you realized is a figment inside your little little mind, and not an absolute truth, and the quotes are very VERY obvious (if you read english).



Since you dont read english very well, let me help you, I said "goddamn idiot" as per people in general, I was NOT referring to you specifically.  (the idiot remark just above, however is YOURS)


glad you missed that, ...........(another figmented invention of your MIND)



couldnt care less or give a damn what you or anyone says about me, ....it has no relevance whatsoever.


I dont worry about anyone, much less you.  Pedal your cryptic threats down the road.


Breaking back to Faraday, his one-piece motor/dynamo, and, the theory that a magnetic field doesn't actually move although its source magnetic may move and emit another field at the new location, your erudite, lucid, and, insult and curse free response is.......?


Nicest regards
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« Reply #113 on: December 31, 2014, 09:53:39 AM »

Breaking back to Faraday, his one-piece motor/dynamo, and, the theory that a magnetic field doesn't actually move although its source magnetic may move and emit another field at the new location, your erudite, lucid, and, insult and curse free response is.......?


you pathetically and ignorantly confuse stationary MAGNET with stationary magnetic "field" which doesnt exist.



Magnetism is not a field, its a force.


There is no such goddamn thing as a ONE PIECE dynamo.    ;D ;D ;D




suggest you go study what the (fuck) gyromagnetic precession is, or the LARMOR FREQUENCY


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« Reply #114 on: December 31, 2014, 10:05:43 AM »
Larmor frequency and gyro precession on the atoms generates wobbly friction @ken? This what you're saying?

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« Reply #115 on: December 31, 2014, 10:28:56 AM »

you pathetically and ignorantly confuse stationary MAGNET with stationary magnetic "field" which doesnt exist.



Magnetism is not a field, its a force.


There is no such goddamn thing as a ONE PIECE dynamo.    ;D ;D ;D




suggest you go study what the (fuck) gyromagnetic precession is, or the LARMOR FREQUENCY


A permanent magnet glued to a copper disk. The resulting assembly acts as ONE PIECE. Oh, I get it now....that is TOO SIMPLE for a super duper intellect to understand, so you don't get it.

Suggest that, if you genuinely want to teach us morons, you use your clever-as-the-Devil super-intellect to communicate to us morons in terms that we can understand. Or, if you are unable or unwilling to talk to us on our own minuscule level, you give up the pretense and quit frustrating yourself by confronting our vastly inferior stupidity and leave.

Explain the one-piece Faraday Disk in terms of the Ken Hypotheguess of a ever agitating magnetic field. Oh, oh, including why a stationary one-piece Faraday Disk does not spontaneously leap into motion due to the inherent motion of the intrinsic magnetic field.


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« Reply #116 on: December 31, 2014, 11:07:41 AM »



  Of course that diagram of Faraday Induction Dynamo on reply 113 is total rubbish.
  How can one have "electron current" when there is no electron?
  I wouldn't trade 2 pfennigs worth of dog shit for it!!
          John.

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« Reply #117 on: December 31, 2014, 01:54:39 PM »


  Of course that diagram of Faraday Induction Dynamo on reply 113 is total rubbish.
  How can one have "electron current" when there is no electron?
  I wouldn't trade 2 pfennigs worth of dog shit for it!!
          John.

What do you suppose that H0 with the arrow indicates in the graphic of Larmor precession? How about the repeated presence of a quantity whose unit is the _electron volt_ in the math "someone" has copy-pasted but clearly doesn't understand? What do you suppose those units mean? How about the presence of the "1T" term? What exactly does the unit "Tesla" signify in those equations?

The first equation is for _electron spin_ in a _magnetic field_ ... but of course according to "someone" neither the electron nor the magnetic field exist. Hmm..... how can this be?

(By the way, here's the _uncredited reference_ where "someone" copy-pasted without credit, that is plagiarized, the image of the set of equations that use quantities and entities he denies the existence of, in an attempt to bolster his points:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/magnetic/larmor.html  )

How many pieces are there in this homopolar dynamo running as a motor? Where are the stationary magnets that appear in "someone's" diagram?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFMq1Cvtg1s
Is there any doubt that this apparatus would generate a voltage if it were spun by an external rotator?


And finally.... does "someone" intend to send some things to Chet (ramset) for independent testing of his claims about the bismuth sphere being warmer than its surroundings, emitting heat ... or not?



(cue another insecure set of rants, irrelevant copy-pasta and ego-defensive boasts and kindergarten playground insults from the insecure "someone"....)

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« Reply #118 on: December 31, 2014, 05:50:59 PM »

acts as ONE PIECE


ACTS AS one piece ,  NOW you said it, but dont GET IT




A car and its 1000s of parts bolted together  ACT AS ONE PIECE, but they goddamn ARENT,.




AGAIN, there is no such goddamn thing as a  "one piece dynamo",     youre looking for Unicorns

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« Reply #119 on: December 31, 2014, 05:54:06 PM »
Larmor frequency and gyro precession on the atoms generates wobbly friction @ken? This what you're saying?


I was making that in reference same to the other persons (and another) idiotic premise that a "magnetic field" is fixed or stationary, which is insane absurd bullshit of the HIGHEST order.



Of which Im writing about in fine detail, is that either pole has compression and rarefaction phase differences,


of which this is relevant to many things, and must exist necessitatively, it ALSO explained every 40 YEARS WORTH (rawles and davis and others) of biological experimentation which proves a rarefaction at the N pole and compression at the S pole.




 

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