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Author Topic: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy  (Read 74545 times)

Offline TheoriaApophasis

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #210 on: January 02, 2015, 04:18:09 AM »
And, of course, if you don't know the answer, you can just state that as well...



Youre being a sophistic moron, I can magnetize an object by

1. Magnetization Using Indirect Induction (Indirect Magnetization)

2. A 1 volt battery discharge

3. or 300 V and 30 amps  and more.



You insane fucking moronic question is like asking how long do you have to open the TAP to get water in a glass.



Youre a sophistic worm.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #211 on: January 02, 2015, 04:25:43 AM »


Youre being a sophistic moron, I can magnetize an object by

1. Magnetization Using Indirect Induction (Indirect Magnetization)

2. A 1 volt battery discharge

3. or 300 V and 30 amps  and more.



You insane fucking moronic question is like asking how long do you have to open the TAP to get water in a glass.



Youre a sophistic worm.

But what is the answer to this question:

During the magnetization process of a pre-magnet, with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #212 on: January 02, 2015, 04:53:06 AM »
But what is the answer to this question:

During the magnetization process of a pre-magnet, with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?


you didnt mention the capacitance or resistance of said material

The displacement current which results from the production or consumption of total dielectric induction



I love sophistic assholes.


The displacement current I, in amperes, is given by the proportion of the total quantity of dielectric induction, to the time rate of the gain or loss of this quantity of dielectric induction, in per seconds. The current, I, is the time rate of variation of dielectricity....... so, now , asshole, what is the capacitance, mass of the object being magnetized, and its material?  Fe?  Neo Fe Bo? or cobalt?


Go pound sand, you sophistic worm.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #212 on: January 02, 2015, 04:53:06 AM »
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Offline picowatt

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #213 on: January 02, 2015, 04:58:10 AM »

you didnt mention the capacitance or resistance of said material

The displacement current which results from the production or consumption of total dielectric induction



I love sophistic assholes.


The displacement current I, in amperes, is given by the proportion of the total quantity of dielectric induction, to the time rate of the gain or loss of this quantity of dielectric induction, in per seconds. The current, I, is the time rate of variation of dielectricity....... so, now , asshole, what is the capacitance, mass of the object being magnetized, and its material?  Fe?  Neo Fe Bo? or cobalt?


Go pound sand, you sophistic worm.

If you knew the answer to the question, you would realize how unimportant all that you speak of truly is.

So, once again:

During the magnetization process of a pre-magnet with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?


(Are you conceding that you do not know what the current thru, and the voltage across, the pre-magnet is during the magnetization process using a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted?)

ADDED:  The first step towards learning anything, is admitting you don't know everything...

Offline TheoriaApophasis

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #214 on: January 02, 2015, 05:08:38 AM »
Are you conceding that you do not know what the current thru


I answered you 2 times,   not accepting the answer is not a non-answer



I see youve taken worm lessons from High for Miles

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #214 on: January 02, 2015, 05:08:38 AM »
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Offline picowatt

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #215 on: January 02, 2015, 05:11:04 AM »

I answered you 2 times,   not accepting the answer is not a non-answer



I see youve taken worm lessons from High for Miles

My sincerest apologies, I must have missed it, as likely all other readers here have.

What was your answer?

ADDED:  Just two numbers are needed, the current thru, and the voltage across, the pre-magnet during the magnetization process when magnetized using a magnetizer as shown in your posted images.  No need to be exact, feel free to round.

Offline MileHigh

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #216 on: January 02, 2015, 06:16:49 AM »
PW:

Hey thanks for your comments, and best wishes and happy new year to you and everyone on the forum!

Perhaps Kenny could cope with a multiple choice question?

(A) Current through the pre-magnet (please specify voltage and current)
(B) Current through an external coil

You never know!  Talk about trials and tribulations...

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
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Offline picowatt

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #217 on: January 02, 2015, 08:09:03 AM »
PW:

Hey thanks for your comments, and best wishes and happy new year to you and everyone on the forum!

Perhaps Kenny could cope with a multiple choice question?

(A) Current through the pre-magnet (please specify voltage and current)
(B) Current through an external coil

You never know!  Talk about trials and tribulations...

This was all discussed months ago in the "Ultimate" thread.  In fact, I believe my very first post in that thread was with regard to his comments that capacitors are discharged thru pre-magnets and that there was a some kind of distinction between a magnet made by using a PM to magnetize a material and the use of the electrical discharge of capacitors.  With him stating that only magnets made by discharging capacitors were "true" magnets.

Anyone who followed that thread should be able to answer the question presented.  Again, the question asked was:
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During the magnetization process of a pre-magnet with a magnetizer such as the one in the image you posted, how much current flows thru the pre-magnet and what is the voltage across the poles of the pre-magnet?

Are we ready?  The answer is, quite simply, zero, for both current and voltage.

Great lengths are taken in the design of the fixture to ensure that no current flows thru the pre-magnet.  Any appreciable current could cause the pre-core to weld to the magnetizer's poles, burn thru the plating of the pre-magnet, or produce excessive heating.  In fact, there must be no continuity between the pole pieces whatsoever, or an electrically conductive pre-core such as Fe, AlNiCo, plated neo, etc., placed across the poles of the magnetizer, would form a single turn secondary thru which very large currents would flow (welding the pre-magnet to the poles, etc).

The clue in the image was not the meters on the control heads, but was actually the rough surfaces of the pole pieces in the image with the horeshoe magnet across the pole pieces.  As no voltage is applied across the pole pieces of the magnetizer, and therefore no current, there is no need for a smooth, electrically conductive surface with which to contact the pre-magnet.  Consider what any appreciable current would do with the minimal contact points afforded by the rough surface of the pole pieces.  The sparks would fly!

In those previous postings of months ago, TA seemed to finally concede that the capacitors were not actually discharged directly thru the pre-magnet, but then stated that there was instead an induced voltage and current.  That too was fully discussed, and an Engineer at a magnetizer manufacturer was consulted to confirm that indeed, no appreciable currents are induced into or thru the pre-magnet.  In fact, the rise time of the magnetic field of the magnetizer must be controlled (slowed) to ensure eddy currents are kept to a minimum, as their magnetic fields are in opposition to the magnetizer's applied field which would reduce the peak field strength acheived in the pre-magnet.

And finally, as well with confirmation from that Engineer, it was stated that only the peak flux achieved thru the pre-magnet was important, and not the actual source of the applied magnetic field,  That is, there was no distinction between a magnet created with a PM or the electromagnet of a magnetizer, all were "true" magnets without distinction.

So with all that rather lengthy and tortured discussion of months ago, it seemed odd that TA would (again) state:

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    Now tell us how a capacitor bank is shunted thru a neodymium iron boron in the creation of a coherent polarized device (ie a "magnet")

And then object to anyone responding with "a capacitor bank is not shunted thru" a pre-magnet.

Happy New Year to All!

PW   

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #218 on: January 02, 2015, 08:40:40 AM »
it was stated that only the peak flux achieved thru the pre-magnet was important, and not the actual source of the applied magnetic field,  That is, there was no distinction between a magnet created with a PM or the electromagnet of a magnetizer, all were "true" magnets without distinction.


"peak flux" meaningless BS,  there is a non contact INDUCED CHARGE DUMPED thru the formed magnet-TO-be.


There is an ENORMOUS qualitative difference between PM made by an electromagnet and and one created from another magnet

You LYING FUCK
,.........while BOTH can achieve the same GAUSS rating, one is VERY VERY easy to reverse polarity on afterwards AND lose its gauss rating  (the one created with a PM),...... the other, NOT.



Polarized surface gauss readings DO NOT READ or REGISTER, or GIVE INFORMATION as to the inherent increased (or lack thereof) capacitance of the MAGNET BEING MEASURED IN GAUSS

idiot




And then object to anyone responding with "a capacitor bank is not shunted thru" a pre-magnet.

In fact, it is, non contact induction is DUMPED directly into the Pre-magnet

"DIRECTLY" has no bearing on CONTACT or NON CONTACT

Or stick your fucking head in a MICROWAVE and tell us how NON CONTACT feels.




Wireless power transfer is still in your "no fucking clue" part of your brain.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #218 on: January 02, 2015, 08:40:40 AM »
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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #219 on: January 02, 2015, 09:03:01 AM »
TA,

Don't be such a sore loser!  But I do have to admit, the question was not that difficult.

As for your response to my post, you are wrong about many things.  Here is a copy of the post I made several months ago regarding the responses I received from a design Engineer at a magnetizer manufacturer.

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In the previous post, you can see that TA refers to either passing electrical current directly thru the pre-magnet or doing the same using electromagnetic induction.  As passing the current directly thru the poles of a pre-magnet makes no sense on many grounds (and is indeed not actually done when using a magnetizer) we must assume he meant that the current was passed thru the pre-magnet via electromagnetic induction.

If this were the case, I proposed that the strength acheived in the pre-magnet would be rate dependent, that is, would follow Faraday's law and that a magnetizing field with a faster rise/fall time would create a stronger field in the pre-magnet (which I did not believe in reality to be the case).

As I also suggested I would, I have been in touch with an engineer at a magnetizer company and what follows are a few points regarding those discussions:

1. The currents that are induced into a pre-magnet by the magnetizer's changing field produce magnetic fields in opposition to the magnetizer's field. This is undesirable as it can limit the field strength achieved and produce unwanted heating.


2. Although the domains typically align within less than 10ns., the rate that the magnetizer's field is applied is typically slowed to reduce the effects of induced currents.


3. Modern magnetizers typically have selectable capacitor values and adjustable peak voltage values, which, in concert with magnetizer and jig inductance, allow the time parameters of the magnetizer's field to be tailored to reduce the effects of induced currents. As the magnetizer's field reaches its peak value, and briefly holds, all induced currents cease as they are rate dependent (i.e., the currents are only induced while the magnetizer's field strength is changing)


4. In a plated magnet, the induced currents are typically contained within, or greatest within, the plating and because their magnetic fields are in opposition to the magetizer's field, they can act to shield the interior of the pre-magnet and limit the depth of the domains within the pre-magnet that can be oriented (as above, the rate of change of the demagnetizer's field must be slowed to reduce this effect)


5. As it is currently understood, and with various methods having been used to provide evidence thereof, all permanent magnet alloys, and ferrous materials in general, upon cooling below their Curie temp, form domains of approx. 10,000 atoms or atom groups. Each domain assumes a particular magnetic alignment and each domain can be considered as being already magnetized as if it were itself a magnet. Therefore, all PM alloys, and ferrous materials in general, can be considered already magnetized upon cooling below their Curie temp. The catch being that the domains assume a random, lowest energy, alignment that produces a near zero net field strength overall. There are also what are referred to as "pinning forces" that keep the domains in their random low energy orientations.


6. Not all domains can be forced to orient in the direction desired. When all the domains that can be oriented, are oriented, the magnet is said to be saturated. The field strength required to reach saturation must be sufficient to overcome the pinning forces. Once oriented, the pinning forces again act to keep the domains in this new, higher energy state.


7. The source of the magnetic field used as the source of the magnetizer field is unimportant.  For a given applied field strength, that field strength is identical irregardless of whether it comes from an electromagnet or PM (although their are practical considerations regarding the use of a PM as its field cannot be turned off).


8. Other than the requirement that the magnetizing field peak value be applied for at least the minimum time required to orient the domains (typically<10ns), the rate at which the magnetizing field reaches that that peak value, or remains there, has no effect on the field achieved in the pre-magnet, accept as noted with regard to induced currents and the opposing fields they generate.


PW

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Offline MarkE

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #220 on: January 02, 2015, 09:41:40 AM »
Right on.  A hysteresis curve plots B vs. H.  A value of H is just a value of H.  It doesn't come in different colors, flavors, brightness, or other differentiating features.  It is just H.  Remnant B is a characteristic of the material magnetized and the history of H to which it has been subjected.  If someone believes that they can get a different result from magnetizing a material because of the H source, rather than the magnitude and time sequence of applied H, then I would sure like to see a demonstration of such a claim.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #221 on: January 02, 2015, 10:24:34 AM »
Don't be such a sore loser


sophistry and strawman fallacy,   didnt lose anything, other than the last possible point of respect for yourself



You really are on par with Tinfoil hat and  Highformiles.



Explain wireless particle energy transfer again,.....


20th time Ive asked,   still no answer



Dont be a sore loser.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #222 on: January 02, 2015, 12:12:20 PM »
Quote from theoria-apohasis:'FREE energy is almost everywhere,...........PERPETUAL energy and OVERUNITY are nowhere to be found.   ;D'

End quote

Don't make me angry now ken.kelvins statement vehemently prohibits your ball from heating up above ambient spontaneously.this is over-fucking-unity,if it works as advertised.case closed

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #223 on: January 02, 2015, 02:12:48 PM »



   TA,
        one thing that is a complete mystery is dark matter / energy, scientists really
seem to be clueless on this subject.
     How does this fit in with your ideas?
                      John.

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Re: ZERO INPUT, 10 degrees thermal output...Yes,...genuine free energy
« Reply #224 on: January 02, 2015, 02:14:26 PM »
Quote from theoria-apohasis:'FREE energy is almost everywhere,...........PERPETUAL energy and OVERUNITY are nowhere to be found.   ;D'

End quote

Don't make me angry now ken.kelvins statement vehemently prohibits your ball from heating up above ambient spontaneously.this is over-fucking-unity,if it works as advertised.case closed




Nope,  OVERUNITY is   J > inertia


which is impossible.     


resultant joule J > inertia  ........impossible.





likewise there is NO ENERGY in matter, only its kinetic potential as a SYSTEM in whole or in part


Tesla said this many many many times




All bits in an atomic bomb are STILL PRESENT after the explosion, only a release of much kinetic energy is released, NO MATTER is converted to energy.


If you could release the energy from a trillion trillion tiny tightly wound watches at the same time ....BOOOOOM, ......all pieces are still present afterwards.


matter is not energy, only the kinetic system has said potential.

 

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